Kisame vs Deidara

[Haizaki]

@River & Evani

Intel is manga and Kisame is unaware of C4 and C3

Ok then we'll go with what river said or my first plan. Kisame when merges can sense. The bombs are made out of chakra therefore their chakra would be absorbed before contact is even made.

Not to mention Kisame flying out of their range is just Kisame being smart. Deidara would never blow himself off would he? So going to Deidara's position to evade C4 is nothing wrong at all or doesn't indicate he has full intel. Sasuke had zero intel and did the same.

GSB counters C3 while being in water gives him an advantage. The again, the probability of this being a long range fight is extremely low since Kisame can take flight as well and is also fast. Deidara would have to use clay to make his bird if he wants to take flight. Waterdome can be used before that and it's over. Though I'm assuming he's not going to resort to it from the start

Deidara wins. the only way Kisame can win if he can get to Deidara bombs before they go off. There's always c0.

Sure. This is the prep for C4

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. C0 is restricted.

 

[LuckyMan]

He doesn't need intel. All Deidara uses is bombs. Bombs, bombs and bombs. If Sasuke found out and perfectly countered the C4 in time, all Kisame needs to do is absorb those bombs. C3 is also just a bomb, which doesn't function with or have special abilities. So Daikōdan would absorb that, regardless. What's bad for Deidara here, is that he doesn't know anything about the dome. Once he is in it, it's over for Deidara because he can't counter it at all.​

Deidara can use clay or shadow clones to escape the water dome and it will never catch him anyway because he can fly. Sasuke discovery of C4 is irrelevant, just because he did does not mean Kisame will too. I could easily argue that Deidara would discover Kisames abilities all because Bee and Gyuki did and that makes no sense.

Between the time Kisame makes his water dome Deidara will be already in the air without a doubt beyond Kisames reaches. Then what?

 

[TheTailedSage]

Hella crack heads on this thread! how the hell is kisame winning? 90% of Kisames jutsu can get countered.

Kisame has no knowledge on C4 or C3

The only thing Kisame can catch Deidara with is Water dome and even that can get countered. Deidara sends in a hord of fish bombs and its K'O

1000 sharks cant hit Deidara and even if it could flying out of range enough for him to effectively counter with C2 dragon would be the counter; running away is an option but thats not really a fight.

Remember, Deidara can release the bombs before Samehada even gets a chance to absorb the chakra inside it.

 

[super yang]

water sharks safely intercept fish bombs

if the bomb releases/detonates away from kisames near vicinity...

C3 is an obviously larger clay bomb than the other clay bombs, intel isn't necessary. daikodan...

 

[AlphaScythian]

Could go either way.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Ok then we'll go with what river said or my first plan. Kisame when merges can sense. The bombs are made out of chakra therefore their chakra would be absorbed before contact is even made.

Not to mention Kisame flying out of their range is just Kisame being smart. Deidara would never blow himself off would he? So going to Deidara's position to evade C4 is nothing wrong at all or doesn't indicate he has full intel. Sasuke had zero intel and did the same.

GSB counters C3 while being in water gives him an advantage. The again, the probability of this being a long range fight is extremely low since Kisame can take flight as well and is also fast. Deidara would have to use clay to make his bird if he wants to take flight. Waterdome can be used before that and it's over. Though I'm assuming he's not going to resort to it from the start



Sure. This is the prep for C4

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Didn't even mention c4. Didn't see that restriction. C3 is enough. GSB isn't happening when birds are constantly attacking him. Once C3 goes off gg Kisame.

 

[Haizaki]

Hella crack heads on this thread! how the hell is kisame winning? 90% of Kisames jutsu can get countered.

Kisame has no knowledge on C4 or C3

The only thing Kisame can catch Deidara with is Water dome and even that can get countered. Deidara sends in a hord of fish bombs and its K'O

1000 sharks cant hit Deidara and even if it could flying out of range enough for him to effectively counter with C2 dragon would be the counter; running away is an option but thats not really a fight.

