Kisame & Zabuza Vs Maito Gai & Rock Lee

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Yes to be successful Lee would need some kind of defense vs Zabuza sword. When Lee fought Kim he had no defense for the spikes that could have killed him.

While Gai on the other hand has NUCK CHUCKS which he can use for blocking. Lee has arms to block...
Gai maybe can read foot movements. We did not see Lee being able to read foot movements.
 

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Lee can simply kick away Zabuza's sword.
 

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Kisame and Zabuza.

The thing is Zabuza is going to steal some of Kisame water and do some acts with Kisame.

Yes I , said it with Kisame long range attacks plus the mist with both of them doing the mist it is hard to beat.

Water Prison at least for Lee because he does not catch on fast enough to know what is going on. Mighty Gai would tell him what is going on but how is lee going to get caught in Kisame water flood.

Zabuza can reappear and vanish and water close enough for him to do a water prison.

Gai and Rock Lee going gates will quite easily blow the mist away, first and foremost [ ] And the same can be said if they get caught within a water prison.

Yes to be successful Lee would need some kind of defense vs Zabuza sword. When Lee fought Kim he had no defense for the spikes that could have killed him.

While Gai on the other hand has NUCK CHUCKS which he can use for blocking. Lee has arms to block...
Gai maybe can read foot movements. We did not see Lee being able to read foot movements.

Lee has kunais... Not like he needs it, because Zabuza is nothing in terms of speed compared to Lee.

Lee > Zabuza? ... LOL.

Take it up with Caterpillar then. Rock Lee>Zabuza.
 

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Lee defeats Zabuza; if someone brings arguements to table other than i haven't countered; i am ready to do so; but i won't repeat myself, le this page:


Lee can simply kick away Zabuza's sword.

Exactly; it when he was with Gai, and he was flanked away with a water wave that distrupts balance, it can work on Zabuza as well.

; Lee can handle Zabuza himself and more than capable of attack and defend. Not to mention mist would get ; if Lee's reaction do not suffice; which i think clearly does.
 

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Lee defeats Zabuza; if someone brings arguements to table other than i haven't countered; i am ready to do so; but i won't repeat myself, le this page:




Exactly; it when he was with Gai, and he was flanked away with a water wave that distrupts balance, it can work on Zabuza as well.

; Lee can handle Zabuza himself and more than capable of attack and defend. Not to mention mist would get ; if Lee's reaction do not suffice; which i think clearly does.

1- How is lee kicking Zabuza's sword if he doesn't know where his opponent is?

2-Sasuke obliberated Zabuza's clones with the v1 mist on, the v2 mist was used after that, and Rock Lee can't do shit over v2 mist

3- The force of the gates is no way enough to repell all the mist, while Zabuza can always make more...

4- Rock Lee beats Zabuza for sure in CQC, he stomps him.... But he can't win against his sillent killing and v2 mist, since he doesn't have sensing abilities
 

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Kakashi, who has Sharingan, could barely react to zabuza in v2 mist. Rock Lee's reaction speed is not as high as Kakashi's and he doesn't have sharingan, so he gets muredered in v2 mist... If he open gates, he wouldn't repell all the mist since the air pressure of the gates is not that high....
 

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Gai and Rock Lee going gates will quite easily blow the mist away, first and foremost [ ] And the same can be said if they get caught within a water prison.

Yes but that is entirely on Gai to open those gates. Lee so far can only open up to five gates. Not enough to push back the water. That means he would have to be close Gai to counter that attack.

Lee has kunais... Not like he needs it, because Zabuza is nothing in terms of speed compared to Lee.
But when have we seen Lee use Kunais hand to hand? We might have seen him throw it but show me how great he is with it hand to hand? Does he even carry any?

With speed he does not need it. But still he has the water to morph around into so that would take up for most speed.
Lee is a one man. While Zabuza can create clones. He does not need speed with this one. Lee can not create clones. So he might be faster, but Zabuza aleast can make up to two other clones which one take turns fighting.


Now for Gai. The time we seen Gai beat Kisame. He did not have his sword...
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with shark mode this is a different match up.
 

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Lee defeats Zabuza; if someone brings arguements to table other than i haven't countered; i am ready to do so; but i won't repeat myself, le this page:

Exactly; it when he was with Gai, and he was flanked away with a water wave that disrupts balance, it can work on Zabuza as well.
Well that fight it was one vs three and Kisame held his own. He was flanked because he was outnumber. Now put Zabuza on his side. Zabuza will simply the attack from Lee side smacking him down. He will do this while forming in the water wave like you said. He can instantly appear and disappear in a puddle of water. So if Kisame does the water wave he is blocking for him.

; Lee can handle Zabuza himself and more than capable of attack and defend. Not to mention mist would get ; if Lee's reaction do not suffice; which i think clearly does.

However Zabuza beat like 20 clones of with one shadow clone of The picture you are shoiwng is him getting ready for Zabuza attack. Kakashi told them he was Zabuza even spoke long time no .

The final with Kakashi telling him to do it at the .
The only one confused was the bridge builder. Even Sakura sensed Zabuza at that time. Remember when he came the mist was spreading. But know that it was only his clones and it just took him off guard since the last time they fought.

The gates Lee has only goes up to 5. Which Gai five did not push the water back until he opened more gates.
 

