Not understanding the thought process that: Kisame can't release the same amount of chakra as CM2 Sauce yet he instantly fueled a sturdy percentage of his chakra pools into a Kagebunshin which supersedes CM2 Sasuke in chakra content and Enma being a pseudo object makes him immune to chakra absorbtion despite chakra being versatile and flexible on And through subatomic thresholds. Not understanding how a fuuton jutsu breaks the laws of physics within a water dome and resists instantly becoming a giant bubble in the WD. Not understanding how a Oil tanker floats on water yet a rock lid which being a lid means that its segregated from the rock around it and although this segregation is large enough for water molecules to pass through and even given buoyancy properties of the lid that it would float once the weight of the entire volume of water becomes greater than its own that it won't just because and this is logical. Then there's Baku, Hiruzen given a limitless production level of mastery over a jutsu simply because he can use the jutsu and Danzo and Hiruzen intercepting the opponent without analyzing their actions at the very beginning of a match. In truth Kisame would have the first move because Danzo would start by activating Izanagi to secure himself throughout the match and there's nothing Hiruzen could do to prevent Kisame from changing the battle field to suit his liking.
Not understanding the thought process that: Kisame can't release the same amount of chakra as CM2 Sauce yet he instantly fueled a sturdy percentage of his chakra pools into a Kagebunshin which supersedes CM2 Sasuke in chakra content and Enma being a pseudo object makes him immune to chakra absorbtion despite chakra being versatile and flexible on And through subatomic thresholds. Not understanding how a fuuton jutsu breaks the laws of physics within a water dome and resists instantly becoming a giant bubble in the WD. Not understanding how a Oil tanker floats on water yet a rock lid which being a lid means that its segregated from the rock around it and although this segregation is large enough for water molecules to pass through and even given buoyancy properties of the lid that it would float once the weight of the entire volume of water becomes greater than its own that it won't just because and this is logical. Then there's Baku, Hiruzen given a limitless production level of mastery over a jutsu simply because he can use the jutsu and Danzo and Hiruzen intercepting the opponent without analyzing their actions at the very beginning of a match. In truth Kisame would have the first move because Danzo would start by activating Izanagi to secure himself throughout the match and there's nothing Hiruzen could do to prevent Kisame from changing the battle field to suit his liking.
I never said it would have been done instantly but its not being stopped. How are they pressuring him? Hiruzen's Ninjutsu and Emma are useless and charkas absorbed. If Danzo fires a fuuton at Kisame, the portion of the Fuuton blade that's going to affect Kisame is absorbed by Samehada and if Baku tries to suck Kisame in since the large volumes of water closer to him will be sucked in first ; once it fills his oral cavity there's no longer an air vacuum of suction and the pressure will build into either it or its nasal cavity pops.
Since when are multiple ninjutsu aimed @ one target in different pathways useless? Kisame will literally have to find a point to which Samehada can absorb all five natures, then on top of that you saw Enma is useless, and that is beyond false obviously.. From Hiruzen's corner Kisame has to worry about six things: Five different elemental assaults coming to him in different directions, and then you've got Enma once of the hardest substances in the NV.
Then you've got Danzo, who possesses Baku. Baku literally shits on any water ninjutsu, so wait let's actually say Kisame tries to spit out a lake-sized dome, and Baku is active. While Kisame is conjuring his dome, Baku starts to inhale causing the water Kisame is spewing to be sucked into the animals void-like stomach.
But like I was saying Kisame isn't getting water dome off. It's literally impossible. Think about it, what's Kisame going to do with Samehada? Swing it around moronically hoping to absorb said ninjutsu attacks?
WD requires a single hand making a single hand seal. It took like two panels time to completely engulf Bee in a massive body of water. It's like niggas just make up there own version of the manga these days.
Not understanding the thought process that: Kisame can't release the same amount of chakra as CM2 Sauce yet he instantly fueled a sturdy percentage of his chakra pools into a Kagebunshin which supersedes CM2 Sasuke in chakra content
What ever this comment was referring to, is this implying that Kisame chakra capacity enables him to break a curse seal? Or is this comment making another point?
Not understanding how a Oil tanker floats on water yet a rock lid which being a lid means that its segregated from the rock around it and although this segregation is large enough for water molecules to pass through and even given buoyancy properties of the lid that it would float once the weight of the entire volume of water becomes greater than its own that it won't just because and this is logical.
