Kishimoto completly failed this arc.

[Shadow Phantasm]

yet the heroes are revived 2-3 issues later as soon as new event begins

Yet the villains aren't changed because of some goddamn speech,I can atleast respect the comics for portraying their villains as mass murdering monsters despite the fact some had tragic backgrounds.

 

[KingHashirama]

The fact that he just stood there with his mouth open when Obito was mocking him?Minato was portrayed as someone who kept his composure and had a machine like ruthlessness yet he allowed Obito to get inside his head,even Tobirama commented on him being dense when he came up with a overly long name for his jutsu.

Because we only saw Minato in an flashback. Tobirama calls Hashirama an idiot.. does that make him an idiot , or does that mean hes portrayed as an idiot? no..

Kishimoto added more depth into Minato. Minato was facing his own student...

 

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Yet the villains aren't changed because of some goddamn speech,I can atleast respect the comics for portraying their villains as mass murdering monsters despite the fact some had tragic backgrounds.

so if you have a problem with the speech changing villians why did you even continue pass the land of waves arc? seriously if a guy that butchered his entire class when he was nine changed by a speech why did you even continue?

 

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People like you were complaining, I was relieved that FINALLY the main characters experienced a taste of the horror's of war.

so they didnt experience they agony of war when countless family members and friends died beside them they only knew the horror's of war when one person died.:|

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

so if you have a problem with the speech changing villians why did you even continue pass the land of waves arc? seriously if a guy that butchered his entire class when he was nine changed by a speech why did you even continue?

Because I like the series?Despite the TNJ bullsh*t Naruto is still enjoyable to me but that does'nt mean I'm not gonna complain about stupid plot twists.

 

[b7718]

Do you guys seriously not understand our grievances?

 

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Do you guys seriously not understand our grievances?

I willing to bet that you believe your "winning" this discussion.

your grievances is petty

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Do you guys seriously not understand our grievances?

I willing to bet that you believe your "winning" this discussion.

I bet they just wave off any complaints with the 'Don't like it,don't read it" line.Other forums I've been to people have used that line or some variation of it to dismiss legit complaints.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

your grievances is petty

And who is the judge of that?

 

[b7718]

I bet they just wave off any complaints with the 'Don't like it,don't read it" line.Other forums I've been to people have used that line or some variation of it to dismiss legit complaints.

I concur.

It was a pleasure talking with you, good luck with your writing, I have some pizza bagels to tend to.

 

[b7718]

Good luck trying to explain the light to those that live in the dark.

 

[KingHashirama]

I bet they just wave off any complaints with the 'Don't like it,don't read it" line.Other forums I've been to people have used that line or some variation of it to dismiss legit complaints.

your expectation don't = legit complaints.

 

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And who is the judge of that?

so a author should kill off main characters which he probably has plans for in the future just for a certain type of fan service?

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I concur.

It was a pleasure talking with you, good luck with your writing, I have some pizza bagels to tend to.

Thanks,I about to wrap my story in five chapters or so and afterwards work on another that I've been doing as a side project.=D

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

so a author should kill off main characters which he probably has plans for in the future just for a certain type of fan service?

No,but if the story places that character in certain death then the writer should'nt magically bring them back as good as new.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

your expectation don't = legit complaints.

Sure,but you can't dismiss the fact that people have legit complaints about this arc by saying their expections are too high either.

 

[Cosman]

Yea and they killed over 40k shinobi... so... yea.

Disappointment and being mad and *****ing about it are 2 different things =]. I said if you don't like it, no point reading it. This isn't wwe where they try to see what the fans want.. this is someone writing his story, that he already has and putting it on display.

Preceptions of characters are tainted by the people themselves, not kishi.

Pretty weak argument in all honesty. Kishimoto obviously wants an audience and feedback or he wouldn't have signed up for a large magazine like shonen jump. Unless we're talking pure greed, satisfying your audience is something every writer ought to do.

Your defences for Kishi are nothing more than straw-man fallacies.

And I've said it before and I will say it again, the "if you don't like it, don't read it" response is the worst argument one can give. It fully ignores the subject and leaves an arbitrary "well there" answer.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Pretty weak argument in all honesty. Kishimoto obviously wants an audience and feedback or he wouldn't have signed up for a large magazine like shonen jump. Unless we're talking pure greed, satisfying your audience is something every writer ought to do.

Your defences for Kishi are nothing more than straw-man fallacies.

Not to mention if Kaze got his wish then nobody would be reading the manga or buying Naruto merchandise.

 

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No,but if the story places that character in certain death then the writer should'nt magically bring them back as good as new.

besides tsunade none of the gokages deaths were certain they were beaten up pretty badly but thier deaths werent certain.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

besides tsunade none of the gokages deaths were certain they were beaten up pretty badly but thier deaths werent certain.

There were black rods sticking out of Gaara and Ay,Mei was literally laying in a pool of her own blood.Not to mention of the rods were sticking out of Gaara's back which should have killed him given the ammount of time it took Tsunade to summon Katsuyu and heal them all.