Remember, Deidara can release the bombs before Samehada even gets a chance to absorb the chakra inside it.

Everything here has been countered before.

Having no knowledge on a jutsu doesn't mean you're going to get hit by it. Kisame has knowledge on Deidera's clay bombs as he was there when he fought Itachi.

Again. C3 gets countered by GSB, Kisame can take flight as well to evade C4. He has to make clays to take flight. Pretty sure Kisame wouldn't be watching during that period.

Deidara would detonate the bombs when Kisame inhales it, Samehada would absorb the chakra. Funny thing is that you're assuming Deidara has intel on it so he's going to detonate the bombs before their chakra is absorbed Lol. He doesn't have intel as well.

 

[Haizaki]

Didn't even mention c4. Didn't see that restriction. C3 is enough. GSB isn't happening when birds are constantly attacking him. Once C3 goes off gg Kisame.

Doesn't Kisamae have clone and sharks? I don't know where you're getting this birds are constantly attacking him. from.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Doesn't Kisamae have clone and sharks? I don't know where you're getting this birds are constantly attacking him. from.

Ehh your right about the clone thing. Since Deidara clay is limited im going to change my mind and give this to Kisame high difficulty.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Everything here has been countered before.

Having no knowledge on a jutsu doesn't mean you're going to get hit by it. Kisame has knowledge on Deidera's clay bombs as he was there when he fought Itachi.

Again. C3 gets countered by GSB, Kisame can take flight as well to evade C4. He has to make clays to take flight. Pretty sure Kisame wouldn't be watching during that period.

Deidara would detonate the bombs when Kisame inhales it, Samehada would absorb the chakra. Funny thing is that you're assuming Deidara has intel on it so he's going to detonate the bombs before their chakra is absorbed Lol. He doesn't have intel as well.

But you seem to be over looking some factors here, Hebi sasuke was barely able to evade C2 with no knowledge WITH CM the first time. Someone like Kisame hasn't displayed the agility nor feats to counter a close ranged attack with such destructive radius before. Feats suggest he will have trouble dealing with clay bombs. Deidara couldn't fight properly on Itachi encounter because he was trapped in a genjutsu seconds after the battle started, so kisame has little knowledge however basic knowledge on the clay bombs.

If Kisame has no knowledge on C3 then what makes you think that he will use it to counter a bomb that doesn't look any bigger than a C2 dragon? for all you know he's more likely to waste a GSB on a C2 dragon because of the size. And your forgetting Deidara can detonate the bomb at any time he wants so GSB is technically useless against it if it cant absorb the chakra in time.

Kisame has no knowledge of C4 though and lets face it, he wouldnt be able to out run the radius because last time i checked, deidara sets it off seconds after its on the field.

Kisame can only absorb C4 chakra if he's fused with Samehada , if they are separated, there is nothing Kisame can do to counter it once its in his system. Im not assuming much, think about it, C4 isn't the first jutsu he's going to use and he will soon realize after going from C1 to C2 that Kisame has the ability to nullify certain attacks and will keep that in mind.

 

[super yang]

C2 landmines r size of a football
C2 dragon missiles r size of mature akamaru
C3 is slightly larger of a stage 3 susano'o

let C3 explode before it gets to the ground...
let daikodan shoot down the dragon ''airship'' as deidara rides it & before C2 missiles r launched, since its big....

 

[copyninKakashi]

If Kisame go underwater sub, I think C4 Karura can't damaged him because of the water?

 

[Haizaki]

But you seem to be over looking some factors here, Hebi sasuke was barely able to evade C2 with no knowledge WITH CM the first time. Someone like Kisame hasn't displayed the agility nor feats to counter a close ranged attack with such destructive radius before. Feats suggest he will have trouble dealing with clay bombs.

