Kishi, you dug ur own grave

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I'm sorry to say it. I've been reading Naruto for 5-6 years, and I've read through it many times. I've also made many theories during the years, so I've made a lot of research in the manga. But now I've reached a conclusion: Kishi has ****ed up. Naruto was a brilliant manga, specially in the start, however, it escalated after the time skip, and this current war situation just occured way too fast out of nowhere, as well did Narutos power. I can live with all this, though it caused me to think of other mangas as my favorite manga.

But now Kishi really did it. He fu*ked up big time. I can't really see how it happened, but after he brought the edo tensei to the war, everything ended up like crap. Some of them were brought back for no reason, and it was like Kishi rushed through all the fights, and just forgot them, and then he ended the jutsu. Except for his greatest mistake of all time. Uchiha Madara.

The current situation is showing us the very first meeting between obito and madara. Madara is an old powerless man, who has only 1 sharingan. But in the present era in Naruto, an edo tensei version of uchiha Madara at an age of what I would say is about 30-50 years, is fighting Naruto - after he slaughtered the 5 kages. This version of Madara carries the rinnengan, so it must be the "version" of him that died "shortly" after awakening the rinnengan. However, this same Uchiha Madara who according to his age must have died 30-50 years ago, actually knows Obito and the plan they made.

Maybe we just don't know the full aspect of Edo Tensei, but if it would be possible to "escape death" as Madara claims he did, then how could he be revived in a state before that, and still remember what happened to him afterwards? Also if he did indeed find Nagato to give him his eyes, he must have been in somewhat "good" shape at the moment, or he must have had other people doing it for him, which is unlikely, but probably the only way kishi could get away with it. But if that would be the case, how couldn't he know who Tsunade is? After all she faught a war in the same country as where Nagato grew up, and she became "famous" from this war. It was also during this war Obito was born, though that is probably irrelevant.

So Kishi kinda dug his own grave this time, and as an experienced reader, I have a hard time seeing him escaping this hole. In my opinion he has just one option, and that is to present us some new jutsu, or some other helpers/followers of Uchiha Madara that helped him out during the years, but that would be a huge set back for him and the entire story..
 

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yea now that i think about it doesn't really makes sense, considering that madara was brought back in his prime and then more, yet chiyo was brought back as she died, an old woman. like why was madara the only person to be brought back in his prime? why isn't every person just at the strongest they have ever been? idk maybe that somehow is chiyo's prime but if that's the excuse it's just ridiculous
 

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You ever stopped to think that he planned this whole charade beforehand? You're acting as if the whole series is already over. Wait until it's finally done, come back and rethink, and tell me your thoughts on it.
 

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If u so butthurt about is here is a good idea don't read the manga simple nd it is kishi's manga at least it's free people inbjapan have to pay for it and get it late be grateful dammit
 
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You ever stopped to think that he planned this whole charade beforehand? You're acting as if the whole series is already over. Wait until it's finally done, come back and rethink, and tell me your thoughts on it.
Well of course he thought it through, but as it is, it's almost impossible to see any likely solution to this current problem, without some new sort of grand jutsu. I'm afraid the explanation he'll be giving us is somewhat gonna make rinnengan a lot stronger, and Hashirama a lot more over powered. It's obvious that Kishi never intended for Hashirama and Madara to be so strong as they have been made now, and what worse is, it can only keep growing, due to his latest revealings.
 

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We don't know everything about how Edo Tensei works (Kabuto himself said he made Edo Madara "special" by bringing him back stronger than he was in his prime), plus it depends on how you interpret what the characters are saying.

Madara says he awakened the rinnegan shortly before his death. But obviously that can't literally be true because when he's talking to Obito in the Mazou cavern he had already given his eyes away (presumably to Nagato) which would have happened years earlier. Madara refers to himself as a "ghost of the Uchiha," so he's saying that he is dead in an abstract sense. Perhaps he considers his fight with Hashirama to be a "death" of sorts, and refers to that moment as when he "died."

Also, Edo Tensei brings the soul back, and presumably the soul would have memories of its entire life, not just the memories up to the moment when its living DNA was harvested.
 

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We don't know everything about how Edo Tensei works (Kabuto himself said he made Edo Madara "special" by bringing him back stronger than he was in his prime), plus it depends on how you interpret what the characters are saying.

Madara says he awakened the rinnegan shortly before his death. But obviously that can't literally be true because when he's talking to Obito in the Mazou cavern he had already given his eyes away (presumably to Nagato) which would have happened years earlier. Madara refers to himself as a "ghost of the Uchiha," so he's saying that he is dead in an abstract sense. Perhaps he considers his fight with Hashirama to be a "death" of sorts, and refers to that moment as when he "died."

Also, Edo Tensei brings the soul back, and presumably the soul would have memories of its entire life, not just the memories up to the moment when its living DNA was harvested.
And I did consider that as well. Then it would mean someone else revived Madara in between. I do not want to discuss the possebilities, I simply want to say that I think it's gone too far, and a lot agree with me, but it's great to see that some don't. To me who has been reading for so long, it is easy to see how much it has changed, and now everything is relative. Every grand jutsu got some wicked twist, and people we once knew of either becomes much much weaker, or much much stronger. For instance Hanzo appeared very weak, and Zabuza very strong. Also Hashis powers have been turned into something at the scale of a God, it even appears to keep people alive, after their death?

I never said it's not possible for Kishi to explain everything that is happening now, but no matter how you look at it, at least for me, it can only dissapoint me - sadly. If I was in his shoes, I'd probably just have Naruto defeat Madara and never explain it - maybe drag sasuke into as well, anyway good thing that I'm not :p
 

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Someone has already said it, but the fact that Madara's edo tensei body was special can explain all of this.

We know Madara awakened Rinnegan sometime before he died. Even though it seems he lived for about 15 years after, Rinnegan was still the greatest Doujutsu he unlocked and is therefore included in the Edo Tensei technique when used on him. Considering all this, Madara was likely revived as an old man WITH the rinnegan. Now Madara was obviously revived with his Sharingan active, not the rinnegan, but clearly the way Kabuto revived him must have been as an old man with the capability to use both his Sharingan and Rinnegan.

Now the only remaining question is how Kabuto modified his Edo to bring him back to that age. Its possible that he added enough senju DNA that it restored the Edo or perhaps he fed Madara chakra in another way, but I think its clear that the 'special' part of his edo was returning him to his prime.
 
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