Kisame VS Orochimaru and Kimimaro

[Edo Odin]

I was using it as an example of the effect of any boss snakes. Seeing as we've not seen which boss snake orochimaru has now, I'm just using his old one manda :/ Could easily use Aoda but people would say he's never used it so it's not manga fact.

He made a contract with one snake, he has the rest at his disposal, that's simply the way summoning works. Those who disagree can pick it up with Kishi.

Do you know prime Oro besides having 4 Edo hokage?! Therefore, with those being restricted we can only base his power from what wwe've seen.

The current Orochimaru is the Prime Orochimaru without a doubt. What we've seen him do is irrelevant, the fact still stands that at this point, Manda is dead.

 

[blazekev90]

He made a contract with one snake, he has the rest at his disposal, that's simply the way summoning works. Those who disagree can pick it up with Kishi.
The current Orochimaru is the Prime Orochimaru without a doubt. What we've seen him do is irrelevant, the fact still stands that at this point, Manda is dead.

To state this is his prime is pure assumption and this has only been stated because of his possession of the Hokage. Current Oro remains featless and nothing proves this is his prime. Having Edo and Manda restricted is a handicapped Oro, in his armless state.

 

[Fodder#4]

Still not positive who wins this...

 

[Edo Odin]

To state this is his prime is pure assumption and this has only been stated because of his possession of the Hokage. Current Oro remains featless and nothing proves this is his prime. Having Edo and Manda restricted is a handicapped Oro, in his armless state.

You can't possibly think that any other form of Oro can match up to the one with the power of four Edo Hokage at his disposal. That's outright ridiculous.

 

[blazekev90]

You can't possibly think that any other form of Oro can match up to the one with the power of four Edo Hokage at his disposal. That's outright ridiculous.

Did u not read my post?!?!
Nonetheles, you have proven my point.

 

[Edo Odin]

Did u not read my post?!?!
Nonetheles, you have proven my point.

I did, but I'm having a hard time understanding what message you're trying to come across here. The fact is that current Oro has three Hokage at his disposal, and that single fact is what puts him over almost any character in this Manga. If you can't comprehend something so simple, you're simply not worth wasting time on.

 

[AGoodBoy]

It took Deidara's biggest explosion to kill Manda.Orochimaru will love swimming in the water with his snake.Orochimaru and calcium boy wins.


I think he can summon Aoda either way he can summon bigger snakes like the no named one he used against Jiraiya in part 1.

Bahahaahahahhahahaah calcium boy. Oh my sides.

He can summon Aoda but i don't want the hastle of debating whether he can or can't.

He made a contract with one snake, he has the rest at his disposal, that's simply the way summoning works. Those who disagree can pick it up with Kishi.
The current Orochimaru is the Prime Orochimaru without a doubt. What we've seen him do is irrelevant, the fact still stands that at this point, Manda is dead.

I know this, but I didn't want to beat around the bush with those who disagree - like those who believe minato can only summon bunta :|

Yes, Manda is dead. Manda isn't the point. The point is snakes. Aoda,

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would all get the job done.

 

[Fodder#4]

Alright, Kisame wins this high diff. The fact that its blood lusted made, no, forced me to say Kisame. When off of work ill gladly explain why in detail

 

[blazekev90]

I did, but I'm having a hard time understanding what message you're trying to come across here. The fact is that current Oro has three Hokage at his disposal, and that single fact is what puts him over almost any character in this Manga. If you can't comprehend something so simple, you're simply not worth wasting time on.

The fact is Edo is restricted, so this whole "prime" Oro due to Edo Hokage is irrelevant. This points him in a weakened state with very FEW feats, feats that were used against children or playfully. Therefore, his prime considering the conditions would be him being able to utilize Manda.

 

[Edo Odin]

The fact is Edo is restricted, so this whole "prime" Oro due to Edo Hokage is irrelevant. This points him in a weakened state with very FEW feats, feats that were used against children or playfully. Therefore, his prime considering the conditions would be him being able to utilize Manda.

I don't feel that the restrictions should change anything when it comes to the form of the Shinobi if I am to be honest, but I do see your point.

OT: I'll try to get on posting who I think takes this in a bit.

 

[blazekev90]

I don't feel that the restrictions should change anything when it comes to the form of the Shinobi if I am to be honest, but I do see your point.

OT: I'll try to get on posting who I think takes this in a bit.

So I'm assuming he has no gates since those ddestroyed, etc.

I can't entertain a thread where one is obviously at the odds, kimimmaro might as well be alone.

 

[AGoodBoy]

So I'm assuming he has no gates since those ddestroyed, etc.

I can't entertain a thread where one is obviously at the odds, kimimmaro might as well be alone.

TBH I prefer to use Konoha invasion Oro for this.

Right now It's not even certain if he has kusanagi anymore.

 

[Edo Odin]

So I'm assuming he has no gates since those ddestroyed, etc.