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Well that fight it was one vs three and Kisame held his own. He was flanked because he was outnumber. Now put Zabuza on his side. Zabuza will simply the attack from Lee side smacking him down. He will do this while forming in the water wave like you said. He can instantly appear and disappear in a puddle of water. So if Kisame does the water wave he is blocking for him.
And Lee is not alone in this fight as well. He has Gai. That's for one.
Second; Lee is on another level than part 1 Sasuke in taijutsu, speed and strength; he would not be blocked that easily nor tossed around like a rag doll.

However Zabuza beat like 20 clones of with one shadow clone of
Fodder pts Naruto clones? Sure he can beat them.
The picture you are shoiwng is him getting ready for Zabuza attack. Kakashi told them he was Zabuza even spoke long time no .
LOng time no see was probably referring to fact that they are having another counter; it can be sarcasm or a missused word; this is afterall a manga which had been translated from another language.
Kakashi saying that Zabuza is coming at such point further elaborates my point; someone can react in mist.
And the pic i was showing referring to fact that one can act in mist; a shinobi can react another if he/she is capable.
Quoting from my other post of the thread:
Lee does not require gates to react something which is not in his line of vision.
Lee would already know he is fighting. He would see Zabuza and his blade before he puts up the mist; it would not take a genius to understand he would attack with blade.
Shinobis can react things they can't see; Sakura; whose reaction timing, speed and taijutsu level below Lee's accomplished such:


"But she knew Zetsu would attack" of course she knew; so does Lee in this case, he knows he is in a fight! Even in blinding dark; i can effortlessly walk on stairs of my own building, or walk in my own room without tripping on something because i am accustomated with my surroundings; Lee is expert in taijutsu and exchanging blows; they are his surroundings in a way; he still posseses his reaction time and taijutsu proficency.
Not to mention muscle memory:

He was said to be unconcious; what is the state of beign unconcious; it is losing senses and ability to response of body; sight, hearing whatever you wanna say. His body can literally move on its own accord for reacting to situation! That final stance of his not just for emotional impact; he would not do such if his body was not capable.
And for example; Sasuke was able to react and fight in the mist wo sharingan:


Lee is far superior in reflexes, speed and taijutsu compared to that Sasuke. He is able to fight in the mist.

The final with Kakashi telling him to do it at the .
The only one confused was the bridge builder. Even Sakura sensed Zabuza at that time. Remember when he came the mist was spreading. But know that it was only his clones and it just took him off guard since the last time they fought.

The gates Lee has only goes up to 5. Which Gai five did not push the water back until he opened more gates.

Well? so if he was taken off guard they are in a fight; who says a person who has better reaction time, speed and taijusu won't accomplish such? Kakashi was just giving orders as the team's leader.

Gai did not open gates 1 by 1; he opened the 6th one directly when he was encountering with Kisame.
Here; Lee opening 5th gate and he has similar type of "aura" that is granted by force of the gates:
 

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Yes but that is entirely on Gai to open those gates. Lee so far can only open up to five gates. Not enough to push back the water. That means he would have to be close Gai to counter that attack.

He doesn't need to exceed the 5th gate to break out of the prison. Just the 3rd would suffice seeing as it is completely fracturing the ground and lifting up rocks by the sheer force alone without any movement [ ] It's quite silly to think that Zabuzas water prison will hold, especially if Lee starts gyrating himself to force out of it.

But when have we seen Lee use Kunais hand to hand? We might have seen him throw it but show me how great he is with it hand to hand? Does he even carry any?

With speed he does not need it. But still he has the water to morph around into so that would take up for most speed.
Lee is a one man. While Zabuza can create clones. He does not need speed with this one. Lee can not create clones. So he might be faster, but Zabuza aleast can make up to two other clones which one take turns fighting.


Now for Gai. The time we seen Gai beat Kisame. He did not have his sword...
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with shark mode this is a different match up.

I guess Lee using kunai in his fight with Gaara was non-cannon; nevertheless, he still carries a as any other ninja. Lol, you want to see what happens to inferior clones in the face of speed they have no chance in contending with? [ ][ ] Bunshins don't even make the slightest of a difference here. Zabuza has absolutely nothing on Lee.

Kisamehada can only function under water; whether it be inside the giant lake or the WD. Both of which, Gai counters by either blowing away the water with gates or forcing the WD to burst by aiming a Hirudora towards the ground.
 

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why did nobody counter my argument :( ?
 

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Kakashi, who has Sharingan, could barely react to zabuza in v2 mist. Rock Lee's reaction speed is not as high as Kakashi's and he doesn't have sharingan, so he gets muredered in v2 mist... If he open gates, he wouldn't repell all the mist since the air pressure of the gates is not that high....

Funny how i'm unbeteable... ;)
 

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My eyes have opened in this thread. Good job
 
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I forgot....Kisame didn't use the WD against Guy bc he didn't have Samehada...I doubt Guy's gates would disperse Kisame's huge dome. Zabuza and Kisame takes this. Lee isn't beating Zabuza
 

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I forgot....Kisame didn't use the WD against Guy bc he didn't have Samehada...I doubt Guy's gates would disperse Kisame's huge dome. Zabuza and Kisame takes this. Lee isn't beating Zabuza

A hirudora aimed towards the ground will disperse the WD; among other ways Gai can get out. And stubborn as always. Caterpillar already handled you.

Lee beats Zabuza.
I have debated this in this page:
 

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A hirudora aimed towards the ground will disperse the WD; among other ways Gai can get out. And stubborn as always. Caterpillar already handled you.

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OT: Green tights still owns.
 

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So, how on E-arth do they counter Zabuza's silent killing prowess?
 
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