Kishi messed up on Tobi ...he nerfed him so much

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

{Before I start I would like to say that , this is merely my opinion it's not a fact , but I would like to share it ...so please don't flame , only disagree with logic if you do}

so : I think , Kishi has messed up big time on Tobi , and nerfed him so much

I mean making him summon the incomplete Juubi this early , is so stupid and a bit annoying .

I mean :

1- Tobi declared a War on the entire world (5 Nations) by himself FFS , Even Before Kabuto joined him .


2- Tobi didn't even want Kabuto to join him , he only joined him because of the 6th Coffin Edo: Uchiha Madara .



In my estimation : A man that Manipulates the Akatsuki , an organization that consists of S-rank Nukenin Shinobi / Rogue Ninjas from behind the scenes ...,Controls Kirigakure's Yondaime Mizukage (stated as a jinchuriki that fully controls it's bijuu ) for a long long time ...Controls the kyuubi with a 3 Tomoe sharingan , and attacks Konohagakure , knowing it had two Hokages at that time (btw. the only reason Minato beat him is because Tobi under-estimated him and Minato somewhat outsmarted Tobi) ...and then again Declares War by himself on the world by himself like I stated , Is not weak by anymeans .

Like I'm so annoyed by how Kishi makes Tobi look like a complete Joke just because of Naruto's Plot No jutsu . In my opinion Tobi should be atleast able to destroy Kakashi by himself not with the Juubi and very easily might I add ...In the very least ! ...but of course Plot no jutsu .


I'm not fan-boying over Tobi or anything , and probably Kishi making Uchiha Madara return is what made Kishi forget about Tobi , and give all the Hax to Madara .

So in short , Tobi is way way way nerfed by Kishi for supposedly Shippuden's main Antagonist/Villian

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

Yeah, you tell one of the greatest mangakas how he messed up his story because he decided to take it in a direction you weren't expecting. Better yet, do it before you know all the details and how it's going to end.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Blame Kabuto, especially since he let two of his Edo's go free.

 

[jaykuhz]

Tobi was kinda provoked by Naruto, don't you think? He was underestimating Naruto a lot but he finally realized he shouldn't be underestimating him. He was like "Ok **** it, gonna bring out the Juubi"
Tobi still has a lot left to show.

 

[Eano]

I agree somehow...

 

[Nikes]

Naw, the focus is just on Madara right now.

 

[sasukexx13]

Naruto is the one teasing tobi.....Now tobi is tired of this shit and wanna end this,the only way he can do that is with the help of juubi...

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

Yeah, you tell one of the greatest mangakas how he messed up his story because he decided to take it in a direction you weren't expecting. Better yet, do it before you know all the details and how it's going to end.

Oh look at you , I can already tell that you didn't even bother to read ..and just commented judging by the title , I clearly said : " This is my mere opinion , this is not a fact ...so please don't flame " .., But guess what ? ..the 1st comment on my Topic flames me .

Tobi was kinda provoked by Naruto, don't you think? He was underestimating Naruto a lot but he finally realized he shouldn't be underestimating him. He was like "Ok **** it, gonna bring out the Juubi"
Tobi still has a lot left to show.

I know he has alot left to show , But I'm not talking Juubi wise , I'm talking Raw-power wise .

Naw, the focus is just on Madara right now.

That's exactly what I said in the last part ...and Madara isn't the Main Villain , he is a Legendary Shinobi and The Ultimate Hax ..but again he isn't the Main Villain , Tobi is .

I agree somehow...

Thanks...

Blame Kabuto, especially since he let two of his Edo's go free.

But the problem is : that Tobi even made it seem that Kabuto was a burden ...and told him that he had to change his entire plan because of him joining .

 

[Imperius]

Yeah, you tell one of the greatest mangakas how he messed up his story because he decided to take it in a direction you weren't expecting. Better yet, do it before you know all the details and how it's going to end.

because kishimoto never messes up something, everything is perfect

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

because kishimoto never messes up something, everything is perfect

Exactly ...that guy doesn't even disagree with Logic , he just Flames :sy:

 

[pervysage69]

I think Tobi's problem is like you said he is always either underestimating people (Minato, and Naruto and the others) or he is overestimating himself. This is a huge weakness and will get you defeated.

If Tobi was such a badass the moment Minato released Kurama from his control he should have no longer underestimated him and took the fight seriously. You yourself said Minato outsmarted Tobi which is a sign of him being inferior to Minato during the battle. No matter the reasons Minato was defeating Tobi and Kurama so you cannot say someone is not getting their due when they were being defeated.

Also Naruto and the others have just taken on SIX EDO jin's with their tailed beasts and defeated them. So I am not sure of what other choice Tobi has. He no longer has his EDO's it is just him and the statue. He knows there is no way the current version of the statue can stand up to two full beast mode jin's so he does not have a choice but to power it up.

