Itachi can't dodge GSB under water so he will have to use Susanoo.
1. Why does Kisame have to aim it at the clone? He will see and sense two Itachis on the battlefield. The only time clone feints work against sensors are if the clone is created just prior to the opponent attacking, because in the heat of the moment sensors can get distracted or lose focus. In order for your clone feint strategy to work Itachi will have to create a clone soon before GSB is fired, and in that situation he'll already be underwater because Kisame will use WD first.
2. You make it sound much easier than it really is for Itachi. "Go the other way" doesn't account for the fact that Itachi will literally have to
swim the other way. If Itachi can't get the hell out of there, and get out of there fast, then the shark missile is just going to eat Itachi
and his clone.
I keep pressing you for specifics about this point, but you remain vague on how Itachi is going to get out of the way. If you had a way of Itachi escaping GSB's aoe, you would have given me an answer by now.
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is going to be a game changer against a suiton master? Okay then, I'll just list all the reasons why that's wrong.
1. The jutsu requires a water source, otherwise Itachi has to spit it from his mouth. The problem with using Kisame's water as a source is that Kisame is
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with such speed it fills up the whole area in seconds. The water will elevate Kisame above the bullets before they hit. Kakashi was able to weave hand seals and make a wall of water before they hit.
2. Those suiton bullets were tanked by Kakashi's water wall. Kisame is more durable than a water wall seeing how he survived Hirudora's explosion despite him not being at full power. He tanks water bullets. You can bring up how it's a piercing attack, but a metal weapon thrown with force can barely pierce him at all [
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]. I don't see water bullets drilling through him when they couldn't even drill through a thin wall of water, and any damage received can be healed by his sword.
3. Kisame has a sword to absorb chakra. Guess what water bullets are made out of. Chakra. Kisame can shield himself from them with his sword, or simply swing his sword 360 degrees around him making use of Samehada's
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. Of course, if Kisame manages to fuse by this point then water bullets get absorbed on contact with him.
4. A simple
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tanks water bullets.
Crow genjutsu blitz gg is a stupid argument, especially from 40 meters. Show me a scan of Itachi making crows, sending them out, and catching an opponent in genjutsu from that distance, before Kisame can make a hand seal and spit out water. It's the same hand seal that Deidara uses. Do you think Itachi can blitz Deidara with crow genjutsu from 40m before he says "Katsu"? :lol. The bold isn't a proper counterargument, the fact that no one has done it before doesn't equate to it not working for Kisame.
It's unreal that you think 3T Itachi can beat Kisame, since you seem to think beating him is as simple as one shotting him with crow genjutsu then finishing him off with water bullets.
You already conceded that it wasn't ink that made WD pop, so I'll let that go. What the hell does using Daikodan in the WD at the same time have to do with chakra control? Chakra control=
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. If you have insanely high chakra reserves, it doesn't matter how well you use it in this case since you have tons of chakra to spare.
And Kisame is hyped to have good chakra control, as stated by how he can control his power as effectively as a jinchuuriki [
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I'll agree, hand seals aren't slowed enough to be a game changer...don't think hand seal speed is something that matters much here anyway.
Water dome popping because Kisame chose to pop it is not proof that WD will disappear once Daikodan is used.
Totsuka can only be used with V4 Susanoo and you already agreed Itachi wouldn't decide to jump to V4.
No. It's a full on sensor, seeing how its sensing enabled Kisame to fight normally in zero visibility conditions. I already gave proof why Kisamehada's sensing feats can be applied to Samehada, and that's your choice if you choose to ignore it. Now that I think about it though, when Kisame and Samehada fuse their chakra networks should also merge together, meaning if Kisame gets caught in genjutsu then so does Samehada. Partner method only works if Samehada is a seperate entity from Kisame. This won't matter though, when Kisame can break genjutsu on his own.
You talk as if a 3T genjutsu is impossible to break.
Maybe ordinary genjutsu does do some mental damage, but then again, Kisame >>>> Cee and that cloud fodder, and in both instances that was MS genjutsu, not ordinary sharingan genjutsu. Answer me this honestly: do you really think a guy like Kisame is going to take mental damage from a 3T genjutsu? He's had his past share of horrible experiences, and because of them he's a battle hardened soldier who can barely feel any sort of emotion. No form of torture Itachi conjures up in a nightmare is going to make Kisame blink. He'll shrug it off. I can honestly see Kisame taking a Tsukuyomi and shrugging it off, given his tolerance to pain, physically and mentally.
Wow...
MS genjutsu is what controlled the Kyubi. 3T genjutsu doesn't work on it because it's simply not powerful enough. Same goes for Kisame whose been hyped to have as much chakra as a tailed beast and control it all effectively. Kisame can't throw away his sword because it will just return to him, and he definitely can't throw it away if they're fused together. MS genjutsu is out of question, because Itachi hasn't shown to be able to use MS genjutsu with crows unless he literally transplants the eye into the crow like he did with Shisui.
I've addressed both these strategies already, and they're both jokes. Itachi can now release crows, have them cross 40 meters, and force eye contact with Kisame before he can make an extremely simple seal (same one used by Deidara when he blows up something) and spit out water? Water bullets I covered extensively earlier.
This is all very weak evidence.
You don't know that Orochimaru would have bit off his tongue if possible. He simply chose a different way to break it, by attempting to use "Kai" release. Databook scores don't mean jack to me, sorry. Itachi ended up cutting off Orochimaru's hand, and the pain woke up Orochimaru because he managed to escape in the end and
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. And just because Kisame can TOLERATE pain doesn't mean he can't feel pain.
I see absolutely no reason why Kisame can't
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so the pain will break him out of a 3 tomoe genjutsu like it did with another genjutsu, then Samehada heals his tongue and grows him a new one. You are really overrating 3T genjutsu. In your opinion, what exactly are the requirements to break it? If extreme pain or Kai release doesn't work, does it HAVE to be partner method?
Then he doesn't get caught period. You arguments so far have been:
1. Crow genjutsu one shots before he uses water dome.
2. Water bullets one shot before he uses water dome.
Both of them I've addressed extensively. You need to just accept that from this distance Itachi can't stop water dome from happening.
Lmao? What is so huge about that range? It's not that far at all.
Ok.
When did kunais pierce him with ease? A sword could barely pierce him. Those water bullets couldn't even drill through a wall of water, no way are they drilling a hole through Kisame, and not to mention Samehada would absorb them before they make contact.
Tell me how a clone is getting that close to Kisame in the first place.
Actually, he can. When you can't come up with evidence to prove he can't do it, all you do is scream "no feats" and dump it on something like chakra control when it's not even relevant.
