Kishi's Inconsitencies - The Otsutsuki Retcon Story

[Darth AniCetuS]

It was really lame that Kaguya was written off like that. It should've ended with Madara and have Kaguya be a movie or the next series.

She really was held back. We never see her tenseigan (this existed at this point as he revealed that he was working on the last movie) nor she used some Senju tree summons. we kind have seen the "chakra mode" with the "gentle fists" but that's really far fetched.

also, the staff. I mean Hagoromo and Hamura had em, we never got to see its powers. Only Obito showcased them but that was short lived. What would've happened if Naruto stabbed her with the soul sword? We could've seen her story that way and what she was preparing all the Zetsus for.

Well the entire war arc was rushed. There were a lot of things Kishi could've developed and delved deeper into but it is what it is now.

 

[wanderingcactus]

I think what you said is true.
however, i believe that it should not have gone this direction after the pain arc.

more evil organizations n shit, more samurai and more monks and stuff.
idk, they could have built up to another organization like the akatsuki.

yeah i didn't really know why it took that route but I guess Kishi wanted to make Kurama be nice and he is the ultimate evil (atm) so he needed someone much more powerful than Kurama? or was he just competing with DBZ? There are so many things that Akatsuki could've done. I did like the idea of using the Tailed Beasts to wreck havoc. Although I strictly wanted to be just a mercenary organization not terrorists. They do whatever they are hired to do.

Though I agree on your Uzumaki-Hamura relation.....I believe thier was no retcon.....whatsoever....but tbh..I've been waiting to post a theory but I couldnt find an explanation for one loophole....but your thread cleared that doubt of mine.....and about the parallelism...using manga colours is best....anime changes colours of hair, dress...etc..

It's hard to find pictures.. at least for me

 

[wanderingcactus]

Well the entire war arc was rushed. There were a lot of things Kishi could've developed and delved deeper into but it is what it is now.

Well at least Naruto series will always be great in my fanfics. He created so much but developed only a few. SP do not do justice on fillers to develop the other stories that Kishi may never touch up or very rarely touch up.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

There’s a lot of things that were said and I didn’t read it in the manga. A few things stood out to me the most but the manga/DB made it clear that...
Yin≠Rinnegan, Yin=Sharingan
AND
Naruto’s life energy cloak is not uzamaki clan thing it’s a Ashura thing. In part 1 they revealed that Hashirama’s life source was put into his wood style. His chakra manifestation is the wood style while naruto’s life force was put into the kyubi’s chakra making it go from red to fiery yellow.

 

[wanderingcactus]

There’s a lot of things that were said and I didn’t read it in the manga. A few things stood out to me the most but the manga/DB made it clear that...
Yin≠Rinnegan, Yin=Sharingan
AND
Naruto’s life energy cloak is not uzamaki clan thing it’s a Ashura thing. In part 1 they revealed that Hashirama’s life source was put into his wood style. His chakra manifestation is the wood style while naruto’s life force was put into the kyubi’s chakra making it go from red to fiery yellow.

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TL/DR

Had Kishi planned ahead and created Kaguya, Hagoromo, and Hamura beforehand, rather than along the way, we would have gotten something like this:

Hagoromo - Senju (Sage Mode) Uchiha (Sharingan)
Hamura - Uzumaki (Chakra Mode) Hyuuga (Byakugan)

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Everything was derived from Naruto. The One was not Kaguya but rather Rikoudou Sennin (Hagoromo did not exist yet nor the entire Ostustuki). According to J-Man, Naruto is the next RS. That is why Hagoromo's design was based on Naruto as RS was based on Naruto.

Rinnegan was Yin-Yang pre Kaguya and Hamura reveal.
When they were revealed and The Last movie was revealed, it changed.

Rinnegan was now the ORIGINAL Yin and tenseigan the Yang.

Kaguya (Gen 0) - Rinnesharingan
Hagoromo (Gen 1 Yin) - Rinnegan
Indra (Gen 2 Yin) - Mangyeku Sharingan (Eternal)

As for Ashura, I've said that Hagoromo and Ashura were retconned. Naruto was supposed to be Rikoudou Sennin (before there ever was a Hagoromo, let alone Kaguya and Hamura) and that's how his design turned out to be red haired and closely resembled Naruto.

Then Kishi decided that Sasuke be included so the entire thing changed and he introduced Indra and Ashura (this one is closer to what he had in mind)

Indra being the older, the same with Sasuke being older than Naruto. Indra was designed as Sasuke so he had Susanoo (parallels)
Ashura being the younger, same with Naruto being younger than Sasuke. Ashura was designed as Naruto so Chakra Avatar (parallels, at least he didn't have yellow hair or red hair this time)

Toneri on the other hand was the whole evidence of the retcon.

Toneri is on Hamura's branch side of the family.
He has everything that Naruto has thus far (parallel of Naruto)
He has the tenseigan which was the parallel of tenseigan

The reason why I related it as an Uzumaki thing is due to their chakra chain which is similar to Kinshiki's and the chakra cloak (Hence their mentions and pictures)

Furthermore, Kurama started having chakra cloak after Minato uses the Reaper Death Seal - an Uzumaki Clan specialty, which is why I mentioned fuinjutsu as that is why they feared the Uzumaki Clan to the point several villages collaborated in their demise.

Senjus mostly dabbled in Sage Mode rather than Chakra Mode. This is why I related Hashirama and Tsunade
The marking on their forehead for their ultimate technique also resembled Hagoromo's (no it is not rinnegan as it was already there when they, Hagoromo and Hamura, were fighting Kaguya. so pre juubi-jin Hagoromo)

Ashura was the only person who has ever exhibited the chakra cloak (again it was just to parallel him to Naruto). This is also due to the fact that Hamura did not exist yet.

 

[kiiro]

What?

I think that Kishi mess everything in the war about concepts and other things.