Kishimoto trolled narusaku like a boss: new part from official interview

[Dockinabix]

Story rules are similar for even poetry constructs, if for example, we are talking about an epic convention here. Consistency, good pacing decent characterization ... all go hand in hand. I will point out any Mangaka who does it. This would be the first long manga I have ended, so my criticism is harsh as well.

In seinen a big yes. Seinen are mostly better written stories than the average shonen. Because the editors cares a lot more of the story telling, one of the reasons is the fact that their target are adults and young adults, who are way more sharp for seeing story flaws.

In shonen, rules are nearly absolutes. A very few one could free themself from some of them. When I saw an editor in combat shonen who almost did'nt gave a sh** about story, only focusing if the characters are badass and the plates good. It's sad as hell, and it could explains why a lot of recent shonen series are disapointing scenaristicly speaking.

Naruto is a tricky one since the series changed a lot in part 2, loosing a big part of his identity for fanservice issue. That's why I says that this series is a waste. He fell under the dark side of fanservice.

Don't slight the hold an audience or reader has over the manga these days.

I do it usally, but when personnal thinking is spreading under the flag of "true" point, it's hard to stay silent.
The personnal opinion should stay as a personnal opinion, not be shown like the universal truth.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

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Yes it did happen!

Please read my post above this one however, because it truly does speak the truth on regards to fans.

Nothing in this shows me what you said up there was correct. He did not mention anywhere that he was planning NS up to the Pein arc.

The evidence you gave me:

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The words you claimed were in this interview:

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I agree with you on this one. Now I am not sure about this one, but I did recall reading about an interview from Kishi that said a different story. In the interview he said that he was planning on NS up until the Pain Arc, but with Hinata's sacrifice during the Pain Arc, he decided to go with NaruHina from then on.

Ok, in all seriousness! This is getting out of control! NH clearly won, yet they are attacking NS fans till they bleed to death. Can people just give the pairings a rest already? This thread clearly was made to ignite a flame war for sure. Good lord, it has been almost a month since the manga ended and the pairing fandoms are still at each others throats?

This is literally getting worse than the flame wars that World of Warcraft has with the Alliance and the Horde Fandoms, Star Trek Fans when it comes to who's the better captain, Kerk or Picard or even worse Star Wars fans when it comes to so Yoda vs Darth Vadar. These Naruto Pairing Wars and threads that people are making about the pairings are truly getting to that level. And that is pretty damn scary.. O.O

Now as for this part. Were you here when NaruSaku were petitioning for a ban on the Naruto manga in the USA cause of the ending? Were you here when NaruSaku were threatening Kishimotto's staff on there twitter accounts? Were you here when NaruSaku fans were making excuses about Kishi not having NaruHina planned for a while? Basically what is said in here is the backlash of what those fans put them selves into. Stop defending something you clearly don't know about. You said it yourself your not a NaruSaku fan didn't you? Than why do you care about what we say about them?

 

[shelke]

In seinen a big yes. Seinen are mostly better written stories than the average shonen. Because the editors cares a lot more of the story telling, one of the reasons is the fact that their target are adults and young adults, who are way more sharp for seeing story flaws.

In shonen, rules are nearly absolutes. A very few one could free themself from some of them. When I saw an editor in combat shonen who almost did'nt gave a sh** about story, only focusing if the characters are badass and the plates good. It's sad as hell, and it could explains why a lot of recent shonen series are disapointing scenaristicly speaking.

Naruto is a tricky one since the series changed a lot in part 2, loosing a big part of his identity for fanservice issue. That's why I says that this series is a waste. He fell under the dark side of fanservice.

I do it usally, but when personnal thinking is spreading under the flag of "true" point, it's hard to stay silent.
The personnal opinion should stay as a personnal opinion, not be shown like the universal truth.

This is hardly personal thinking, but a matter of fact kind of statement. Fanservice is rampant in all forms of media. If you deny it, then I think you have been living under a rock.

 

[paratise]

Kind of. I couldn't bring myself to complete most books. I did read all of Eclipse. It was a decent book. The New Born Army and the entire tussle between the Cullen house and Victoria wasn't that badly handled. Bella and their romance was kept to a bare minimum and I liked the character pasts. It added depth to the book, completely missing in the previous two.

The first part was ... just bad. The second was somewhat decent, but Bella throwing herself into dangerous situations in hopes that Edward would come back, and the latter being all emotional that 'I must keep her away ... I love her ...' garbage got old too fast.

Breaking Dawn? I don't think it had Pedophilia. If you are talking about Renesmee - however you pronounce it - then despite the whole imprinting thing being nonsensical, Jacob didn't exactly have any sexual interest towards her at that time. It would have been disgusting. The Army Gathering to battle the Voltori was pretty good, actually. But ... when the time came to actually fight, nothing happened. The last book just blew it for me.

Why you are a proponent of '*** before marriage'? I don't think there is anything wrong with sending in messages of celibacy. Only god knows this world needs it.

I somewhat agree with first 2 paragraphs, even 3rd one barring whole pedophila thing. Even it was not sexual there was something romantic and there would not be "growing too fast" for the vampire/human kids to softening the image of an impirinted person. Idk maybe i am closed minded but it can not settle with me.

I don't there is anything wrong with intercorse before or after marrige, different strokes for different folks. That's why i don't see why they would be preached one or another way. That's her belief but when i look at the series i see a self insertation based simple romance and some propoganda by taking advantage of popularity. Maybe not even that worthy of attention.

Then again romance is not my type of genre so maybe my opinions are nigh irrelevant compared to people who actually read and like the said genre a lot more.

