Kitsuchi and Mangetsu S-rank

[ShaneEyyy]

Why do people think Kitsuchi and Mangetsu r S-rank ninja? I see it a lot and honestly that's ridiculous.

Kitsuchi has 1 OP attack that takes some time to perform. He is just a great Doton user who can change terrain well. I wouldn't put him S-rank, it's not like he can beat Akatsuki. I don't even think he can beat Hidan. He is high jounin like Darui, Zabuza, Part 1 Kakashi and Guy, etc.

Mangetsu has Silent Killing, Hydrification, and Hiramekarei, how is that S-rank? He can't even perform Hidden Mist Jutsu so his Silent Killing isn't really effective. He loses to at least 20% of ninja who run into him because of Raton. He is high jounin at best

Agreed?

 

[HiddenSound]

Mangetsu I can see just barely being S rank.
Kitsuchi, not so much.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

Mangetsu can weild all seven swords and including samehada.He is definitely S Class.Just bcause we know he can weild samehada we know his chakra is large.From that we know he probably has some op jutsu seeing as everyone with large chakra in the series has at least one op jutsu.Just because we only seen a less then a hand full of jutsu doesn't mean Mangetsu only has a few.it just means he's not important enough to the story to commit that much manga scan time to himself.Image Mangetsu with Samehada and then tell me if he's S Class or not

 

[grizzlyshree]

Mnagetsu is Kisame league IMO.

 

[RNITBmsage]

samehada is terrifying

 

[johnny335704]

I guess they are not S-Rank Ninjas. but they are high level jounins definitely.

 

[Klaroline]

Mangetsu solos Zabuza no difficulty. He is clearly an S rank considering he can wield all 7 of the seven swordsmen swords. And you are implying he doesn't know Hidden Mist Jutsu it was never stated in the manga.

Water gun technique > Zabuza's silent killing

 

[Neonian]

I don't think they are.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Mangetsu can weild all seven swords and including samehada.He is definitely S Class.Just bcause we know he can weild samehada we know his chakra is large.From that we know he probably has some op jutsu seeing as everyone with large chakra in the series has at least one op jutsu.Just because we only seen a less then a hand full of jutsu doesn't mean Mangetsu only has a few.it just means he's not important enough to the story to commit that much manga scan time to himself.Image Mangetsu with Samehada and then tell me if he's S Class or not

He can wield all Seven Swords, NOT AT THE SAME TIME! He wielded the Hiramekarei..... if he had an OP Jutsu he wold have used it when he was reanimated. Each ninja reanimated used their strongest technique, that says something.

I don't need to imagine Mangetsu with Samehada because he used the Hiramekarei.

samehada is terrifying

He wielded the hiramekarei, sorry

Mangetsu solos Zabuza no difficulty. He is clearly an S rank considering he can wield all 7 of the seven swordsmen swords. And you are implying he doesn't know Hidden Mist Jutsu it was never stated in the manga.


Water gun technique > Zabuza's silent killing

Where on this thread does it say Mangetsu vs Zabuza? Please tell me or else you are insanely retarded and u need help. You are imagining things.

Kabuto tried to keep Zabuza from getting sealed to keep hos Hidden Mist going, when he was sealed his mist dispersed and NONE of the swordsmen put it back up. They would have if they could.

Hahahahahahahaha, water gun better than silent killing????u really are dumb.

 

[Meowazziel]

Why do people think Kitsuchi and Mangetsu r S-rank ninja? I see it a lot and honestly that's ridiculous.

Kitsuchi has 1 OP attack that takes some time to perform. He is just a great Doton user who can change terrain well. I wouldn't put him S-rank, it's not like he can beat Akatsuki. I don't even think he can beat Hidan. He is high jounin like Darui, Zabuza, Part 1 Kakashi and Guy, etc.

Mangetsu has Silent Killing, Hydrification, and Hiramekarei, how is that S-rank? He can't even perform Hidden Mist Jutsu so his Silent Killing isn't really effective. He loses to at least 20% of ninja who run into him because of Raton. He is high jounin at best

Agreed?

Mangetsu is pretty boss, he can probably use hidden mist jutsu too (he can use all the other swords too btw). It doesnt seem a difficult jutsu and he is the most talented one of the seven swordsmen. Silent killing and the Houzuki clan jutsus on top.
He can use Samehada, So he could be around Kisame's lvl.
He could be Srank.

Kitsuchi doesnt seem to have many special jutsus.
Rockfist(?) taijutsu and large scale doton.

His daughter Kurotsuchi looks stronger.

 

[Fodder#4]

I love this place, say what you will about The Base. But it has some of the most colorful people and such diverse opinions 'round.

OT: Mangetsu could be S-rank, I do not see Kitsuchi being anything but A-rank though.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Mangetsu is pretty boss, he can probably use hidden mist jutsu too (he can use all the other swords too btw). It doesnt seem a difficult jutsu and he is the most talented one of the seven swordsmen. Silent killing and the Houzuki clan jutsus on top.
He can use Samehada, So he could be around Kisame's lvl.
He could be Srank.

Kitsuchi doesnt seem to have many special jutsus.
Rockfist(?) taijutsu and large scale doton.

His daughter Kurotsuchi looks stronger.

