Kishimoto and "Canon" stuff

[kaka96]

And that is manga and the anime are different. Same is in the Dbz.. lol.

Storyline is his.. Good but there are other who can edit it. When you say NARUTO , the anime and the Manga are taken into account. Like the 4th ninja war start.. they had extra talking scenes between the shinobis. Which was better. If the anime ran solely on the manga.. then good luck making it a franchise.


Anime is based from the Manga but it is not duplicate of it. That is the point of the thread. That the anime is also canon. Because it createst by the creators of NARUTO.. And kishimoto does help with the anime.

You just ended your point right there

They are not the same thing , hence they are not the both original, so the anime is not the truth

As soon as you edit something it's not the reality as you made it the way you wanted it to be , not the way it actually was

It's the same principle as the Arabic telephone game. You start from the creator's point, but you don't necessarily end up with the right thing

Some things in the anime will happen to be true in manga as well but when debating in things such as VS threads, we can only use information that have been confirmed by the manga because to many times the manga has shown that the anime was wrong

If you don't have the capacities to understand something so basic, than there is no point of even arguing with you. Won't give your thread attention it doesn't deserve

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

this is so retarded, who are you deciding what canon or non canon ?
there is already ruled this matters, manga is the only canon material that's all there is to it

 

[KingHashirama]

You just ended your point right there

They are not the same thing , hence they are not the both original, so the anime is not the truth

As soon as you edit something it's not the reality as you made it the way you wanted it to be , not the way it actually was

It's the same principle as the Arabic telephone game. You start from the creator's point, but you don't necessarily end up with the right thing

Some things in the anime will happen to be true in manga as well but when debating in things such as VS threads, we can only use information that have been confirmed by the manga because to many times the manga has shown that the anime was wrong

If you don't have the capacities to understand something so basic, than there is no point of even arguing with you

"Anime is not the truth".. BUT THIS SITE IS BASED ON THE NARUTO FRANCHISE.

Actually the manga can't show anime is wrong.. Anime comes after the manga..


But apparently your not understanding something. That the Anime AND the manga are both part of the Franchise called NARUTO. the manga cannot cover everything. We wouldn't even know about Ukataka's abilities were it not for the anime showing him.

Your arguement is basically this example : "ONLY SUPERMAN COMICS COUNT TO JUDGE SUPERMAN" but in reality its everything made by Dc comics on Superman that counts O_x.

 

[KingHashirama]

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lmaooo. Shit man. I needed a example. Plus watching J.L.

 

[FizzyDrink]

The problem with your logic is that anything under the name of "Naruto" is canon to you. That includes video games. Nobody will agree that video games are canon.

The CREATOR of Naruto is Kishimoto. The original storyline is in the manga. The parts of the anime that follow the manga are canon. Anything however that veers from the original (which is the manga) is not canon.

And example is, say, films based off of true stories. The films in MANY cases are dramatizes the story to make it more appealing to the audience. But does that mean that those added dramatic scenes actually happened? Does it mean that they're true? No. Only the original is the truth, and the original Naruto is the manga.

/thread

 

[Chatte]

Do you think that the ones who do the anime don't consult Kishimoto in everything they do? Of course they do otherwise they would go into the infringement situation.
So, yeah, imo the anime can be taken as cannon.

 

[KingHashirama]

The problem with your logic is that anything under the name of "Naruto" is canon to you. That includes video games. Nobody will agree that video games are canon.

The CREATOR of Naruto is Kishimoto. The original storyline is in the manga. The parts of the anime that follow the manga are canon. Anything however that veers from the original (which is the manga) is not canon.

And example is, say, films based off of true stories. The films in MANY cases are dramatizes the story to make it more appealing to the audience. But does that mean that those added dramatic scenes actually happened? Does it mean that they're true? No. Only the original is the truth, and the original Naruto is the manga.

/thread

i hope you do understand the meaning of the word "Creator".. And no part of the anime is sync with the Manga. most of the words are changed and etc. The movements are also non-canon (in your thinking) also..


And again Manga and Anime are 2 seperate things.. Anime might be based on the Manga but it does not go parallel with it. O_x.

Anything that is created by the creators of NARUTO.. (Key word "creators") is Canon. The anime has kishimoto's full permission.

Kishimoto is not the sole creator. He probably WAS. But not anymore.

 

[Negative Knight]

King Hashi what do you think of the Utakata fillers (6 Tails)

Honestly i think because he turned out to be a real character that all of his abilites in both manga and anime should be accounted for

However Tobirama's lightning sword and etc are just little short stories to take a break from the main show

 

[KingHashirama]

King Hashi what do you think of the Utakata fillers (6 Tails)

Honestly i think because he turned out to be a real character that all of his abilites in both manga and anime should be accounted for

However Tobirama's lightning sword and etc are just little short stories to take a break from the main show

i personally think it should be counted.

About tobirama..The manga really can't go off from the main story to do some fun arcs (it could but Kishi is straight forward). But the anime has the power to Expand the Naruto universe.