 

[shelke]

I somewhat agree with first 2 paragraphs, even 3rd one barring whole pedophila thing. Even it was not sexual there was something romantic and there would not be "growing too fast" for the vampire/human kids to softening the image of an impirinted person. Idk maybe i am closed minded but it can not settle with me.

I don't there is anything wrong with intercorse before or after marrige, different strokes for different folks. That's why i don't see why they would be preached one or another way. That's her belief but when i look at the series i see a self insertation based simple romance and some propoganda by taking advantage of popularity. Maybe not even that worthy of attention.

Then again romance is not my type of genre so maybe my opinions are nigh irrelevant compared to people who actually read and like the said genre a lot more.

Could be taken as such. But I just found the imprinting thing devoid of any sense. To this day, it doesn't make any sense to me. It was stupid and it was hogwash. But it's not like she bothered herself to actually study the werewolf legends in those areas. So I am not even surprised at her laughable ignorance.

There is no such thing as the death of the author. The work always reflects the author one way or another. Poe used his own feelings of death within his poetry, and Keats battled with his impending death and acceptance in the Odes. That isn't something to chide the author on. But as I said, with books like Fifty Shades of Grey becoming so popular, I cannot see why an author was wrong to even preach this, given teen pregnancies, cases of infanticide, STDs, children ending up in Foster homes or being trapped in such systems etc. If girls deify her, then there is a greater chance they might absorb something positive from the book.

You should read Keats, Morte D'arthur by Malory, Poe's poetry or even short stories, albeit that is macabre and its romantic notion, Wuthering Heights by Bronte, Wordsworth, S. T Coleridge. There is a lot more to romance than you think. You should also try Ovid's poetry if frantic lust handled romantically is your thing. I loved it.

 

[Dockinabix]

This is hardly personal thinking, but a matter of fact kind of statement. Fanservice is rampant in all forms of media. If you deny it, then I think you have been living under a rock.

Oh but I read lot of series with shitload of fanservice, I don't deny the fanservice, it's everywere, i know that ^^
The point is to me and thats my personnal point about that: Fanservice should stay outside the central thread of the story or go with the core, the identity of the series.

For exemple Kenichi is full of fanservice ( mostly in the ecchi) but it stays 9/10 times outside the main course, and more over it's at least a little controlled. In naruto, the fanservice ( here the power growing) went completly out of hand. Going to ninja fights to monster warfare.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Oh but I read lot of series with shitload of fanservice, I don't deny the fanservice, it's everywere, i know that ^^
The point is to me and thats my personnal point about that: Fanservice should stay outside the central thread of the story or go with the core, the identity of the series.

For exemple Kenichi is full of fanservice ( mostly in the ecchi) but it stays 9/10 times outside the main course, and more over it's at least a little controlled. In naruto, the fanservice ( here the power growing) went completly out of hand. Going to ninja fights to monster warfare.

The whole manga is fanservice. Lol

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

Jesus f**king Christ, why in the flying f**k did I go through the entire thread page by page?

There's a Godzilla figurine behind Kishimoto in one of those images........

 

[V h o]

Can we request a sticky for this Lol

 

[iSkyx]

Hahaha Nice NS wouldve been such an asspull lol o.o

Hate That pairing it makes me want to puke xD

 

[ninjarasengan]

Nothing in this shows me what you said up there was correct. He did not mention anywhere that he was planning NS up to the Pein arc.

The evidence you gave me:

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The words you claimed were in this interview:






Now as for this part. Were you here when NaruSaku were petitioning for a ban on the Naruto manga in the USA cause of the ending? Were you here when NaruSaku were threatening Kishimotto's staff on there twitter accounts? Were you here when NaruSaku fans were making excuses about Kishi not having NaruHina planned for a while? Basically what is said in here is the backlash of what those fans put them selves into. Stop defending something you clearly don't know about. You said it yourself your not a NaruSaku fan didn't you? Than why do you care about what we say about them?

This is exactly why all these Kishimoto's interviews don't seem legit...

 

[Dannie]

So, what I'm getting from all this is that, Kishimoto just deliberately trolled the NS fans this whole time, while at the same time didn't even properly develop the end pairing that is NH and had to come up with a movie to save his ass?

lol okay..

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

They have a new petition though:

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[1Told]

They have a new petition though:

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here we go again...

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[ninjarasengan]

The question is...are NaruSaku fans really the ones making these petitions? If yes, how is this proven?

 

[Alice in Noodleland]

They have a new petition though:

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Lol. The next movie might contain the lovestory of SS , another slap to NS fandom.

 

[akabara the vampire king]

LOL Kishi pulled the biggest jutsu ever: The NaruSaku Genten Tsukiyomi,and he did so for 15 years trolling dem fools=D=D=D

Now u have it folks,no.Madara,Sasuke,Hashi,Hago,Naruto,Lord Itachi nor that TrollGod TOBIDARA is the Greatest Shinobi of 'em all it's the one n only Lord Kishi,truly a master in the art of deceipt,been trollin dem since day 1 XD XD XD

 

[Punk Hazard]

Really though, this is just sad, does Kishi even know that some fans take pairings very seriously? And it's not like that was the first time in history when a fan backlash like that happened.

Kishi is sad for doing what he wants with his drawings? People are sad for taking these drawings so seriously.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Kishi is sad for doing what he wants with his drawings? People are sad for taking these drawings so seriously.

True...even though i fell for his red-herring this time...i personally thought Kishi had skill for being able to pull it off.

 

[Honord Sage]

In the end Kishi gave in the movie Hamura power to Hinata making Her the most powerful Kunoshi in the Manga ahead of Sakura and other Females. That is the Ultimate insult to NaruSaku along with Her engagement and marriage to Naruto. NaruSaku got not just trolled but shamed into outer defeat.