[VS] Kisame vs Gokage (GAUNLET)

[Conspirator.]

I don't understand yet again, how does Kisame lose to Ay? How does Onoki win? Do people not realise this is ocean location, meaning 1000 sharks end nearly anyone, including Onoki whose Jinton can't cover such an AOE.

Ah I didn't read the location properly. My bad. In an ocean environment, Kisame definitely beats Ay with moves like thousand sharks, numerous water clones, water prison jutsus and stuff. I still think he loses to Onoki though for the same reasons as I stated in the above post.

 

[Apêx1]

Ah I didn't read the location properly. My bad. In an ocean environment, Kisame definitely beats Ay with moves like thousand sharks, numerous water clones, water prison jutsus and stuff. I still think he loses to Onoki though for the same reasons as I stated in the above post.

Alright.
And regarding Onoki, Onoki cannot utilise his Jinton proficiently when Kisame is using his Suiton Bunshin. You may say Onoki's Iwabunshin will defeat them all with boulder weighted technique, but that is false since the second Onoki's Bunshin goes to touch Kisame's clone, he can be put into the water prison like this [

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]. Onoki's Jinton won't be much of a problem, Kisame can simply absorb it with his body by fusing with Samehada. Onoki's Jinton is demolished by Daikodan, and at that point Onoki will have no where to run since his Jinton has not only empowered the Daikodan, but has also caused him to be surprised (since no intel of it), and thus fail to react. Onoki's flight isn't too much of a problem when Kisame's Suiton can allow him to reach many hundreds of meters above ground level.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Alright.
And regarding Onoki, Onoki cannot utilise his Jinton proficiently when Kisame is using his Suiton Bunshin. You may say Onoki's Iwabunshin will defeat them all with boulder weighted technique, but that is false since the second Onoki's Bunshin goes to touch Kisame's clone, he can be put into the water prison like this [

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]. Onoki's Jinton won't be much of a problem, Kisame can simply absorb it with his body by fusing with Samehada. Onoki's Jinton is demolished by Daikodan, and at that point Onoki will have no where to run since his Jinton has not only empowered the Daikodan, but has also caused him to be surprised (since no intel of it), and thus fail to react. Onoki's flight isn't too much of a problem when Kisame's Suiton can allow him to reach many hundreds of meters above ground level.

Ōnoki can use numerous Jinton. They escape Water Prison by making a golem inside of it, or making their own weight sufficient enough to fall out of the prison, or simply use Jinton in the prison. Kisame cannot absorb something on the molecular level, he needs to make contact with the target to absorb it, as soon as Jinton makes contact with him he gets decimated. Preta was able to absorb it because the user can use barriers to absorb. Same thing applies for Daikouden. Though Daikouden is Kisames trump card, while Ōnoki can fire many Jintons as he pleases. Ōnoki makes the weight of Daikouden that of a meteor. Many hundread meters above ground level is a great overexaduration.

BTW, while I agree that with only manga intel Kisame would beat Ei (Though with full intel Ei stomps him). 1000 Sharks are not doing anything to him.

 

[super yang]

kisame stops at Ei even w/ healing

 

[Apêx1]

Ōnoki can use numerous Jinton. They escape Water Prison by making a golem inside of it, or making their own weight sufficient enough to fall out of the prison, or simply use Jinton in the prison. Kisame cannot absorb something on the molecular level, he needs to make contact with the target to absorb it, as soon as Jinton makes contact with him he gets decimated. Preta was able to absorb it because the user can use barriers to absorb. Same thing applies for Daikouden. Though Daikouden is Kisames trump card, while Ōnoki can fire many Jintons as he pleases. Ōnoki makes the weight of Daikouden that of a meteor. Many hundread meters above ground level is a great overexaduration (Lol).

@bold If they use rock golem in water prison, the clone dies since there's too much pressure on his body. I don't recall heavy veighted technique working on liquid substances, nor see how that is molecularly possible. Jinton isn't usable, their ands are immobile within the water prison.

@underlined Jinton isn't on a molecular level, whatever it affects is broken down in the molecular level, but it itself isn't molecular. Thus Kisame still absorbs it with his

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until proven otherwise. Not to mention Kisame's speed is drastically increased in that form, so swimming in the ocean while

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is a massive advantage for Kisame, whereas Onoki may not realise Kisame's location. So no, once it makes contact it is abosrbed before it can bypass any of his skin. I don't see your point with Daikodan being his trump either.. One Daikodan countering a Jinton ends the fight, he doesn't need more at all since the fight would be over. And again, water's weight cannot be increased in such a way, don't see where you are getting that from. And no, Kisame used 1000 sharks to go above the water, and each of the sharks was larger than Kisame. That was in fact several hundred meters..

BTW, while I agree that with only manga intel Kisame would beat Ei (Though with full intel Ei stomps him). 1000 Sharks are not doing anything to him.

Alright, and I know.