 

[FizzyDrink]

i hope you do understand the meaning of the word "Creator".. And no part of the anime is sync with the Manga. most of the words are changed and etc. The movements are also non-canon (in your thinking) also..


And again Manga and Anime are 2 seperate things.. Anime might be based on the Manga but it does not go parallel with it. O_x.

Anything that is created by the creators of NARUTO.. (Key word "creators") is Canon. The anime has kishimoto's full permission.

Kishimoto is not the sole creator. He probably WAS. But not anymore.

Did you see my example? It fits this scenario.

And just so you know, Kishimoto IS the sole creator. He's in complete control of the storyline. He may have editors, but the story comes from him. Nobody says that J.K. Rowling wasn't the sole creator of Harry Potter. The entire story belongs to Kishimoto. Anything else is just fanfiction created by people who work for the tv networks that air Naruto.

Just because the anime writes have permission to create fillers, doesn't mean that they're canon. In the end, it's not a part of the main storyline, it's not a part of what the ONLY creator created, and so it is not canon.

And you can only have 1 thing that is canon. Otherwise there will be contradictions, such as the Utakata scenario. If a thread is made asking "Did Naruto know Utakata before the fight with Tobi or not?" there can only be 1 answer. And the answer is going to come from the manga. The truth is he didn't, and seeing as how that is coming from the manga, the manga must be canon.

 

[kaka96]

"Anime is not the truth".. BUT THIS SITE IS BASED ON THE NARUTO FRANCHISE.

Actually the manga can't show anime is wrong.. Anime comes after the manga..


But apparently your not understanding something. That the Anime AND the manga are both part of the Franchise called NARUTO. the manga cannot cover everything. We wouldn't even know about Ukataka's abilities were it not for the anime showing him.

Your arguement is basically this example : "ONLY SUPERMAN COMICS COUNT TO JUDGE SUPERMAN" but in reality its everything made by Dc comics on Superman that counts O_x.

Manga showed anime wrong much more than once by proving later on that something the anime showed is not true

Naruto never met Utakata
Naruto never met Sanbi
Naruto can't throw his Rasengan
Raiga is not the ex wielder of Kiba
Sasuke made out Lion barrage for the first time against Yoroi, not against a bear in the forest
Sora doesn't exist or Tobi would have went after his chakra
Zabuza's blade was still were it was placed when Suigetsu came for it
And I'm not even gonna bother numerating all the others

This site may be dedicated towards the franchise but that doesn't means everything in it is, most threads will be about the manga canon facts, or it will be precise that's it's anime filler

As for Utakata's abilities, they were shown so much in depth that this sole image shows everything an entire arc did

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You want to change the point I'm bringing in into another example? Fine
Your point is like saying you have a son and he will be your exact copy. will he be 100% like you? no, why? because he inherits genes from his mother too. In this scenario the mother being fillers and you the original

fillers are not made to fill holes but to stall for time in order for the real thing to stay ahead, end of the line .
Peace out.

 

[KingHashirama]

Manga showed anime wrong much more than once by proving later on that something the anime showed is not true

Naruto never met Utakata
Naruto never met Sanbi
Naruto can't throw his Rasengan
Raiga is not the ex wielder of Kiba
Sasuke made out Lion barrage for the first time against Yoroi, not against a bear in the forest
Sora doesn't exist or Tobi would have went after his chakra
Zabuza's blade was still were it was placed when Suigetsu came for it
And I'm not even gonna bother numerating all the others

This site may be dedicated towards the franchise but that doesn't means everything in it is, most threads will be about the manga canon facts, or it will be precise that's it's anime filler

As for Utakata's abilities, they were shown so much in depth that this sole image shows everything an entire arc did

You must be registered for see images

You want to change the point I'm bringing in into another example? Fine
Your point is like saying you have a son and he will be your exact copy. will he be 100% like you? no, why? because he inherits genes from his mother too. In this scenario the mother being fillers and you the original

fillers are not made to fill holes but to stall for time in order for the real thing to stay ahead, end of the line .
Peace out.

and that why i said Anime and manga are different..but both are canon..


Also thats a bad example why?? you made manga the dad.. But thats incorrect. Kishimoto is the dad here.. Manga and anime are the sons.. =].

Fillers are made to fill holes matethats why they are given the name filler.

 

[kaka96]

and that why i said Anime and manga are different..but both are canon..


Also thats a bad example why?? you made manga the dad.. But thats incorrect. Kishimoto is the dad here.. Manga and anime are the sons.. =].

Fillers are made to fill holes matethats why they are given the name filler.

only one is canon

and if you want to play is that way smarty, than the anime is the grandson because it's based on the manga, made by kishi, making it even less resembling to the original idea, thanks for sinking yourself

and by the way, still better than your superman example

 

[KingHashirama]

only one is canon

and if you want to play is that way smarty, than the anime is the grandson because it's based on the manga, made by kishi, making it even less resembling to the original idea, thanks for sinking yourself

and by the way, still better than your superman example

Again both are canon. why? because both are created by the creators..and fall under the Naruto franchise.

