Kishi, i am directly speaking to you....

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it doesn't matter when we read freeely or with purchase. this is one of so pathetic reason on NB.
this website allows us to share views ,our feelings.
we should appreciate someone who expresses his feelings.
 
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I agree with that,Obito is smart,he was able to manipulate the whole Akatsuki and Sasuke and for just a moment Naruto too,so he knew from the start what Madara wanted,so he just went along because that was the only way for him to acomplish his "dream"...Which is I guess seeing Rin again...I know he is not a weakling,but just the way he was injured by Kakashi was so I don't know rather quick and unexpecting,I mean Naruto couldn't touch him,but Kakashi injured him so badly...And why didn't he use Rinnegan or his MS ,or even a stronger Katon...It is just so rushed by Kishi,and definitely overrated Kakashi,who for some reason was so confident that he will kill Obito,which is laughable at best,because I think Obito is classes away from him if we talk about strength..
True dat... the battle was rather dissapointing but we can factor in many thing: Obito's unwillingness and emotional barriers (Obito apparently still cares for kakashi, it is evident by his initial genjutsu..... also Obito seemed to be making hasty and impulsive decisions like piercing himself on kakashi's Raikiri on purpose), Obito's chakra level (Granted he has Hashi cells but considering what Obito has been doing, even hashirama might be exhausted by now, plus he needs to save up chakra for the final phase.... thus he might be using low power factors), Obito's lack of versatility (Obito never finished his Ninja training, and a old artheritic Madara might not have been a great teacher of the basics plus he was overly dependant on Kamui) ...... As for kakashi yes he is overrated now, but by retards who has low comprehension skills and thus does not matter.... as for Kakashi's confidence: remember Sakura's 'I will kill Sasuke'? ..... and yes I think in a standard 1 vs 1 Mano e Mano duel situation, Obito is miles ahead of kakashi.

Nice talking with a someone who does not resort to fanboyism....
 
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It's what I think actually. I adore your courage to come up with that type of thread even knowing that you would be a soft target for the trollers. I too think the same. If Kishi is watching this I would be very happy too.
 
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It all went downhill after the Hokage revival.
Sasuke returning to Konoha because of Hashirama was the biggest BS.

Or so I thought... after yesterday's chapter I know what the biggest BS is. -__-"
The leader of the Akatsuki being defeated as if he were nothing... aye.

Kakashi FTW though.
 
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It's what I think actually. I adore your courage to come up with that type of thread even knowing that you would be a soft target for the trollers. I too think the same. If Kishi is watching this I would be very happy too.
And you wonder why people who think like you are target of 'trollers' .....
 

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So many contradictions here...i agree with both sides =D It's normal for people to make threads like this one, we have our personal opinions. Therefore, we can easily disagree on such topics. It's true, too, that most of us don't pay for the manga, we read it free on the internet. The only ones who buy it are the japanese and people who want to have it especially. Maybe Kishimoto had some gaps, maybe he didn't do some thiings very good BUT everyone makes mistakes, isn't it?
We have to, no, we must accept it. The man has his own life, his own problems, maybe he has a good or a bad day afterall when he writes the manga. Of course, we develop and had developed high expectations, as he has been writing Naruto since 1999. Kishi can't please all his fans, so we must side and try to understand him. He is not a robot, to make everything perfect...
Then again, sorry for this wall of text =D i had to say all this stuff...:)

It's what I think actually. I adore your courage to come up with that type of thread even knowing that you would be a soft target for the trollers. I too think the same. If Kishi is watching this I would be very happy too.
Trolls man, trolls. Trollers are the luggage :win:
 
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So many contradictions here...i agree with both sides =D It's normal for people to make threads like this one, we have our personal opinions. Therefore, we can easily disagree on such topics. It's true, too, that most of us don't pay for the manga, we read it free on the internet. The only ones who buy it are the japanese and people who want to have it especially. Maybe Kishimoto had some gaps, maybe he didn't do some thiings very good BUT everyone makes mistakes, isn't it?
We have to, no, we must accept it. The man has his own life, his own problems, maybe he has a good or a bad day afterall when he writes the manga. Of course, we develop and had developed high expectations, as he has been writing Naruto since 1999. Kishi can't please all his fans, so we must side and try to understand him. He is not a robot, to make everything perfect...
Then again, sorry for this wall of text =D i had to say all this stuff...:)
Hmm seems legit..... like any other literary works have no flaws or as they say 'Plot no jutsu' ..... just take Harry Potter series for example: how Dumbly died or how Harry defeated Voldy or How Draco became 'good' etc.
 
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Nice read bro and I really like it when people express their honest opinions since NB is for fans to discuss about Naruto. But some trolls especially the ones bashing this threads won't understand it cause some of them are here just to troll and bash the characters.

As for the thread I will start with Obito since he is your favorite character :-

  • 1. Obito : He was a well made character an ideal person who can go ways when its meant for protecting his friends but the only thing missing here was his resolve was weak but apart from that he is one of the finest character and one of the greatest villain in NV.

    Obito was defeated easily in the latest chapters and its obvious to feel that he was overlooked or trolled by Kishi but fight had its significance and importance itself the flash back and paneling was great. Obito was defeated by Kakashi but people forget to take the basic parameters that were involved in the fight some of them are : -
    • Obito never once used his Rinnegan at all. If he had used it Obito would have absorbed the Raikiri means the jutsu itself but he didn't. And as for a Kunai I don't think it would have damaged him.
    • The size of the Katon used was smaller as compared to what he used earlier.
    • He never used Kamui attack to attack kakahi with giant shurikens .
    Its because Obito was running low on chakra his chakra was depleted thanks to 6 bijuu's and the gedou majau and outer path of the rinnegan. Kakashi on the other hand was given chakra by Kuruma twice to be precise. Chakra depletion was one of the reason the black rods which carries Madara's will were able to take control of Obito's body so that Madara can over power obito to force him to use Rinne tensei no jutsu.