How is he the most talented one? We don't even know if all the swordsmen even attempted to try to master all of them. Also just because Mangetsu was able to use Samehada doesn't make him S-rank. To use Samehada all u need is a large amount of chakra. Just because he has a large reserve of chakra doesn't make him S-rank, that's just one area.

Kabuto tried to keep Zabuza from getting sealed for the Hidden Mist Jutsu would keep going. When Zabuza was sealed, the mist stopped. Not one swordsmen put the mist back up, which they would have to keep Silent Killing going but they didn't because they couldn't. I too would think he could use it but after these facts, the chances are low.

All we know if for sure is that he knows Silent Killing (not even close to Zabuza's and not that effective because he doesn't have mist), Hydrification technique, wielded Hiramekarei with great skill, and had large chakra. Nothing is OP here that puts him at Kage Level/S-rank. S-rank is like the Akatsuki. Mangetsu, even Zabuza just don't belong in that tier. They r high jounin.

I love this place, say what you will about The Base. But it has some of the most colorful people and such diverse opinions 'round.

OT: Mangetsu could be S-rank, I do not see Kitsuchi being anything but A-rank though.

I like the Base but there's just a lot of people who don't think logical. Everybody has their opinions but there's some users that say like "Darui could beat Zabuza because he is the right hand man of the Raikage) which isn't a logical argument.

I agree with Kitsuchi being A-rank, but I'm telling u Mangetsu is A-rank aswell

 

[Meowazziel]

How is he the most talented one? We don't even know if all the swordsmen even attempted to try to master all of them. Also just because Mangetsu was able to use Samehada doesn't make him S-rank. To use Samehada all u need is a large amount of chakra. Just because he has a large reserve of chakra doesn't make him S-rank, that's just one area.

Kabuto tried to keep Zabuza from getting sealed for the Hidden Mist Jutsu would keep going. When Zabuza was sealed, the mist stopped. Not one swordsmen put the mist back up, which they would have to keep Silent Killing going but they didn't because they couldn't. I too would think he could use it but after these facts, the chances are low.

All we know if for sure is that he knows Silent Killing (not even close to Zabuza's and not that effective because he doesn't have mist), Hydrification technique, wielded Hiramekarei with great skill, and had large chakra. Nothing is OP here that puts him at Kage Level/S-rank. S-rank is like the Akatsuki. Mangetsu, even Zabuza just don't belong in that tier. They r high jounin.

Good point about the mist jutsu.
I cant remember the exact pages, but ill believe you on your words.
Chances others can use the mist jutsu, would indeed be low.

If you can wield every single swordsmen sword, as the only one of the seven, than you are pretty talented.
Kishi doesnt mention it for nothing. If he was the only one who tried it and none of the others tried it, than it would
be pointless information to tell the readers. It is mentioned that he can wield all the seven swordsmen swords, because
it is a great feat. Dont you think so?

If you have the Hozuki water jutsus (which are pretty great to survive attacks, with lightning as a weakness though and are pretty great for offense too and hiding), large amounts of chakra and Mangetsu being able to use all the swords, than you already have a pretty formidable opponent.
What does Kisame have, that is better than Mangetsu? Kisame is Srank, why not Mangetsu?
Mangetsu also had the scroll with all the swords.
Seems like some sort of seven swordsmen leader to me. Something Suigetsu wants to be as well.
If Mangetsu was relatively weak compared to the other swordsmen, than he wouldnt be the leader type I think.

 

[ShaneEyyy]

Good point about the mist jutsu.
I cant remember the exact pages, but ill believe you on your words.
Chances others can use the mist jutsu, would indeed be low.

If you can wield every single swordsmen sword, as the only one of the seven, than you are pretty talented.
Kishi doesnt mention it for nothing. If he was the only one who tried it and none of the others tried it, than it would
be pointless information to tell the readers. It is mentioned that he can wield all the seven swordsmen swords, because
it is a great feat. Dont you think so?

If you have the Hozuki water jutsus (which are pretty great to survive attacks, with lightning as a weakness though and are pretty great for offense too and hiding), large amounts of chakra and Mangetsu being able to use all the swords, than you already have a pretty formidable opponent.
What does Kisame have, that is better than Mangetsu? Kisame is Srank, why not Mangetsu?
Mangetsu also had the scroll with all the swords.
Seems like some sort of seven swordsmen leader to me. Something Suigetsu wants to be as well.
If Mangetsu was relatively weak compared to the other swordsmen, than he wouldnt be the leader type I think.

What if the other swordsmen mastered 6 of the sword and not Samehada because they don't have the chakra for it? We don't know this, but I do agree it is a great feat but it isnt enough to just put him above all the other swordsmen.

Like, Mangetsu is the best with Kenjutsu, but Zabuza is the best BY FAR with Silent Killing. Mangetsu had Hydrification, Zabuza has great Suiton and Mist to support his Silent Killing. They r about even in my eyes, both being very high A+ jounin


It's always a possibility though that he could be S-rank, we havent seen all of his abiliities but even if we did give him the hydrification techniques shown, it's still not enough. Suigetsu isn't S-rank right? All Mangetsu has above Suigetsu is better Kenjutsu, that's it.

Kisame has greater chakra and strength than Mangetsu. He has way larger Suiton and weilds Samehada. He is stronger

 

[Stark]

Mangetsu is S Rank, Kitsuchi is High Jounin.