Also,anime is based on the Manga yes...... BUT it has different creators. Basically a another mom, but the same dad (kishimoto). "stop sinking yourself".. no comment. The father is still the same but the mothers are different. Meaning storyline is the same... but the traits will be off.


My superman example was actually stayed in the same subject...and didn't move into Genetics.

 

[kaka96]

Again both are canon. why? because both are created by the creators..and fall under the Naruto franchise.

Also,anime is based on the Manga yes...... BUT it has different creators. Basically a another mom, but the same dad (kishimoto). "stop sinking yourself".. no comment. The father is still the same but the mothers are different. Meaning storyline is the same... but the traits will be off.


My superman example was actually stayed in the same subject...and didn't move into Genetics.

I have nothing more to add LMAO :rofl: oh geez , you killed me with that one That is exactly why they are non-canon, they follow the same main story line, but the side story and extra content are off.

 

[Tazzilla88]

Almost in every single thread, you will meet someone who is picky about the resources and will say stuff like, "I only go by what kishimoto has stated", or "Kishimoto is the God naruto and if he didn't create anything of naruto, then its not true".



Now lets clarify something.. Kishimoto is the storyline writer.... yes.. But he is not the editor, and hes not the sole person to do the drawings, He has a whole staff that helps him with manga. SO , even the manga is not created solely by Kishimoto himself.


Now, the anime is made from the manga. Basically a "real life" or "updated" version of the manga.


Creators are : Kishimoto, Viz Media, studio Pierrot

AND EVERY SINGLE THING CREATED BY THOSE PEOPLE ABOUT NARUTO IS CANON.....IF YOUR GONNA RELY ON THE MANGA ALONE.. THEN GOOD LUCK DETERMINING SOMEONE'S SPEED.. AND IF YOU ARE GONNA RELY ON THE ANIME ALSO.. THEN YOU HAVE TO COUNT THE FILLERS TOO.


Basically, people are saying only stuff written by kishimoto is canon. But that is false. Kishimoto might be the author, but he is not the sole creator. Same applies for, Oda and Kubo.

The problem with your theory i'll say in terms of Tsunade. In chapter 170 she finished Orochimaru with one blow. In the manga it took about 14ish iirc. Which means they trolled her character

In the anime the Episode ninja no more Tsunade had to think of Kabuto's self healing technique which heightened Lee's success rate when this did not happen in the manga as it makes no sense considering Tsunade can self heal to a much higher degree.
In the anime Sora tanked Tsunade's punch, in the manga Tsunade's punch left a gaping hole in Edo-Madara.
In the videogames Mokuton deflected a TBB
etc. etc. People who are not Kishimoto take artistic liberties which contradict the manga. Which is why the manga is cannon and is the most accurate source of info.

 

[KingHashirama]

I have nothing more to add LMAO :rofl: oh geez , you killed me with that one That is exactly why they are non-canon, they follow the same main story line, but the side story and extra content are off.

ok so you say they are non-canon.. yet say they follow the same storyline.. And also Manga has no side stories.. Thats why its a manga. Anime on the other hand does. Also, last time i checked when thing followed the same storyline.. it makes them both canon.. But then you have the concept of which one you are judging.


Anime will always be Canon unless kishimoto says so otherwise. In fact its the same for every other Anime to.

You keep bringing me to the Superman example.. Comics were written first.. But the cartoon came after.. Yet both are canon.. why? because they were created by Dc universe. Same concept applies for naruto..


Im not here to diss you or anything. I respect your opinion.. But the point was BOTH will/ need to be counted in a Thread with battles or about a specific character.

The problem with your theory i'll say in terms of Tsunade. In chapter 170 she finished Orochimaru with one blow. In the manga it took about 14ish iirc. Which means they trolled her character

In the anime the Episode ninja no more Tsunade had to think of Kabuto's self healing technique which heightened Lee's success rate when this did not happen in the manga as it makes no sense considering Tsunade can self heal to a much higher degree.
In the anime Sora tanked Tsunade's punch, in the manga Tsunade's punch left a gaping hole in Edo-Madara.
In the videogames Mokuton deflected a TBB
etc. etc. People who are not Kishimoto take artistic liberties which contradict the manga. Which is why the manga is cannon and is the most accurate source of info.

It took her 14 blows?? lol really?? So the punch that left a whole throough madara's chest is enough for Oro?? lol. Tsunade's strength is high. in the Anime it made perfect sense. And hell even the Oro vs Sarutobi fight was better in the Anime then the Manga.

Self heal is very different then healing others. And again that just showed Anime goes into more explaining..

When she punched Edo madara she had the full seal released and was in her Ultimate form.

The game showed something Kishimoto did not show in the Manga and It actually clarified how it became a Valley.

People who are not kishimoto , but work on naruto.. Have permission from Kishimoto.