Kishi had the best final villain available the whole time

UltraPain

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Yep, I'm gonna say it Orochimaru should have been the final villain the entire time and here's why...

1.) It makes sense: Just by looking at how the Oro storyline developed, we found out that he had Hashi DNA, Madara's body, had most of the Uchiha tablet figured out, learned how to clone the sharingan, and absorbed Kabuto's chakra (where if Kishi wanted he could have absorbed SM as well). These were some of the most critical elements needed to gaining Rikudou abilities and they were already in his hands well before everyone else. There's also the fact that he had developed the legendary edo tensei and if he wanted he could have summoned Madara and then absorbed him to become the ultimate threat.

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2.) Oro had the most evil motivations: A lot of people thoroughly enjoyed Oro's motivations from part 1 because they embodied the ultimate villain. All that he cared about was himself and achieving perfection. He didn't care about anyone else or the state of the world; he didn't whine about the past; he didn't even care about the lives of children and did horrifying experiments on them. In my opinion that is pure evil. Unfortunately by the time the manga ended Kishi thought we should be steered away from that and spend more time with sensitive, philosophical villains who wanted to help everyone in some way. That process might have been done well with Pain but by the time it reached Obito and Madara it quickly became a cliche which only gave room for boring, repeated plot development and some cringe-worthy TNJ moments.

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3.) The best looking villain:Oro was clearly designed to be the ultimate bad guy. Just think about it, when was the last time a Naruto villain made you afraid just by looks alone? His long tongue, pale face, snakes, the cackling laugh, etc. embodies every scary quality you see in your nightmares. Even just one intense glare, without genjutsu or any kind of enhancement, made his enemies absolutely terrified. Now imagine that look mixed with a rikudou appearance!

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4.) He's the real OG: If there's one character that always brought chills to our spine it was always Orochimaru. He was menacing, he was cruel, he was creepy, and most importantly we feared his potential what he may have become. It would have been the perfect plot twist at the end of the series to see our original villain, the guy who failed again and again, finally come back to succeed and make those original fears into reality.

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I'll take Madara over Orochimaru anyday. Madara looked intimidating. Orochimaru, on the other hand, looked like he'd molest you. Definitely not the best looking.
 

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Linked to my thread yo, but mm- Oro wouldnt make a good big dramatic Sagelevel villain. If Oro wins, he wins silently and subtly.
 

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A properly written and portrayed Madara is the best final villain.
 

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Madara was more suited to being the final villain though the fact that Orochimaru was treated like shit in Part 2 was really disappointing. He should've played a more important role in Part 2.
 

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A properly written and portrayed Madara is the best final villain.

Sadly this doesn't exist and was relegated to Obito...who in my opinion was the best candidate for FV. Shame that it had to drag on after that amazing defeat.
 

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Sadly this doesn't exist and was relegated to Obito...who in my opinion was the best candidate for FV. Shame that it had to drag on after that amazing defeat.

I agree with this somewhat. Since Obito actually BECAME the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, he was potentially the best villain. I think his along with Edo Madara would have been FVs together. But if Obito never became Jinchuuriki, then probably it was best to attain the greatest powers like Rikodou Senjutsu and Rinnegan, since he had the style and attitude of a true villain.
 

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Orochimaru should have been the final villain. u.u
 

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I agree with this somewhat. Since Obito actually BECAME the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, he was potentially the best villain. I think his along with Edo Madara would have been FVs together. But if Obito never became Jinchuuriki, then probably it was best to attain the greatest powers like Rikodou Senjutsu and Rinnegan, since he had the style and attitude of a true villain.

Madara was GREAT but I would've kept him as an Edo and let him exit the War first, just bc Obito's takedown and Jinchuuriki psychological takedown was a great end to the series- hell, throw BZ's revelation in there too and i'm happy.

Could've saved 100 chapters haha
 

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Linked to my thread yo, but mm- Oro wouldnt make a good big dramatic Sagelevel villain. If Oro wins, he wins silently and subtly.

I agree that Oro prefers to be a more "behind the scenes" kind of guy, but his attck on Konoha clearly shows that he's willing to go all out in the public eye when it's time to strike. I'd say Oro is more about timing, and honestly after seeing him gather so much data and power over the years there was never a more perfect opportunity to see him execute on all that than during the war.

A properly written and portrayed Madara is the best final villain.

IMO Tobi being Madara was by far the best writing of Madara we ever had and it sucks that it was all a lie. Too bad Kishi couldn't just let it be true cuz then everything would have been amazeballs.
 
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I agree that Oro prefers to be a more "behind the scenes" kind of guy, but his attck on Konoha clearly shows that he's willing to go all out in the public eye when it's time to strike. I'd say Oro is more about timing, and honestly after seeing him gather so much data and power over the years there was never a more perfect opportunity to see him execute on all that than during the war.

You think? With gods all among him and the world united into one place? ...i'd say the future when he picks his moment. When Sasuke and Naruto are long gone
 

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You think? With gods all among him and the world united into one place? ...i'd say the future when he picks his moment. When Sasuke and Naruto are long gone

Perhaps so, but of course we didn't know that at the time of the war.
 

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I would have loved that. Maybe have him take black zetus role since that was BS anyway. But instead of reviving kaguya he steals his power
 

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Eh, I felt Madara was the best villain until Kishi decided to write him out in literally one chapter.

If I had to rank potential FVs;

(1) Madara
(2) Orochimaru
(3) Obito
(4) Black Zetsu
(5) Dogshit
(6) Kaguya
 

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Eh, I felt Madara was the best villain until Kishi decided to write him out in literally one chapter.

If I had to rank potential FVs;

(1) Madara
(2) Orochimaru
(3) Obito
(4) Black Zetsu
(5) Dogshit
(6) Kaguya

Interesting. Dogsh** is Sasuke I take it?

1. Obito
2. Black Zetsu
3. Sasuke
4. Kaguya (with Zetsu husk)
5. Orochimaru
6. Madara
 

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Interesting. Dogsh** is Sasuke I take it?

1. Obito
2. Black Zetsu
3. Sasuke
4. Kaguya (with Zetsu husk)
5. Orochimaru
6. Madara

Nope, I was just saying that dogshit would literally be better than Kaguya lol. Sasuke would probably be below Orochimaru.
 
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