Its hard to understand this 1 long ass sentence. Not sure what you mean or comparing at bold, and how it relates to each other. But if a Giant Rock, with a flat surface, falling with great height, gets slam on surface it would easily bury itself on the ground, very much like Food Cart Destroyer. Now take into consideration the this pile of rock is also not too far from the Water Domes size (when comparing the Dome to a Boss Summon). It easily covers more then 40% of its mass.
1. Both have full intel.
2. One character has the Sharingan, so he easily reads through Kisame's hand seals and predicts what move his going to do.
3. One is a skill Shinobi capable of perceive a jutsu, instantly figures out how to do it. Example RDS. Capable of examining what element jutsu is being used and counterbalances the attack.
They will have no issue seeing through what Kisame is up to.
In truth Kisame would have the first move because Danzo would start by activating Izanagi to secure himself throughout the match and there's nothing Hiruzen could do to prevent Kisame from changing the battle field to suit his liking.
The moment Izanagi is activated, the match is over. Danzo solos.
Only Hiruzen is going to have a good fight of his life here. And based on my premise, Hiruzen easily changes Earth Landscape to counter-balance the battle field location via lowering Kisame's space and elevating Hiruzen own space.
I was going to entertain Your weak remarks, but considering most cant handle it back. I'll spare you bro. You're welcome. haha
How about we show Kisame having anything close to what Sasuke (Inner Uchiha hate and chakra progress) and CMS2 like Tayuya. It isn't a "Power up your chakra the slow way a genin could do" scenerio as seen in cannon. Sasukes inner hate and rage increases his chakra (cannon) and it exploded even though he previously coulcn't even maintain a weaker susanoo, fact! Tayuya is an even worse example for you seeing as the boost from State 2 is enormous (10 times most the time)instantly! Agaisn, to keep it grade school simple, one has to expell a huge amount of chakra insantly like CM State 2, Kyubi transformations, etc etc. Kisame has huge chakra, Kisame has never ever explelled all of that chakra instantly or any like that. He simply has a huge chakra pool to work from.
Show feats to even come close to replicating Indra's incarne' and a CM state 2 transformation. (Just so you get it since you don't tend to allot, not saying he doesn't have allot of chakra. Saying prove he can burst it out at once to break the seal like you claim).
Don't need to. The Curse Seal was canonically broken by a large release of chakra. Manga fact, that you can not refute. Shikamaru specifically stated that Tayuya forced through his Shadow Mimic Technique with "immense chakra". That refers to the quantity of chakra, not quality. Neither Sasuke or Tayuya have anywhere close to Bijuu level reserves of chakra that Kisame possesses, so emitting/releasing it in order to break the seal will be no problem for Kisame. Due to the fact that his chakra reserves are so massive, emitting what would be classified as "a lot" for Sasuke and Tayuya, would be close to nothing for Kisame. The fact that the scale of his jutsu easily exceeds anything Sasuke or Tayuya can do, is proof that he can release a lot of chakra at once. And If you want to go ahead and state that Sasuke's rage played a huge factor, then Kisame canonically has that too [
Why is it that TAC (your best friend) and Ice' (your other BF) get what Ive stated in the slimpest of manners, but you can't? I'll break it down grade school again so you get what I mean (clearly you're lost).
1. Web fingers after transforming.
2. Most if not all his ninjutsu require the use of hand seals (complicated ones at that)
3. Web fingers for a fact prevents the use of handseals
4. Thus Ninjutsu with handseals cannot be used.
Tada! Reading the pictures does wanders I tell ya!
And Maintaining a Jutsu is not preforming a jutsu by the way. Even though you were super lost, you still were wrong in your own terms.
Yeah, nice attempt at save face. You knew you were proven to be utterly wrong, so you had to switch your argument up. If he can maintain jutsu while fused, then he can use jutsu while fused. Simple logic. Kishi specifically states it has no weakness, the manga butchers don't realize that this would be a major weakness/flaw.
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Web fingers don't get in the way of any of these jutsu. And it's not like Kisame doesn't possess the physical strength and pain resistance to force through the webbed fingers to create the seals. If worse comes to worse, he can create a Mizu Bunshin or perform whatever jutsu before fusing. It's not a big deal.
Have you heard of angles? Is that not a thing any more?