That attack on Hebi Sasuke wasn't close range since it prompted him to note Deidara was a long range fighter

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C2's attacks shouldn't be a problem when Kisame can take flight with his shark to cover the distance between him and Deidara or to simply avoid them considering its speed

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. Clones can act as diversion and 1000 sharks can keep him busy as well. Flooding the place would help reduce the impact of the bombs as well as slow them down if it's inside. There's also the fact that he can go underground while Deidara won't know where he is as it took the byakugan to find him

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. He can use this and proceed to come out of his blind spot while the clones and shark keep him busy by distracting him. Either way he can move while on air with speed so C2 and its attacks shouldn't be a problem for him at all.

Deidara couldn't fight properly on Itachi encounter because he was trapped in a genjutsu seconds after the battle started, so kisame has little knowledge however basic knowledge on the clay bombs.

Pretty sure he knows the clay can explode

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. That's pretty much all he needs to know

If Kisame has no knowledge on C3 then what makes you think that he will use it to counter a bomb that doesn't look any bigger than a C2 dragon? for all you know he's more likely to waste a GSB on a C2 dragon because of the size. And your forgetting Deidara can detonate the bomb at any time he wants so GSB is technically useless against it if it cant absorb the chakra in time.

You have a point with the bold. I more than believe from C3's size, GSB would be used since C2 is more of a bird for flight and Deidara stand rights on top of it. C3 on the other hand is an attack dropped towards Kisame.
Though that means C3 would be useless since its aim which would be to kill Kisame would be nullified by GSB forcing it to explode before it gets to Kisame. Then again if Kisame is the air, I don't know how C3 would be effective.

Kisame has no knowledge of C4 though and lets face it, he wouldnt be able to out run the radius because last time i checked, deidara sets it off seconds after its on the field.

Sasuke had no knowledge and yet he countered it. If he sees Deidara's position, nothing stops him from going to him similar to what Sasuke did or taking flight out of its range and then Deidara surely can't inhale it as well. Then again, have you seen C4's prep time?

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GSB GGG

Kisame can only absorb C4 chakra if he's fused with Samehada , if they are separated, there is nothing Kisame can do to counter it once its in his system. Im not assuming much, think about it, C4 isn't the first jutsu he's going to use and he will soon realize after going from C1 to C2 that Kisame has the ability to nullify certain attacks and will keep that in mind.

Nothing stops him from fusing at the start of the match with almost no intel.

 

[RicardoA]

Deidara wins, high-diff.

Once again C4 blows the competition... I also want to point out that Deidara can shape his clay to fit the environment, therefore moving underwater won't be a problem.

 

[Bogard]

Deidara wins. He is bad match-up for Kisame

Doton > Suiton
Samehada hates fire and the explosive clay have great heat. Not to mention it actually needs contact with the technique to absorb and clay can explode before hand

His water dome is useless against a flying opponent and so is pretty much all his water source suiton technique. He can't detect Deidara's trump card as well unless he fuse his Samehada maybe

 

[Rιver]

Deidara can use clay or shadow clones to escape the water dome and it will never catch him anyway because he can fly. Sasuke discovery of C4 is irrelevant, just because he did does not mean Kisame will too. I could easily argue that Deidara would discover Kisames abilities all because Bee and Gyuki did and that makes no sense.

Between the time Kisame makes his water dome Deidara will be already in the air without a doubt beyond Kisames reaches. Then what?

Kage Bunshin wouldn't counter it. If he makes clones, those clones are hunt down by sharks that are much faster than him. Also, C4 is just smaller bombs. So what he would sense is chakra around him. Explain why would he not absorb the C4? Exactly.

Let's say Deidara was not in the dome already. His only chance would be dropping a miniature fish, which can only travel underwater. What would happen if Kisame deactivated the dome? The fish would sink on the ground. The scenario I explained just replicates itself.​

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[LuckyMan]

Kage Bunshin wouldn't counter it. If he makes clones, those clones are hunt down by sharks that are much faster than him. Also, C4 is just smaller bombs. So what he would sense is chakra around him. Explain why would he not absorb the C4? Exactly.​

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How will Kisame create sharks in his Water Dome? His hands are webbed so he can't even weave hand signs to use jutsu. He would need to unfuse to use regular jutsu and that defeats the purpose of the Water Dome.

