Kisame vs Kakashi

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You completely misinterpreted that gokage combo. Madara was absorbing the lightning + water combo fine, but he couldn't absorb Gaara's sand. If he stopped using preta path and got rid of the sand, he would be paralyzed by the lightning.

Kisame easily absorbs the raiton and proceeds to stomp this fodder.
No. They used the sand conductor for the water to conduct with. They added lightning to paralyse his body. All noted by Mei:
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You should pay more attention.​
 

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Kakashi is superior to Kisame in pretty much everything not pertaining to stamina and physical strength, but even those advantages aren't enough to close the gap in raw fire-power here. Kakashi's only real chance is a Genjutsu prior to Kisame releasing the big guns. Once the area is flooded, Kakashi needs his Mangekyo to survive - without it, he gets eaten by sharks.
 

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Anyway, I debate this with UchihaNagashi:

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Introduction

Location needs to be taken consideration of. Since its a land open of Konoha destroyed, we can assume Kisame will start to use his Suiton: Bakusui Shōha [ ], thus he has the landscape under his control. However, this doesn't rule out Kakashi's Suiton prowess, as the latter demonstrated incredible top feats.

  • Suiton Bunshin
  • Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu
  • Suiton: Suiryūdan no Jutsu
  • Suiton: Suijinheki
Further the implication, he had already copied the Suiton Dragon from Kisame, which impressed him. With that being said, almost all of Kisame's techniques apart from Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha will be stalemated with Kakashi's own Suiton techniques.

Other Suiton techniques that involves forms of Sharks, each of them can be blocked either via Doton wall [ ], repelled with [ ], or distinguished with Raiton Chain [ ]. The point is, they will be useless in this match-up, so its worth discussing it.






Samehada Fusion And Suiton Bubble

The main problem and issues for Kakashi is Samehada's Fusion with Kisame and the Suiton Bubble. However, none of the less, Kakashi can always counter this prowess as i will show it below.

Samehada, this weapon has been shown countless times to be kicked out of Kisame's hands countless times throughout the manga.

1). 1st time with Rock Lee [ ] and 2nd time with Kisame himself [ ]. Going by this, Kakashi can perform the same thing. How does he do that? Combination of speed and power, which would mean Taijutsu. Kakashi is not exactly your minor level Taijutsu. He is actually top 5 in this category.

His speed is already to keep up with 6th Gate Maito Gai who speedblitz Kisame [ ]. Adding to the fact he can open 1 of the 8 [ ], thus he is getting increase in speed and raw power overall. If he resorted to this, Samehada will end up being kicked and killed soon, and this renders Kisame's chances of fusing with Samehada.

2). Kisame + Samehada Fusion, in case if this battle has gone for too long to the point where Kisame will proceed into using fusing himself with Samehada and use the Suiton Bubble technique, Kakashi will counter it as shown below.

Since in this form, Kisame is constantly absorbing chakra, this is where Kakashi's Raiton comes into a heavy play. We know Kisame will use his Suiton Bubble to increase his powers. Water and lightning mixed together allows the electrons of lightning to travel at vast speed thus causing powerful electricity , and Kakashi is a very smart in making use of Kisame's Suiton and his Raiton mixture into forcing Kisame absorbing his Raiton, and this results his body to go numb and paralyzed, into a similar thing happened with Madara.

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So to put it simply, Kisame absorbing Kakashi's Raiton will lead to his body paralyzed due to Raiton and Suiton mixture. Once this happens, he is vulnerable for Rakari to the heart.

So, 2 of these methods i mentioned can work proficiently against Kisame, and any of them leads to his lost.





[video=youtube;8HYXw1vADFQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HYXw1vADFQ[/video]​
 

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No. They used the sand conductor for the water to conduct with. They added lightning to paralyse his body. All noted by Mei:
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You should pay more attention.​
Wrong. Preta Path absorbs all ninjutsu, regardless of nature affinity. Samehada has canonically absorbed raiton already (not to mention the raiton was conducted by a steel blade.) It makes no difference whether there is water to conduct it or not. Also, Madara was absorbing the lightning water dragon completely fine and didn't encounter any problems until Gaara's sand came into play. What's more, the scan you posted can be interpreted multple ways and isn't even a ViZ translation. The ViZ translation states that Madara absorbed the dragon fine.

[video=youtube;RhxOiGKlLNE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhxOiGKlLNE[/video]

Refer to this so you can understand more clearly what exactly happened. 35:06 is a good starting place. Please pay more attention.
 

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Wrong. Preta Path absorbs all ninjutsu, regardless of nature affinity. Samehada has canonically absorbed raiton already (not to mention the raiton was conducted by a steel blade.) It makes no difference whether there is water to conduct it or not. Also, Madara was absorbing the lightning water dragon completely fine and didn't encounter any problems until Gaara's sand came into play. What's more, the scan you posted can be interpreted multple ways and isn't even a ViZ translation. The ViZ translation states that Madara absorbed the dragon fine.

[video=youtube;RhxOiGKlLNE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhxOiGKlLNE[/video]

Refer to this so you can understand more clearly what exactly happened. 35:06 is a good starting place. Please pay more attention.
@Bold, irrelevant and debunked above.

As for the rest, Gaara's sand was used as conductor because Preta path cannot absorb the sand itself. The sand contained water and lightning inside it, and Madara absorbed them ended up paralysing him. The Viz doesn't change anything from the scan I posted. It's repeating what it exactly says. Take reading classes.​
 

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@Bold, irrelevant and debunked above.

As for the rest, Gaara's sand was used as conductor because Preta path cannot absorb the sand itself. The sand contained water and lightning inside it, and Madara absorbed them ended up paralysing him. The Viz doesn't change anything from the scan I posted. It's repeating what it exactly says. Take reading classes.​
Good lord. These are Mei's actual words, translated by the ViZ team:

"If you don't like the sand, just stop absorbing the jutsu! But then, the lightning water dragon will paralyze you."

Kakashi is not Gaara therefore he can't manipulate sand. Therefore the lightning is easily absorbed by the Kisame/Samehada fusion. It angers me when people are actually this ignorant.
 

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Good lord. These are Mei's actual words, translated by the ViZ team:

"If you don't like the sand, just stop absorbing the jutsu! But then, the lightning water dragon will paralyze you."

Kakashi is not Gaara therefore he can't manipulate sand. Therefore the lightning is easily absorbed by the Kisame/Samehada fusion. It angers me when people are actually this ignorant.
This is going to be my last reply to you, clown.

THE SAND WAS CONCOCTER BECAUSE PRETA PATH CANNOT ABSORB IT. RAITON AND SUITON WERE INSIDE IT, DUE TO THEIR COMPOUNDS PARALYSE WHEN THEY ARE BEING ABSORBED. The statement is supported by every translation which includes, Viz. Get through that thick head of yours.​
 

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This is going to be my last reply to you, clown.

THE SAND WAS CONCOCTER BECAUSE PRETA PATH CANNOT ABSORB IT. RAITON AND SUITON WERE INSIDE IT, DUE TO THEIR COMPOUNDS PARALYSE WHEN THEY ARE BEING ABSORBED. The statement is supported by every translation which includes, Viz. Get through that thick head of yours.​
And this is my reply to you, buffoon: Kakashi does not have the ability to manipulate sand so his lightning can't do shit to Kisame.
 

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Chakra handicaped Kakashi fighting a guy who thrives on long and tiring battles? Lol
That's not going to end well for his side. Kisame is out of his league and would outperform him.
 
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