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I posted a Picture so you learn the possibilities. Youre welcome yet again bro. **Wink**
Enma isn't a monky while in Diamond form, he is now an object BTW. Stop comparing leaking chakra to no chakra being leaked. The situations do not compare for crying out loud. To think Kisame would dream of coming close to Enma would be suicide since he can clone himself at will instantly anytime. Diamond cage doesnt just protect or cage someone in. lol Thats cute. IT SHINKS AND SHEDS THEM INTO PIECES! Reread the databook son.
It's clear you know shit about Hiruzen, which makes this not even fair to be honest. Not to mention Danzo is present for the onslaught and none of your plans deals with both. Stay on OG Topic as well as beating both. Is that possible?
I was assuming you were going to use the grounds stability to propel himself upwards. If Hiruzen is going to have Enmas Pole extend in any angle, with no stability, then the Pole will simultaneously be sinking, and Kisamehada will simply follow it along with the WD, while absorbing all of Enmas chakra within seconds, making the whole attempt futile. Enma becoming an "object" doesn't change the very simple fact that it is still his physical body. If you looked at the scans I provided, chakra doesn't need to be physically tangible. With direct physical contact, Kisame can draw out chakra, as seen when he absorbed chakra out from Base Bee [
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It's clear you don't know anything about Kisame, because he's soloing any of these guys with full intel. The two of them together is the only thing even worth debating. None of my plans deal with both? So I didn't just say that the WD captures both of them? It's you that is utilizing them one by one, and not together. So that's your fault. Kisame only needs to go after one, and make sure that only one of them die from the WD, so that he can easily take down the other afterwards.
Concede on him not escaping, good boy. Good you got that grade school simple way since "WD GG" is your only argument ever besides "Chakra gone GG" lmao (even though he's never ever absorbed Bee's chakra instantly even though bee has far far far less then his Bijuu. Oh wait! Was it because the Bijuu's chakra was what was leaking and ablbe to be absorbed that bee's was Zapped instantly? Hmmmmm) Reads manga and sits Tea.
The equivalent of just stating that his Katon evaporates the whole dome. Give me serious arguments, and I'll address them. The notion of any jutsu simply propelling anyone out of the WD so fast that Kisamehada can't do anything about it just silly. Do better please. A) The WD actively absorbs chakra, B) Moving against water resistance greatly slows you down, and C) Kisamehada is extremely fast underwater. I have no idea what additional trash arguments you want to spew about Bee now, but you can continue to sip on your roofied tea and continue reading whatever manga Kishimoto never wrote lmao.
"WD GG" Is even more Retarded then "Totsuya bltz GG". Oh wait, you use both simple fan remarks to defend 2 of the easiest characters ever shown. lol Lmao To think Kisame instanly does all of that before Baku starts the suction from 40m. Bruh just stop:
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It's clear as day the summon was tooooooo big for the bridge and had to first establish balance and footing (Brace itself similar to a tractor getting ready to start to dig, or other things). Please learn simple things before you try your hardest to look smart bro.
You don't know how suctions work do you? NO matter how much water he can overall spit out, it still has to come out of his small mouth to exist! Baku's suction range is bigger then what he spits out per inch. The water continues to get spit out, then suck and dispelled. Not to mention Kisame himself WILL GET SUCKED WITH HIS WATER. LMMFAO To think he would perfectly be sitting/stading and spitting out water.
Please learn how suction works bro! Im begging you!!!!
To further keep it simple; Kisame and his water gets sucked into OBLIVION AT THE SAME TIME. (I capataliezed it so you can read better). You have to now prove how they dont with out defying physics and common sense.
Sure, bring up the other character that makes your ass jump as soon as he's mentioned. You're taking this very simple manga, and literally butchering it. Holy shit this is bad. Do you not know how fast Kisame can regurgitate a massive body of water?
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Please have the common sense to know when to apply real world logic into a cartoon. If we were to go by how much water Kisame can spew out by the size of his mouth, he'd be there for DAYS attempting to use this technique. Kisame spits out a giant body of water BIGGER then Backu's entire body within seconds, and you have the audacity to say it counters the WD. Please use your head. This amount of water isn't at all coming close to fitting in it's body, let alone just his mouth. Kisame won't be affected by the suction, until Baku can magically manage to suck in most of the water that lies in between, which isn't possible. Kisame simply forms the water Baku is sucking in, into a GSB, and one shots the thing. What a joke.