 

[Armathyx]

Dude, it takes the 2 best jounin in Konoha + Naruto + B to keep up with Tobi alone and you think he is not strong enough?

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

I think Tobi's problem is like you said he is always either underestimating people (Minato, and Naruto and the others) or he is overestimating himself. This is a huge weakness and will get you defeated.

If Tobi was such a badass the moment Minato released Kurama from his control he should have no longer underestimated him and took the fight seriously. You yourself said Minato outsmarted Tobi which is a sign of him being inferior to Minato during the battle. No matter the reasons Minato was defeating Tobi and Kurama so you cannot say someone is not getting their due when they were being defeated.

Also Naruto and the others have just taken on SIX EDO jin's with their tailed beasts and defeated them. So I am not sure of what other choice Tobi has. He no longer has his EDO's it is just him and the statue. He knows there is no way the current version of the statue can stand up to two full beast mode jin's so he does not have a choice but to power it up.

I absolutely agree ...even after Naruto took out the Bijuus ..Tobi thought he was sweating and then he snaps out of it , and says something like : " I can't sweat against an opponent like that , Naruto is merely a Pawn to stimulate Sasuke he is nothing " , so I think Over-estimating himself is the correct perspective ..., but I still think that he can atleast kill Kakashi or Guy atleast , but Plot won't let it happen .

Dude, it takes the 2 best jounin in Konoha + Naruto + B to keep up with Tobi alone and you think he is not strong enough?

You completely missed the point ...you are wrong it actually took the 2 best Jounins of Konoha + Naruto + Bee to fight the Edo - Jinchuriki that were controlled by Tobi and the Gedo Mazo which was also controlled by Tobi ....what you said doesn't apply to Tobi himself Yet , that alone is proof that Kishi nerfed him to the point that he has no choice , but to summon the incomplete Juubi

 

[pervysage69]

Dude, it takes the 2 best jounin in Konoha + Naruto + B to keep up with Tobi alone and you think he is not strong enough?

Tobi alone? Wow and here I was thinking he just had six EDO jin's and the gedo statue fighting with him. So you could make the argument it was 8 against 4 and Naruto and the crew were not only holding their own but starting to win.

 

[pervysage69]

I absolutely agree ...even after Naruto took out the Bijuus ..Tobi thought he was sweating and then he snaps out of it , and says something like : " I can't sweat against an opponent like that , Naruto is merely a Pawn to stimulate Sasuke he is nothing " , so I think Over-estimating himself is the correct perspective ..., but I still think that he can atleast kill Kakashi or Guy atleast , but Plot won't let it happen

Ego can get you killed. Pride is not one of the seven deadly sins for no reason. Even in the Naruto manga you see all the time where characters are too confident in their abilities and it causes them to lose a battle. But I agree if Tobi did not overestimate his abilities fought like he could lose and there was not a restriction of certain characters not being able to die I think he could take out part of the group.

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

Tobi alone? Wow and here I was thinking he just had six EDO jin's and the gedo statue fighting with him. So you could make the argument it was 8 against 4 and Naruto and the crew were not only holding their own but starting to win.

This is what I said to him ! lol

Ego can get you killed. Pride is not one of the seven deadly sins for no reason. Even in the Naruto manga you see all the time where characters are too confident in their abilities and it causes them to lose a battle. But I agree if Tobi did not overestimate his abilities fought like he could lose and there was not a restriction of certain characters not being able to die I think he could take out part of the group.

Of course ..I agree again , and also another thing , Ironically enough , just before Minato used the Hiraishin Level 2 and rasengan'd Tobi outsmarting him ..When they both was reaching out for each other and Minato threw the Kunai , Tobi says : " Oreno Katchi / I win " He didn't even notice the Kunai because of his over-confidence .

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

The only reason Gedo is on the battlefield is so when Naruto/Bee is captured, they can be immediately placed inside of it. Tobi is not taking any risks at this moment. The pure power of 9 Tails can rival the other 5 bijuu at once that are on the battlefield, so once in his life Tobi isnt underestimating his opponent.

 

[SasukeTheViper EMS]

The only reason Gedo is on the battlefield is so when Naruto/Bee is captured, they can be immediately placed inside of it. Tobi is not taking any risks at this moment. The pure power of 9 Tails can rival the other 5 bijuu at once that are on the battlefield, so once in his life Tobi isnt underestimating his opponent.

Yeah !

 

[6PathsofKami]

Totally agree man, I was expectIng so much from Tobi in this war but we got nothing

 

[SilverSlick]

Well he has some of the best techniques. I understand what you're saying though. But to be fair, him controlling 6 jinchurikis is very hard to do. That's like the equivalent of controlling 2 Kurama's. Nagato himself didn't have to utilize that much chakra. This goes to show his chakra levels are immense. Thing is, he is a shell of his former self. Just think of how powerful he used to be.