    2. Madara :- Madara was waiting for Hashirama to finish his work so that they can have a fight and fans thought that Madara never gave a damn about his dreams but its totally other way round Madara is not the type of a guy whole will waste a single effort he made he waited patiently for himself to awaken the rinnegan and he even planned ahead so that when time came he would control Obito even if Obito turned against him black rods are one fine example of this. Madara knew Hashirama and co can suppress the Jubbi for sometime but can't defeat it and he is waiting for Jubbi next transformation. After Obito's fight Madara become impatient and decide to revive himself itself shows he willing to go all out now.

    3. Sasuke :- A complex character to begin with always calm in situation but superficial calmness always thinking about superiority and power. Sasuke was influenced by the mainly by Itachi and was fixated on revenge that made him go as far as to join Orochimaru in order to kill his brother. When Sasuke knew the truth all his believes were shattered all his resentment against his brother turned in remorse which lead him astray and Obito took his chances and made him go against the Itachi's will but after meeting Edo Itachi and Hokages he realized the path which he was taking will create another Sasuke so may be he decide to protect leaf by becoming the hokage but with ideals similar to Danzo instead of following the will of fire and by destroying the Bijuu's.
 
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True dat... the battle was rather dissapointing but we can factor in many thing: Obito's unwillingness and emotional barriers (Obito apparently still cares for kakashi, it is evident by his initial genjutsu..... also Obito seemed to be making hasty and impulsive decisions like piercing himself on kakashi's Raikiri on purpose), Obito's chakra level (Granted he has Hashi cells but considering what Obito has been doing, even hashirama might be exhausted by now, plus he needs to save up chakra for the final phase.... thus he might be using low power factors), Obito's lack of versatility (Obito never finished his Ninja training, and a old artheritic Madara might not have been a great teacher of the basics plus he was overly dependant on Kamui) ...... As for kakashi yes he is overrated now, but by retards who has low comprehension skills and thus does not matter.... as for Kakashi's confidence: remember Sakura's 'I will kill Sasuke'? ..... and yes I think in a standard 1 vs 1 Mano e Mano duel situation, Obito is miles ahead of kakashi.

Nice talking with a someone who does not resort to fanboyism....
Yeah when you say it like that,it does seem like many things were I guess going in Kakashi's favor...Well he was emotioanal through this whole war,because of Rin,Kakashi,Naruto...He is not my favorite character but he was a decent villain,who had a pretty good reason for being one,so it was just overwhelming for me to see him so "easily" defeated...I just couldn't wait to see the "top 10 lists",because Obito was always was in top 3 all the time,I just waited for someone to put Kakashi on number 1,2 or 3 and then just shoot myself...Ha ha,yeah Sakura was always funny...Nice talking to you too ,you seem like a pretty reasonable and smart guy.

It's what I think actually. I adore your courage to come up with that type of thread even knowing that you would be a soft target for the trollers. I too think the same. If Kishi is watching this I would be very happy too.
Definitely ,a world wide known manga creator is watching what people post on fan sites...
 
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Hmm seems legit..... like any other literary works have no flaws or as they say 'Plot no jutsu' ..... just take Harry Potter series for example: how Dumbly died or how Harry defeated Voldy or How Draco became 'good' etc.
Yeah, that's the story, we have to accept it...say, what could we do now? Beg for kishi to redo it..? :vincent: XD
 

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Yeah when you say it like that,it does seem like many things were I guess going in Kakashi's favor...Well he was emotioanal through this whole war,because of Rin,Kakashi,Naruto...He is not my favorite character but he was a decent villain,who had a pretty good reason for being one,so it was just overwhelming for me to see him so "easily" defeated...I just couldn't wait to see the "top 10 lists",because Obito was always was in top 3 all the time,I just waited for someone to put Kakashi on number 1,2 or 3 and then just shoot myself...Ha ha,yeah Sakura was always funny...Nice talking to you too ,you seem like a pretty reasonable and smart guy.
Well I dont consider Obito a true villain ...... he doesnt have the obvious qualities of a 'villain' at his core, he is more like a wounded animal searching for his coup de grace. But yes He is one of the most fascinating characters out there, if someone can be antagonistic but yet get sympathy from the crowd, its Obito.... but he's not dead yet.

Well I never paid any attention to Top 10 lists out there as the powers displayed by most characters were very situational, and can not be used as a proper deciding factor, and their ranking may vary from time to time relative to each other.
 
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Well I dont consider Obito a true villain ...... he doesnt have the obvious qualities of a 'villain' at his core, he is more like a wounded animal searching for his coup de grace. But yes He is one of the most fascinating characters out there, if someone can be antagonistic but yet get sympathy from the crowd, its Obito.... but he's not dead yet.

Well I never paid any attention to Top 10 lists out there as the powers displayed by most characters were very situational, and can not be used as a proper deciding factor, and their ranking may vary from time to time relative to each other.
I think the same way as you about Top 10 lists...but they are kind of irritating,because so many people make them here. When you think about it ,every villain in this manga is behaving as a wounded animal like you said,except Orochimaru ,but we never saw so much of his background...
 

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your opinion is right in its place.but i don't blame Kishi if the things doesn't go my way in the manga.

its because of Kishi's awesome plot that a lot of people are attached to naruto.

maybe Kishi really care about his fans opinion but he focuses on the lesson he wants to give people.and i think its much better.
 
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