Let's say Deidara was not in the dome already. His only chance would be dropping a miniature fish, which can only travel underwater. What would happen if Kisame deactivated the dome? The fish would sink on the ground. The scenario I explained just replicates itself.​

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He can drop anything, a fish, a dragon, or a bird and blow him up.

You entire premise is that Kisame immediately goes into Water Dome and senses Deidara's C4 Bombs and counters C3 etc when 1: the intel of this fight is manga, which means they are both unaware of most the others abilities. All they have is a general idea of what the other can do, Kisame knows Deidara uses bombs, Deidara knows Kisame uses water style and thats pretty much it. 2: In a realistic situation, Kisame is not going Water Dome right at the start with no intel on his opponent however, Deidara is flying up beyond Kisame's reach right at the start to bomb him because thats his fighting style/technique and thats just what he does. He has done it in literally every fight he has been in. 3: Kisame's Water style is countered by Deidara's Earth Style anyway.

Kisame is stronger than Deidara but because of the nature of his abilities, Deidara defeats Kisame.

 

[naruto7861]

Kisame can't even reach Diedara if he is using his bird I see Diedara winning high diff

 

[Baki of the sand]

Kisame wins 6/10 times, Deidara 4/10

 

[Rιver]

How will Kisame create sharks in his Water Dome? His hands are webbed so he can't even weave hand signs to use jutsu. He would need to unfuse to use regular jutsu and that defeats the purpose of the Water Dome.

Who said he has to create them? Firstly, a clone can always do the job to create sharks. Secondly, he doesn't need human hands for Kuchiyose; only his blood and hands to do the Kuchiyose with.​

He can drop anything, a fish, a dragon, or a bird and blow him up.

You entire premise is that Kisame immediately goes into Water Dome and senses Deidara's C4 Bombs and counters C3 etc when 1: the intel of this fight is manga, which means they are both unaware of most the others abilities. All they have is a general idea of what the other can do, Kisame knows Deidara uses bombs, Deidara knows Kisame uses water style and thats pretty much it. 2: In a realistic situation, Kisame is not going Water Dome right at the start with no intel on his opponent however, Deidara is flying up beyond Kisame's reach right at the start to bomb him because thats his fighting style/technique and thats just what he does. He has done it in literally every fight he has been in. 3: Kisame's Water style is countered by Deidara's Earth Style anyway.

Kisame is stronger than Deidara but because of the nature of his abilities, Deidara defeats Kisame.

The bird and dragon don't explode themselves. The bird allows only flight and the dragon allows both flight and missile explosives. A fish can't travel on air, which Kisame can easily dodge and reduce the impact with his Suiton or he can go underground Doton: Dochū Senkō. A Suiton large enough would both take the impact and flood Deidara if he's on ground. If he's on air, Kisame can make multiple Mizu Bunshin's that travel inside the Suiryūdan and simultaneously bomb him with Suiton: Dai Bakusui Shōha's that bring him down on his level, while Kisame is still underground.

He doesn't need intel, as I said. All Deidara uses is explosives. That's his only attacking style, and he constantly tells people that art is an explosion. Also, Kisame is a chakra hungry shark: literally. So why wouldn't he absorb C4 and C3, if they're just bombs?

In realistic situation, yes; but that still doesn't mean Deidara automatically beats him. Kisame has a way to get to his reach, and Kisame can counter his explosives. Heck, he doesn't even need to get there since he can bring the dragon or bird down by extending his Samehada and absorbing it. It's only a matter of time until Deidara is brought down, trapped in dome and you know. Even if C4 is released before that (which he wouldn't exactly do), Samehada can always absorb the chakra that comes nearby since it's a sensor. I also don't think Kisame would be dumb enough to not go underground once such happens and leave his Mizu Bunshin to handle the matter.

Deidara doesn't have any other Doton style except Doton: Moguragakure no Jutsu or his clays.​