Kishi trolled the Senju and Uzumaki

[Tazzilla88]

So Kishimoto has said that the So6P's sons decedents are the Senju and the Uchiha. We've seen the Uchiha. We've seen how Kishi has blessed their eyes and there's no denying the power of their eyes. Their power has remained pretty constant generationally.
But the Senju. We've seen 6 of Hashirama's techniques. And he seems pretty powerful and was apparently powerful enough to beat a master of the EMS sharingan.
The only Senju living is Tsunade. This is where the trolling started. She's powerful I know. But he limits her soo much compared to how the Senju clan is supposed to be equal to the Uchiha. Versus a base or even three tomoe sharigan I can see her taking the victory. Against MS maybe. But what the hell does she do about Izanagi, Izanami, s/t jutsus or Rinnegan? Really compared to the final level of the Uchihas what can the Senju do?
Tobirama was a powerful shinobi. He was left for dead by the Kinkaku force. Darui pretty much soloed Kinkaku and Ginkaku. He came close to death once but saved himself. Yes Kishi gave him good powers such as excellent chakra control, rough form of edo-tensei, water jutsus and s/t. But what is his counter to Susanoo, Amaterasu, Izanagi and Izanami?
The uzumaki's are distant relative of the Senju.
Again let's look at Tsunade. Yes her life force is incredible she lives through grueling attacks before she begins to heal. We believe she's good with seals but compared to hax abilities of the Uchiha. They can copy non kenkkei genkkai techs with just a glance and store them. They can keep up with most quick opponents with their eyes. They can counter and reverse genjutsu and they have the most powerful genjutsus and when added to what they have above you begin to wonder how the Senju or Uzumaki's can compete.
Nagato was an Uzumaki, yet his use of the rinnegan made him sick and frail. His actual power had nothing to do with his clan but only with the rinnegan.
Karin is an Uzumaki and she is only good for healing and sensing.
Naruto is an Uzumaki, but without the Kyuubi (which was an Uchiha tool to keep up with the senju) he only has SM and Base. And those alone are not enough to take out a master of EMS or EMS +Rinnegan user.
Ultimately Kishi has made the Uchiha clan so Godly with only their clan powers and has left what is suppose to be their equals behind in the dust.
So to summarize
Uchihas

• Keeping up with rapid movement
• Jutsu copying
• Most Powerful Genjutsus
• Able to counter and reflect Genjutsus
• Amaterasu
• Susanoo
• A way to negate the negatives of MS
• Izanagi
• Izanami
• KA
• Time/Space Manipulation
• Possibly Sharigan turning into Rinnegan

Senju

• Durability
• Chakra Control
• Strength?
• Healing?
• Large Chakras
• Good in specialty fields of ninjutsu

Uzumaki

• Longevity
• Large Chakras

How the are either the Senju or the Uzumaki or both combined supposed to equal the Uchiha? I don't think Kishi trolled on purpose but he didn't really think it through. In order to fix it he has to give the Senju or Uzumaki clan so godly power-up which will seem like total BS.

 

[Cryomancer Sub Zero]

So basically what your saying is that he favors the Uchiha and pretty much s**t faced the Uzumaki and Senju with little too nothing.

 

[narutorikudoumode]

don't worry we will find out a lot about the senju/uzumaki clans that makes them equally powerful i wouldn't be suprised if they were the ones made to be jinchirrukis which is kinda true

 

[-Jiraiya-]

Trolls happen.. wait for more op

 

[skoraxascended]

he's just giving the uchiha fans a false sense of grandior at the moment and then blam what the hell just happened the Senju/uzumakis are saiyins?

 

[9Bijuu]

Most Uchiha never get half of the bonuses you mentioned plus the strongest Senju in history was stronger than the strongest Uchiha in history, don't forget that. Over all the Senju were better than the Uchiha and Uzumaki are essentially Senju that were most likely only less competent with jutsu.

 

[Akuma]

Keeping up with rapid movement
Jutsu copying
Most Powerful Genjutsus
Able to counter and reflect Genjutsus
Amaterasu
Susanoo
A way to negate the negatives of MS
Izanagi
Izanami
KA
Time/Space Manipulation
Possibly Sharigan turning into Rinnegan


Take out the scratched ones and they are equal to the Senju, none of the Uchiha can do those, except for the main ones. (itachi, sasuke madara, etc..)

 

[Cryomancer Sub Zero]

Trolls happen.. wait for more op

OP?

