Kishi is a chauvinist!

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arielpk

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This ain't just a cool title, it also has some sense in it. Don't be too harsh on me, it's my first post *.* Let's start with som examples (or proofs, call them whatever you like) :

Mangekyō Sharingan
Well, we all know by now, even the ones among who choose not to read the manga, that Itachi, Madara, Izuna, Tobi, Sasuke, Shisui, Kakashi all had MS. Madara and Sasuke even got EMS. But have you seen any female Uchiha (or non-Uchiha, i.e. like Kakashi) member with MS? Look at Sasuke's mother, they didn't even show her using her normal Sharingan, and she must have been at Jōnin level at least.
So what do we have here? 7 Guys with MS, 2 guys with EMS, 0 females with MS or EMS.


Female characters may look strong, but are weak
Let's start with Kurenai, one of our best Jōnins, right? wrong! Look at how she paw powned by Itachi. But ofcourse, Itachi is S level, on completely different scale.. But did you see Kurenai's Jutsu again? I mean, except from the part where she fought Itachi in ep.83 or ep.84, we saw nothing of her Jutsu. Look at Kakashi, Guy and Asuma. They all had their fighting appereance in Shippuden, and had many episoded about each. But Kurenai? no, no, no. Kishi just got her pregnant so he can kick her ass out of the screen.
Who's next? Oh, what about Konan? Well, Konan is said to be an S level, and a strong member of Akatsuki. We saw little of her good fighting scills against Aburama Clan in Konoha Invasion Arc, but apart from that..? Oh, right - the battle with Tobi! Where Konan pretty much got powned! After Tobi used the Izanagi, she just becamse worthless. Come on, she had a lame appereance there, even Akamaru could fight better than her (*woof* *woof*). Kishi just did the fight so he could get her out of the screen as well, just as he did with Kurenai. She even wasn't brought back with Edo Tensei.. Just proves that Kishi wanted her out (otherwise, Tobi could have easily given Kabuto some part of her, so she will be revived).
Oh, and I just remembered another one! What her name? The one that has a sand-freaky brother as the Kazekage and some goth punk playing with dolls as another brother.. Oh yeah, Temari! She was like 14 or 15 during the Chunin Exams, and got pretty much owned by Shikamaru, who was 12.. Either Shikamaru is gonna be one of the greatest Shinobi we've ever seen (which I doubt will happen so far), Or Temari is just lame. You'll know I'm right if Kishi will kill her as well ;)







Still aren't convinced?
Well then:
Females are the cause for evil

SPOILERS!!!
Well, we all know by now that Tobi is Obito, but why did he become evil? why was he forced to choose such a dark path instead of living a normal life?
That's right- it's all because of Rin!

She is the one to blame in what happened to him, she could just have been more nice to him, or she could try to befriend him more, after all, he did risk himself to save her from those Iwa Nins.. But no, she was like "kakashi is sooooo greaattt, GTFO Obito! ".

Poor Obito.
Poor, poor Obito.

Can anyone seriously blame him?


No! Obito is not to blame, but Rin is the one to be blamed! She caused all his suffering, and by this she is the one responsible for EVERYTHING the Akatsuki did, EVERYTHING! How many people died because of Rin, how many?!
She cause the 4th Great Shinobi War, and she's the one that caused the Fox attack and got Naruto's parents, and Sandaime's wife die. By doing this she also made Danzo suspicious that someone from the Uchiha Clan was behind this, and thus making Itachi kill hiw own family, friends and the rest of the Clan. She made Sasuke what he is today! And is by law responsible for all his acts.

So, for conclusion, Rin is the cause of all evil in Naruto.


Still have any doubts Kishi is chauvinist pig?
 

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what about kushina and mito
naruto wanted to be as strong as kushina and mito was a powerful kunoichi
and i doubt kishi did those fights with konan and kurenai just to get them out of the screen
 

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Oh good, Chatte is already here. ^.^
 

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aaaaaand Chatte to the rescue
 

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Hmm, I was entitled to believe the same thing at the beginning, however, after reading the manga multiple times before, I think otherwise.
Yes, he doesn't display women correctly everytime, but he does know what he's doing and you can't say he hasn't 'worked' on this problem. :)
And btw, keep it nice and polite or else the thread is going down.
 

