Kishi and Obito's TnJ... A whim?

[Kαmi]

So I'm not entirely sure if Kishi always planned for the TnJ of Obito. Or maybe it'll be that Madara definitely won't be TnJ'd? You'll see what I'm getting at.

Shikaku talks with Naruto as he approaches the battlefield, giving him a pep talk and preparing him for battle. While doing so, he mentions Tobi or at this point in time, "Madara"

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Basically saying that Madara was not going to be a person he could reason with like Nagato. You see where I'm going with this now?

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Again, the comparison with Nagato, it seems that Kishi, through the conversation of Naruto and Shikaku are heavily implying that Tobi or Madara will not be someone he can talked to. Even going as far as to say that they don't desire true peace. Even Tobi agrees

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They even go as far to think of Tobi is evil but we know that's not the case.

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Seemed like TnJ just was not an option for Tobi at this time. But hey, we know how that turned out.

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There were many people like myself who initially thought Obito would never go down the same road as Nagato and believing in Naruto's words and if you look above, you can see why. Though, others did think he would do the same, I found it strange that it seem foreshadowed that he wouldn't. So I wonder, do you think Kishi made his decision sometime after this on how Tobi's path would go? Or do you think they might have been talking about Madara, the real Madara. Is it possible that it'll be Madara to fit this description rather than Tobi/Obito and Madara won't get TnJ'd? Which could it be?

Like I said, I have no problem with the road Obito went down, but I'm really curious if Kishi decided this on a whim or not.​

 

[Joker]

'Nough said

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[Kαmi]

'Nough said

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Posing a spoiler on my thread, I'm gonna kill you Godly, I try to avoid spoilers >_>

Lol still don't know if it's on a whim or not though...

 

[Dantee]

'Nough said

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dude use spoiler tags.:|

I think Kishi knew all along it who Tobi was going to be, it was obvious after all. MAdara doesn't seem to be swayed by others words. He's just arrogant and he says he wants peace but all it seems he is after is power.

 

[Scryed]

I did think about this a while back but not anymore.

Obito at first was viewed as pure evil. Now we know he has his motivations.

IMO, Madara at first seemed to be evil as well. But based on the flashbacks about him as a kid, he seemed to hate the shinobi system. He lost many loved ones to war and now that he finally ran into a "solution", he's pursuing it to drag everyone to this illusion and end conflict by force. He felt hopeless after he found out the truth about the past and what a shinobi truly was. Atleast that's how I see it.


Perhaps he might not be swayed(although I feel Sasuke might actually manage to sway him based on what Hashirama said) but I don't think Madara is pure evil. In his eyes, he thinks he's doing the right thing.

 

[Joker]

Posing a spoiler on my thread, I'm gonna kill you Godly, I try to avoid spoilers >_>

Lol still don't know if it's on a whim or not though...

I don't play by the rules, he probably did it because Naruto's resolve is what Rin would've wanted. Obito would do anything for that thirteen year-old p****

 

[reizon]

Horrible timing to be making this elaborate thread.!!

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OBito's TNJ makes no sense to me.!!

 

[Kαmi]

dude use spoiler tags.:|

I think Kishi knew all along it who Tobi was going to be, it was obvious after all. MAdara doesn't seem to be swayed by others words. He's just arrogant and he says he wants peace but all it seems he is after is power.

Well I think the same, I feel that it was rather obvious it was gonna be Obito but that's not exactly what I was getting at. His motives, his ideals, were they always what Kishi planned them to be or did he change his mind at some point? Seems like some of the development was on a whim IMO. Madara seems to be a pretty smooth talker himself. But even in the end, he talks about him having the strongest chakra. Something I think he always wanted.

I did think about this a while back but not anymore.

Obito at first was viewed as pure evil. Now we know he has his motivations.

IMO, Madara at first seemed to be evil as well. But based on the flashbacks about him as a kid, he seemed to hate the shinobi system. He lost many loved ones to war and now that he finally ran into a "solution", he's pursuing it to drag everyone to this illusion and end conflict by force. He felt hopeless after he found out the truth about the past and what a shinobi truly was. Atleast that's how I see it.


Perhaps he might not be swayed(although I feel Sasuke might actually manage to sway him based on what Hashirama said) but I don't think Madara is pure evil. In his eyes, he thinks he's doing the right thing.

I don't think Madara is evil either, especially after his speech with Obito last chapter, he even thinks of himself and Obito as potential saviors.

I don't play by the rules, he probably did it because Naruto's resolve is what Rin would've wanted. Obito would do anything for that thirteen year-old p****

Lawd, maybe that had something to do with it. He does seem to make contrasts between the two at times.

Horrible timing to be making this elaborate thread.!!

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OBito's TNJ makes no sense to me.!!

Eh, I figured I'd have some time before the chapter would come out Lol It's not too complicated but I won't bother trying to explain it