1. "I know it ****ing extends" a little later, "IDK if I remember this correctly but I believe Enma did indeed extend, do not take my word for it." Im going to have to assume you mean Enma in his regular form, in which case no, i will not take your word for it since that never happened
2. It is. Forests at will, ability to evade, mokuton clones, FTW which will put him to sleep, and all other sorts of mokuton that are capable of restraining a Susano'o cloaked Kyuubi. Hiruzen would not get withing 100 feet if thats how Hashi wanted to do it. For the last time: Its not happening. Not a chance in hell
3. Its not a matter of opinion. Hashirama did not use any of his four strongest attacks.
5.No, it doesnt. Its just a title. One that you seemed to think had some signifigance earlier on when you forgot that it had been newly given to Hashirama. It is just a name, but it belongs to Hashi now
6. Exactly, they needed both of them and another guy just to perform FTG ONCE. Three guys to perform one jutsu that one man alone could master. Hiruzen has not been shown to particularly adept at fuinjutsu. Even when he uses RDS, he has to be holding onto his opponent whereas Minato can do it at a range. It stands to reason that even if Hiruzen attempted to learn FTG himself, which is not at all confirmed, that he would have similar difficulties mastering the technique in a way that would make it applicable in a battle situation
1.Yes I do indeed mean Enma, anyways if he never did extend in normal form IDK why he can't if he can do so in his staff form
2.Hiruzen already managed to escape from hashis wood(lol) he managed to escape a ****ing forest already, Prime Hiruzen could proably spam his ****ing staff clone shit and his kage bushins too. He could proably burn the forests down, if he was really that great of a katon user.
3.It is a matter of opinion how weakend they were, there is no confirmation how weakend they were. I say 50%
5.They both have the same title deal with it
6.Hiruzen could make clones if he did indeed suck ass at FTG.
..What other points? But exactly. Which is why it is ridiculous to compare him to the two strongest shinobi of all f*cking time. Why is this so hard to comprehend? From what Hiruzen has shown currently, he is no match for Hashi or Madara. Could Kishi give him some power-ups that even the odds a little in the future? Yes. But until then it is blatantly obvious that Hashi and Madara wreck his shit without breaking a sweat
One word. Hype. How many ****ing times do I have to say this? The Sage is featless too, but his hype states that he made the damn moon on his death bed.... Why would kishi lie to us in his own manga? About something like this? So the sage is a fodder unless he shows his moves lol, by your logic. The way I'm seeing it atm Other points in an ancient post in this thread, it doesn't matter anyways, I'm just going to continue
This is getting beyond redundant. He cant do it because we havent seen him do it.. Since when are powers handed out that arent shown? He escaped from literally a forest. Not the type weve seen lately, where they are capable of being completely manipulated making only extreme speed or strength a viable way to escape. Hiruzen has neither. He couldnt spam clones.. Where does that come from. Making three wore him out. His katon was good, but not capable of burning down forests that change the landscapes of entire battlefields. Its not a matter of opinion when his four strongest techniques went un-utilized.. They clearly dont, seeing as it was given to Hashi right in front of Hiruzen. Even then, what proof do you have that he can use it.. Oh right. None. Just like every other point youve made throughout this entire pointless debate
Well **** you too budy.
IDK what you mean by not this type, Hiruzen escaped a forest that was pretty damn big from Hashirama. Do you know how much chakara that shit would cost?
It was stated multiple times by the anbu and orchimaru and enma, that he was shit compared to his prime. That he was extremely weak compared to his prime.
When I mean opinion I mean't how badly weakend they are you fool .
Anyways if you don't want to continue than **** off, I honestly could not give 2 shits. If you want to go on by pure facts, I don't have shit. All we know is that he mastered all of kohans jutsu and other shit I do not feel like repeating.
If the hype is correct he has a chance at beating hashirama. I guess the Sage is a fodder too because he never showed off his moves too huh?
Yet the hype is hollow. Weve seen him in action, actual fighting three times now and it has been far from impressive. He has no jutsu that make him a threat to anyone in the top ten. How does he beat the two strongest? He doesnt. The making of the moon itself is all the feats necessary to know he is the strongest of all time. No one would be able to stop that Chibaku Tensei alone
The creation of the moon is a legend a myth. It's all hype so far. Prim Hiruzen is hype greatly in the manga or was. Deal with it. The few feats he showed were good anyways mangaing to solo 2 kage level edos..... as an old man.
I swear you want me to repeat every f*cking post i make just so you can comprehend them. Anyways, this is all i need to know that im good to leave: " If you want to go on by pure facts, I don't have shit."Knew itd be a waste of time lulz
Where do you have to repeat yourself? Anyways thus far Prime Hiruzen is a god like legend and theres no denying that.
Wow, how long has this been going? Either way, as much as I like a good debate, you two are so firm in your beliefs that I find it hard to think that this will end until one of you walks away.
Bottom line is, Hiruzen will show off his powers soon. Whether or not he lives up to his hype is a toss up, really. It depends on how much Kishi really cares about this character. Keep in mind, though, he only just recently gave Sakura some form of a powerup.
I just can't take this guy thinking he's supeior over me, over having an opinion thats debatable it's ridiculous. lol