I can't entertain a thread where one is obviously at the odds, kimimmaro might as well be alone.

You need blood for the gates though, so whether they're destroyed or not isn't too important.

Orochimaru is far from useless though. He still has his minor Snake techniques, the Body Shed, the Kusanagi Blade, his Futon, the ability to go underground, the ability to stretch, his Juinjutsu, the Temporary Paralysis technique, along with his intelligence and extraordinary endurance. His power is above Kimimaro's, by quite a margin, and he can definitely put up a fight against Kisame here, especially with Kimi at his side.

 

[AGoodBoy]

You need blood for the gates though, so whether they're destroyed or not isn't too important.

Orochimaru is far from useless though. He still has his minor Snake techniques, the Body Shed, the Kusanagi Blade, his Futon, the ability to go underground, the ability to stretch, his Juinjutsu, the Temporary Paralysis technique, along with his intelligence and extraordinary endurance. His power is above Kimimaro's, by quite a margin, and he can definitely put up a fight against Kisame here, especially with Kimi at his side.

That's unlikely since the body holding kusanagi was sealed into sasuke, then sealed into totsuka. I actually think current oro no longer has kusanagi.

 

[Icelerate]

Wow I didn't know this thread would become an argument on what Oro does or does not possess. Anyway in order to avoid confusion, he gets everything that he had in part one, early part two and now but he can only utilize one boss summon.

 

[blazekev90]

You need blood for the gates though, so whether they're destroyed or not isn't too important.

Orochimaru is far from useless though. He still has his minor Snake techniques, the Body Shed, the Kusanagi Blade, his Futon, the ability to go underground, the ability to stretch, his Juinjutsu, the Temporary Paralysis technique, along with his intelligence and extraordinary endurance. His power is above Kimimaro's, by quite a margin, and he can definitely put up a fight against Kisame here, especially with Kimi at his side.

I know what my Oro is capable of, but this alone would only be good for avoiding and countering Kiames's simple jutsu. If this was against and taijutsu shinobi, than maybe but Kisame's range ranges (close,mid,long).Kimimmaro would not be a better asset against Kisame than Manda would be against this kind of opponent. Kisame is extremely powerful, kimimmaro is a child in comparison. But ok, I've said enough.

 

[Prince Charles]

I cant wait till kishi shows us a chapter with orochimaru summoning a snake to stop this senseless no blood zetsu body crap

 

[Strict]

Orochimaru solos. His techniques can become more of a threat for Kisame than the other way around. His experience, skills and intelligence allowed him to develop numerous Kinjutsu, he possesses Kusanagi and can summon huge snakes to the degree of Manda, which I believe can dive underwater too, thus they can be successfully used in Kisame's waterdome.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I cant wait till kishi shows us a chapter with orochimaru summoning a snake to stop this senseless no blood zetsu body crap

Didn't an Edo Hanzo summon his salamander..? I don't believe Edos are able to draw blood.

But anyways, I don't see how any of Orochimaru's snake summons will pose as a problem for Kisame. As snakes tend to swallow their prey whole, which was also confirmed to be the case in the manga as well [

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] They then depend upon their digestive system to break down their food [

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] So even if Kisame were to be swallowed by Manda, Manda II, Aoda, or any other boss snake summon; it would only put Kisame in a better position to rid them from this battle. Given his monstrosity, Kisame can very well break out of the snake by the very same means as Naruto did in the scan I have already provided. Instead of Kage Bunshins, Kisame can utilize his

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to bust out of the snake as Naruto did

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. And if that's not enough, Kisame can implement his shark summons to start devouring the snakes from the inside. All in all, Kisame is triumphing in this match-up with high difficulty.

 

[blazekev90]

Didn't an Edo Hanzo summon his salamander..? I don't believe Edos are able to draw blood.

But anyways, I don't see how any of Orochimaru's snake summons will pose as a problem for Kisame. As snakes tend to swallow their prey whole, which was also confirmed to be the case in the manga as well [

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] They then depend upon their digestive system to break down their food [

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] So even if Kisame were to be swallowed by Manda, Manda II, Aoda, or any other boss snake summon; it would only put Kisame in a better position to rid them from this battle. Given his monstrosity, Kisame can very well break out of the snake by the very same means as Naruto did in the scan I have already provided. Instead of Kage Bunshins, Kisame can utilize his

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to bust out of the snake as Naruto did

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. And if that's not enough, Kisame can implement his shark summons to start devouring the snakes from the inside. All in all, Kisame is triumphing in this match-up with high difficulty.

Those larger snakes do not have the durability as Manda. We've seen those larger snakes damaged by simple offensives, unlike Manda. While i wouldn't advise Manda to swallow a fully healthy Kisame, a weakened Kisame isn't breaking through its skin. Snakes swallow thier prey alive (sometimes) sharks would vanish due the pressure of its digestive system (As shown against Naurto)