 

[Beans2]

Stops at Tsunade.

Tsunade's only notable powers are her super strength, sunmoning jutsu, chakra reserves, and healing. And Kisame surpasses her in all of those.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

@bold If they use rock golem in water prison, the clone dies since there's too much pressure on his body. I don't recall heavy veighted technique working on liquid substances, nor see how that is molecularly possible. Jinton isn't usable, their ands are immobile within the water prison.

Golems can also be made without using the mouth, though I don't see real life physics to humans applying to a Ninja in Naruto. I meant using the weight technique on oneself. Sure they are, Naruto was fighting off a shark in the prison.

@underlined Jinton isn't on a molecular level, whatever it affects is broken down in the molecular level, but it itself isn't molecular. Thus Kisame still absorbs it with his

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until proven otherwise. Not to mention Kisame's speed is drastically increased in that form, so swimming in the ocean while

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is a massive advantage for Kisame, whereas Onoki may not realise Kisame's location. So no, once it makes contact it is abosrbed before it can bypass any of his skin. I don't see your point with Daikodan being his trump either.. One Daikodan countering a Jinton ends the fight, he doesn't need more at all since the fight would be over. And again, water's weight cannot be increased in such a way, don't see where you are getting that from. And no, Kisame used 1000 sharks to go above the water, and each of the sharks was larger than Kisame. That was in fact several hundred meters..

Yes, that's molecular level damage. Kisame does not absorb it, because, like stated prior, Jinton affects on the molecular level. Kisame has to absorb on touch and he cannot absorb chakra instantly. Swimming in the ocean won't affect someone who is high up in the air. That's only an advantage against Ei, Tsunade and Mei. The fight wouldn't be over, as Ōnoki can effectively counter Daikouden. In the case of the shark, it takes solid water form, its weight can be increased. If it does not take solid water form (which it does) it gets poped like a buble from the side. And you arew wrong, the 1000 sharks are mainly in the width, as far as length goes, there at most, are around 10 sharks (looking upwards)

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. No more then 200m.

Tsunade's only notable powers are her super strength, sunmoning jutsu, chakra reserves, and healing. And Kisame surpasses her in all of those.

He does not surpass her in strength, nor does he surpass her in healing (they are equal at best, though I would say with Byakougo Tsunade has the edge in that department).

 

[Apêx1]

Golems can also be made without using the mouth, though I don't see real life physics to humans applying to a Ninja in Naruto. I meant using the weight technique on oneself. Sure they are, Naruto was fighting off a shark in the prison.

What???? I'm saying wherever the rock golem is, he will still be within the water dome, thus whomever is inside will get crushed by the pressure.
And don't be an idiot, there was no one maintain the water prison [

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], in contrast to the one being maintained where Lee said he couldn't move [

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]. So my point stands, and your point doesn't.

Yes, that's molecular level damage. Kisame does not absorb it, because, like stated prior, Jinton affects on the molecular level. Kisame has to absorb on touch and he cannot absorb chakra instantly. Swimming in the ocean won't affect someone who is high up in the air. That's only an advantage against Ei, Tsunade and Mei. The fight wouldn't be over, as Ōnoki can effectively counter Daikouden. In the case of the shark, it takes solid water form, its weight can be increased. If it does not take solid water form (which it does) it gets poped like a buble from the side. And you arew wrong, the 1000 sharks are mainly in the width, as far as length goes, there at most, are around 10 sharks (looking upwards)

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. No more then 200m.

You said Jinton is molecular, but it isn't. It simply damages on a molecular level, so what you said priorly was wrong. Kisame absorbed all tails of v2 Bee. That's more than enough to indicate Jinton's far lower quantity of chakra is absorbed instantly. Yes it will. Why? Because swimming doesn't take chakra, Onoki's flying does, so Kisame is at an advantage, not to mention he can dodge all of Onoki's jutsu, or absorb them. He can counter them and then win the fight after having seen Jinton for the first time.
@bold Clearly retarded. It's called shape transformation, the Suiton is still Suiton, so water molecules are still water molecules. Its weight cannot be increased no matter what you choose to argue. Not to mention, you say that Onoki will use heavy boulder on it, correct? By the time he can do that, he would have to be in its range, and since heavy weighted boulder isn't instant (and nor is Onoki's reaction/hand speed), then he will be within the Daikodan. Once that has happened, he heavy weights it and takes the full impact of the Daikodan's weight. So even in your retarded scenario, he loses. And what the ****... I said Kisame is the size of the shark's he is standing on, the ones below are their full bodies going vertically up. Each of those fit over 10 Kisame's, so my point still stands. And do note there are no sharks at the bottom of the jutsu, thus that needs to be accounted for as well. So my point stands, a hundred meters+. And okay, 200m sounds reasonable, Onoki won't be above that anyways, unless he wants his Jinton to guarantee a miss every time (and even lose sight of Kisame since he's underwater)..

