Kisame vs Third Raikage - Kisame wins.

[BlacLord™]

His Hellstab would suffice. But even then, he does have black lightning release. Although we have not seen him use it in the manner that Darui does, he still was the one who taught it to him.

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His reflexes and raw speed are heightened exponentially, even to the point where even the sharingan could not keep up with it. I doubt Kisame, even in his Samehada-fusion mode, would be able to keep up with his brute speed.

It depends on the density of the water, if it's very deep, (seemingly it is because Kisame has enough space to roam around freely, that could slow him down considerably, and considering that if he's uses LRA in the water area, he might not be able to attack back, unless Black Lightning somehow evades the normal mirror effect....

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Kisame wins if he merges with Samehada since can sense chakra and evade the Third Raikage like Naruto did then all he needs to do his grab him to suck his chakra since his skin absorbs chakra when he's merged with Samehada.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

3rd Raikage wins.

 

[Unbiased King]

It depends on the density of the water, if it's very deep, (seemingly it is because Kisame has enough space to roam around freely, that could slow him down considerably, and considering that if he's uses LRA in the water area, he might not be able to attack back, unless Black Lightning somehow evades the normal mirror effect....

If Bee can swim around in it at the rate of a regular swimmer, then Raikage should have no problem zipping in and out of it. Even if his LRA affects the water dome, the likely hood of it harming it via the mirror effect would be next to none, considering he could tank a Rasenshuriken head on.

Kisame wins if he merges with Samehada since can sense chakra and evade the Third Raikage like Naruto did then all he needs to do his grab him to suck his chakra since his skin absorbs chakra when he's merged with Samehada.

Sage mode senses natural energy, not chakra. Also, how is Kisame going to catch arguably the fastest shinobi in the Narutoverse?

 

[BlacLord™]

If Bee can swim around in it at the rate of a regular swimmer, then Raikage should have no problem zipping in and out of it. Even if his LRA affects the water dome, the likely hood of it harming it via the mirror effect would be next to none, considering he could tank a Rasenshuriken head on.



Sage mode senses natural energy, not chakra. Also, how is Kisame going to catch arguably the fastest shinobi in the Narutoverse?

If he buzzes himself because of LRA, he could stall himself for a second or so, and in the Narutoverse, every second counts. If Kisame does merge, then yes, he can sense him out because Samehada is a quasi-sensor.

The speed thing is common in Naruto. How does Madara keep up with Naruto when his speed is on par with FTG? You can't win just by being able to blitz people.

 

[Unbiased King]

If he buzzes himself because of LRA, he could stall himself for a second or so, and in the Narutoverse, every second counts.

I don't understand this much, could you explain it a bit more?

If Kisame does merge, then yes, he can sense him out because Samehada is a quasi-sensor.

The manga does not support this statement at all; Samehada has never been shown to be able to sense anything other than chakra, in a pinpoint-perspective of speaking.

Indeed, Samehada could sense him, but it would not grant Kisame the same abilities in counter/reflex the Sage Mode grants Naruto.

The speed thing is common in Naruto. How does Madara keep up with Naruto when his speed is on par with FTG? You can't win just by being able to blitz people.

Naruto never used his FTG-like speed against Madara. If you can find an instance of this, I'd take that back.

 

[PretaPath]

Raiton > Suiton

nuff said.

 

[BlacLord™]

I don't understand this much, could you explain it a bit more?
The manga does not support this statement at all; Samehada has never been shown to be able to sense anything other than chakra, in a pinpoint-perspective of speaking.

Indeed, Samehada could sense him, but it would not grant Kisame the same abilities in counter/reflex the Sage Mode grants Naruto.

Naruto never used his FTG-like speed against Madara. If you can find an instance of this, I'd take that back.

Raiton > Suiton

nuff said.

If Sandaime tries to attack whilst in the zone with LRA active, buzzing himself could potentially paralyze him for a second or so, and with Kisame not being slow, especially if fused with Samehada, who Sabu even noted was faster whilst fused.

Around chapter 601, when Naruto attacked and Madara blocked his attack with his gunbai, I remember on the last picture, Naruto was gone.. like a flash. xd

@PretaPath Prove it.

 

[Unbiased King]

If Sandaime tries to attack whilst in the zone with LRA active, buzzing himself could potentially paralyze him for a second or so,

Even if I were to accept this argument, if Sandaime is paralyzed for a second or so as you presume with his uncomparable LRA, do you think Kisame would walk away with a scratch? No, he'd be fried.

and with Kisame not being slow, especially if fused with Samehada, who Sabu even noted was faster whilst fused.

Once again, Kisame's added speed with his fusion does not come close to the lightspeed of LRA. In fact, it doesn't even have to be circumstantial that the 3rd LRA's AFTER Kisame creates the dome; Both A and the 3rd use it at the beginning of their ALL their fights.

Around chapter 601, when Naruto attacked and Madara blocked his attack with his gunbai, I remember on the last picture, Naruto was gone.. like a flash. xd

Actually after reviewing that chapter, Naruto didn't move FTG-like, in fact he didn't even shunshin. I stand by my statement.

 

[BlacLord™]

Even if I were to accept this argument, if Sandaime is paralyzed for a second or so as you presume with his uncomparable LRA, do you think Kisame would walk away with a scratch? No, he'd be fried.


Once again, Kisame's added speed with his fusion does not come close to the lightspeed of LRA. In fact, it doesn't even have to be circumstantial that the 3rd LRA's AFTER Kisame creates the dome; Both A and the 3rd use it at the beginning of their ALL their fights.
Actually after reviewing that chapter, Naruto didn't move FTG-like, in fact he didn't even shunshin. I stand by my statement.

I think everyone clearly knows if Kisame managed to win, he would nearly dead, if not dead. I never implied he would tank Sandaime... xd

In 601, when he's attacking Madara, it says 'zoom', I take it he isn't walking towards him, hehe...

 

[Unbiased King]

I think everyone clearly knows if Kisame managed to win, he would nearly dead, if not dead. I never implied he would tank Sandaime... xd

I'm not presuming Kisame would win, but that your paralysis theory would be granted. Even logically speaking, and this has been said already by Dante on the first page of this thread: lightning users like Sasuke and Sandaime are not affected by lightning-water combos.

So then:

Nearly dead Kisame vs 1 second stunned 3rd Raikage. I think the result is clear if you're realistic about it.

In 601, when he's attacking Madara, it says 'zoom', I take it he isn't walking towards him, hehe...

If you look closer, the "zoom" speech bubble is directed at his forming TBB, it is just sound effect. In fact, if you look at the better translated *********** version, it says "charge", clearly indicating the preparation of a TBB.