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Noooo!!! not temari. Wow I never really thought of him as that ( because i just learned the word) but you may be right because you have all of the clues.
 

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It isn't just Kishi, look at how women are portrayed in other mangas as well. Tiny waists, huge breasts, skimpy outfits, etc. I'm a guy so I'm not complaining, but I can definitely see how a woman would get offended by some of these series.
 

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Tsunade is a hokage. Temari is a jounin... etc etc
 
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damn right hes a chauvinst pig. who said thats a bad thing.
 

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It isn't just Kishi, look at how women are portrayed in other mangas as well. Tiny waists, huge breasts, skimpy outfits, etc. I'm a guy so I'm not complaining, but I can definitely see how a woman would get offended by some of these series.

lol yeah, I didn't even get to that part. But you could say that at least in Naruto it looks more normal than in Code Geass, GTO, or the most absord of all- Golden Boy. lol :
 

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Tsunade is a hokage. Temari is a jounin... etc etc

.. Konan is an S level, The 2-Tailed & 7 Tails had female Jinchurikis, 5th Mizukage,...

I didn't say he doesn't have females at all, but look at what I wrote, don't just read the title. Konan, Temari, Kurenai, Anko (by kabuto), and even Mei (in the battle against sasuke in 5 kage arc.) got pretty much owned up.
 

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Kishi is kinda sexist but potrayal of characters like Konan, Kushina he redeems himself . . . . at least does not make every singles adult female character a stereotypical *** bomb character who keeps losing their clothes or bouncing their boobs as seen in Fairy Tail...

Also how the duck is Rin responsible for how Tobi reacted? She got a chidori to the chest and she is to blame? In all my time in NB i never saw anyone blame Rin ...... I think u yourself is being sexist by making that assumption . . . .
 

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Please post the threads in the relevant forum only.

Thread moved to Naruto discussions.
 

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I thought Konan was pretty cool. Two of the current kages are women. Temari needs to get her jutsu expanded a little and Shikamaru is generally held in high esteem just because his intellect is so ridiculously high. Sasukes mom wasn't a real Uchiha his dad was. That's like saying Chouji and Shikamarus moms got cheated even though they aren't ninja. With the exception of Kimimaro Tayuya was probably the strongest out of the Sound Five. At least Kurenai is still alive Asuma got cliche murdered. As soon as he got Kurenai pregnant he was doomed to die.
 

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didn't even need to read the thread to vote yes.
 

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Still aren't convinced?
Well then:
Females are the cause for evil



SPOILERS!!!
Well, we all know by now that Tobi is Obito, but why did he become evil? why was he forced to choose such a dark path instead of living a normal life?
That's right- it's all because of Rin!

She is the one to blame in what happened to him, she could just have been more nice to him, or she could try to befriend him more, after all, he did risk himself to save her from those Iwa Nins.. But no, she was like "kakashi is sooooo greaattt, GTFO Obito! ".

Poor Obito.
Poor, poor Obito.

Can anyone seriously blame him?


No! Obito is not to blame, but Rin is the one to be blamed! She caused all his suffering, and by this she is the one responsible for EVERYTHING the Akatsuki did, EVERYTHING! How many people died because of Rin, how many?!
She cause the 4th Great Shinobi War, and she's the one that caused the Fox attack and got Naruto's parents, and Sandaime's wife die. By doing this she also made Danzo suspicious that someone from the Uchiha Clan was behind this, and thus making Itachi kill hiw own family, friends and the rest of the Clan. She made Sasuke what he is today! And is by law responsible for all his acts.

So, for conclusion, Rin is the cause of all evil in Naruto.


Still have any doubts Kishi is chauvinist pig?


:what:

I don't like that Kishi doesn't portray female characters the way I want and he may be sexist/living in 16 Cntury or whatever but blaming Rin.. what kind of argument is that ! I don't see Kishi blaming Rin. Some misogynist users are another matter.
 

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So the point is??? Sorry bcouse i don't get ypur massage in this thread......
 
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