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

What???? I'm saying wherever the rock golem is, he will still be within the water dome, thus whomever is inside will get crushed by the pressure.
And don't be an idiot, there was no one maintain the water prison [

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], in contrast to the one being maintained where Lee said he couldn't move [

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]. So my point stands, and your point doesn't.

What? The activation of the Rock Golem within the small buble will POP it instantly. No one is getting crushed. Lee could move, you could see that his position changes in the water prison, what he couldn't do was move with enough force to break out. Either way, I have already countered Water Prison.

You said Jinton is molecular, but it isn't. It simply damages on a molecular level, so what you said priorly was wrong. Kisame absorbed all tails of v2 Bee. That's more than enough to indicate Jinton's far lower quantity of chakra is absorbed instantly. Yes it will. Why? Because swimming doesn't take chakra, Onoki's flying does, so Kisame is at an advantage, not to mention he can dodge all of Onoki's jutsu, or absorb them. He can counter them and then win the fight after having seen Jinton for the first time.
@bold Clearly retarded. It's called shape transformation, the Suiton is still Suiton, so water molecules are still water molecules. Its weight cannot be increased no matter what you choose to argue. Not to mention, you say that Onoki will use heavy boulder on it, correct? By the time he can do that, he would have to be in its range, and since heavy weighted boulder isn't instant (and nor is Onoki's reaction/hand speed), then he will be within the Daikodan. Once that has happened, he heavy weights it and takes the full impact of the Daikodan's weight. So even in your retarded scenario, he loses. And what the ****... I said Kisame is the size of the shark's he is standing on, the ones below are their full bodies going vertically up. Each of those fit over 10 Kisame's, so my point still stands. And do note there are no sharks at the bottom of the jutsu, thus that needs to be accounted for as well. So my point stands, a hundred meters+. And okay, 200m sounds reasonable, Onoki won't be above that anyways, unless he wants his Jinton to guarantee a miss every time (and even lose sight of Kisame since he's underwater)..

Or I was right and you simply couldn't read the context. Kisame did not instantly absorb all the tails, he was bear hugging him for a decent amount of time, which indicates that he cannot absorb instantly. And therefore, the second he makes contact with Jinton, he gets disintegrated. The amount of chakra flying takes is so minuscule its insignificant, flying for him is the equivalent of walking, he does it all day everyday. He will go in CQC at some point, and when he does, its GG. No matter how you look at it, he looses.

Ōnoki can definitely raise the weight of Daikouden. Its weight can be increased, just like Water Prisons weight/density. Daikouden is shaped, meanwhile regular water is not, there fore regular water cannot really have its weight raised while water that takes up a form can since it has a noticeable density. lol WTF? Daikouden is like a missile, Kisame fires it, Ōnoki's clones or Ōnoki himself bring it down from its side while it continues moving towards its intended target. While its true that each of them fit a lot of Kisames vertically, the wave does not show 10+ full body sharks, it consists of like 10 of their heads stacked up on each other (from what is shown) while the majority of the body's are behind the shark under it. 200m is not several hundred meters, its a couple. Ōnoki might not be flying above that, but he CAN fly out of its range if he wishes. He is not restricted to being under 200m above ground level. Those Sharks don't form instantly, by the time they all stack up on each other Ōnoki will be 400m in the air, as I am sure he has the common sense to fly higher everytime the wave gets larger.

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Without healing I'd say he stops at Ay.

Although Onoki should take him regardless.

 

[RicardoA]

He can beat any of them imo. Tough guy Kisame.

 

[KameSennin]

Kisame would win

 

[TRE MERCER]

If v2 bee could blow his chest open then v2 Ay is blowing his chest open.
The only way he was able to continue fighting bee was by healing. No healing? He passes the fck out like sasuke did after the second one.


@paws. If its no healing in between fights then he shouldn't even make it to ay.

He isn't making it to Ei? Tsunade gets negged Mei gets negged... Raikage have 0 counters Water dome...

 

[BenjerminGaye]

He isn't making it to Ei? Tsunade gets negged Mei gets negged... Raikage have 0 counters Water dome...

Tsunade maybe bUT me most definitely dosent.
Her scale when it comes to water mathe same or surpasses kisame. Then there's her kkg's.
Love how you hopped over garra tho..
and
water dome is the dummiest thing to do to ay since he can just run his chakra through it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Tsunade maybe bUT me most definitely dosent.
Her scale when it comes to water mathe same or surpasses kisame. Then there's her kkg's.
Love how you hopped over garra tho..
and
water dome is the dummiest thing to do to ay since he can just run his chakra through it.

Mei gets negged worst than Tsunadi she isn't controlling water that's under Kisame's chakra... Samehada aborbs anything she offers Cqc she gets negged... Gaara loses to... Once Samehada is absorbed everything in his arsenal becomes moot... Raikage chakra simply gets absorbed...