 

[narutorikudoumode]

he's just giving the uchiha fans a false sense of grandior at the moment and then blam what the hell just happened the Senju/uzumakis are saiyins?

exactly yes this is my 500th comment

 

[Tazzilla88]

Most Uchiha never get half of the bonuses you mentioned plus the strongest Senju in history was stronger than the strongest Uchiha in history, don't forget that. Over all the Senju were better than the Uchiha and Uzumaki are essentially Senju that were most likely only less competent with jutsu.

Eh... Based on what we've seen of both. MS Itachi> EMS Madara. Maybe not in jutsus but in Uchiha techs. Regardless we don't know what most uchihas get based on the fact that Itachi and tobi assassinated them. But the ones we do see >>>> the Senju and uzumaki we see based solely off of clan strength. If take away Naruto's kyuubi he's screwed just like everyone else.

 

[Punk Hazard]

actually, that just shows how OP senjus are if only those six powers were enough to
rival uchiha, not to mention only a few of the uchiha get those powers

 

[Tazzilla88]

Keeping up with rapid movement
Jutsu copying
Most Powerful Genjutsus
Able to counter and reflect Genjutsus
Amaterasu
Susanoo
A way to negate the negatives of MS
Izanagi
Izanami
KA
Time/Space Manipulation
Possibly Sharigan turning into Rinnegan


Take out the scratched ones and they are equal to the Senju, none of the Uchiha can do those, except for the main ones. (itachi, sasuke madara, etc..)

again we don't know that. Kakashi isn't even a uchiha and he unlocked MS. Obito was 13 and had already unlocked his 2 tomoe sharigan there is no telling if given the time how much more he could have accomplished.

 

[Cryomancer Sub Zero]

again we don't know that. Kakashi isn't even a uchiha and he unlocked MS. Obito was 13 and had already unlocked his 2 tomoe sharigan there is no telling if given the time how much more he could have accomplished.

He barely did so though and my guess it was from constantly using it in battle.

Emphasis on constant.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

There is a reason that the Senju were the rival clan of the Uchiha, and it wasn't just Hashirama and Tobirama. They had to have other skills in the clan to counter the sharingan.

Tobirama got taken out by a group of 20+ hunter nin/anbu. If the Gold and Silver bros were there then they probably used their weapons of the SO6P. If Tobirama, didn't have intel on these weapons, he could have easily lost. The only reasons Darui won were because he had back up, intel, and luck.

From what we know, you need to Senju and Uchiha DNA, plus EMS to acquire the Rinnegan. That isn't easy. Let alone acquiring MS or EMS, which few people ever have. Just like the few powerhouses of Senju were monsters, like Hashirima, Tobirama, Sarutoi (cousin?), Naruto (cousin), and Tsunade (yes she is hella strong and instaheal)

 

[Cryomancer Sub Zero]

Although they have some skill Naruto and Tsunade aren't anywhere near where they should be in terms of who their Clan's are, especially Naruto.

 

[dowhatupreach]

he's just giving the uchiha fans a false sense of grandior at the moment and then blam what the hell just happened the Senju/uzumakis are saiyins?

agreed.

 

[Tazzilla88]

There just seems to be an imbalance at current. I thought Kishi would fix this by having Tsunade the last remaining Senju pull some jutsus out of her boobs and show off the power of the Senju clan. And She is impressive but against the techs I mentioned (which reminds me Danzo is not uchiha either and he just managed to combine Senju and uchiha DNA to be hax with sharigans) there's not too much for her to do. I feel like he squandered his opportunity to make the Senju shine and now his only hope for redemption for Senju's is the 5v 1 Tsunade and Madara fight. Uzumaki's can always make comeback because there's 2 living ones at least. If he was trying to bring the Senju's up by giving Hashirama powers it ultimately failed as it's seen as a Hashirama power and not a Senju power. (Just saying Mokuton would be a useful Senju power kinda like how it seems all Uchihas use fire release). I'm starting to lose hope that he'll fix it.

 

[Prince of Persia TTT]

Well you have a point but we havent seen all of senjus powers and jutsus only we know are some techniques of Hashirama moreover those techniques are not enough to take down EMS Madara so we all need to have to wait to see all the techniques

 

[Cryomancer Sub Zero]

Kind of seems like in the very least Naruto should have gotten Mokuton or even the Chakra Chains.

Kishimoto really f***ed up with him.

 

[kevenc]

Huge misconception, only a few get Susano, Amaterasu and all this crap... Anyway that's your assumptions I still believe the Senju > Uchiha. The So6P made a good choice chosing is Younger Son, The Elder one was just mad due to his dad believing in Senju's.