Never said planet or back to konoha, stop looking desperate for once. Izanagi spawn next to him and taps him. Simple, I swear to god it's that simple! He never ever once wanted to escape sasuke seeing he had advantage and wanted to kill him then kill tobi. Stop twisting the manga and read it for once. You first say Kisame absorbs theyre chakra via CQC, then you say Kisame keeps his distance and Izanagi cannot spawn near him since He'll be so far away aparently. Make up your mind and stop contradicting.
Number one, this was my response to NarutoX, not you. Number two, completely and laughably false with the bold, and just goes to show that your arguments are so bottom of the barrel trash that you have to make things up. Always with your usual desperate straw man arguments, try actually reading. Number three, if Danzo wants to touch Kisamehanda, then he can go right ahead and screw himself over by getting 6 tails worth of Bijuu chakra instantly absorbed, while Kisame breaks out of the seal.
You're looking super desperate now. The fight starts 40m which is wayy to much distance to form the seals with in 2 seconds (which was faster then sasuke could kill him with super god speed (you think that) susanoo arrow) after he summons Baku starting the fight form atop of his head or on his back. Or behind a Mud wall from Hiruzen the start of the fight as well as Baku being summoned.
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Kisames Tech first requires him to set Sama' to the side, fact! Then claps hands. Then mold the chakra, then spit it out. He had enough time to say a full sentence (which is how long it takes for him to mold the chakra then spit out unless you can prove it can be done sooner than its cannon use) It isnt super fast end all no one can ever react to jutsu. You look stupid desperate bro. Saying Izanagi want save him.... lmao Ok. I guess Kisame's Water jutsu is the end all be all that is above everything ever shown. Even though Itachi was suprised it was defeated. **Sigh**
Countered The retarded thought that they couldnt counter WD. Whats next for you?
Yeah, wouldn't be a proper Draegod post without butchering the manga with every chance you get huh? Under that scenario, Danzo formed the seals before Sasuke even used his Susano'o arrow. It is manga cannon that Danzo can form the seals once the arrow is
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. Try again. As shown above, the WD engulfs the whole surrounding area (way more then just 40m) in literally a few seconds. Baku or a mud wall isn't stopping it.
Then when you decide on removing your Ray Charles glasses, and look into the actual manga page you posted; you'd notice that it only takes a single hand, forming a single seal, in order to use the WD. The sentence-time argument in manga doesn't work. I can give you countless of examples of entire sentences being said while top tier speedsters like Rikudos are in movement.
Nothing but a huge fail out of you. Took me thing long to just want to take time out of my day to address it.
Where the hell did you get bold from? Itachi made no statement specifically addressing "jutsu vs jutsu" in both statement. He addressed that all jutsu has its flaws and weaknesses AND THEN addressed what he (or his team) could do to beat it AFTER. Thats a horrible reach to refute my point.
It has something to do based on the fact that we see that this jutsu flaws, only capable of tracking 1 person at a time.
Meant countering the oppositions jutsu with your own capabilities. My question was what does this have to do with your priorities argument, not the flaw of a jutsu. Still has nothing to do with Kisame being incapable of using his water source for whatever Suiton technique(s) he desires.
It does support me when your reading the whole thing: Can use "water" to make a firm body "can be created", The sentence implication leaves MORE room to what its also capable of doing. And also have Taijutsu as an example with its advantages. This Clone needs a water source to work, Bakusui Shoha is built for that, point? Clones can use 10 percent of the users ability, plus implied it can use its water source for more then jutsu a firm body. Point?
Lmaoooo. Just like Kisame can use "water" for any Suiton technique he wants, right? Or does the Shark Dance Technique now turn the water into a complete different substance. Please stop already. Trash ass arguments. The priorities of the Mizu Bunshin is to create a real firm and physical clone of the original, and even states it can use the originals abilities. Does the real Kisame have the capability to liquify his body like Suegetsu? Nope. Yet, the Mizu Bunshins can, despite the DB specifically stating that it takes on physical properties of the original. Once again, your priorities argument is garbage, and you know it. Everything you've been stating here holds no ground whatsoever.
Horrible horrible example to refute my point. Based on above and based on the fact that Mizu Bushin doesnt take the whole damn water source for the jutsu. The whole damn water source becomes movable, the whole damn water source becomes capable of absorbing chakra. The whole water is now used as Shark Dance.
The whole damn water source is still an existent and usable water source. The Mizu Bunshins not taking up the entire Bakusui Shōha is 100% irrelevant, because Kisame only used the specific water composed of the Mizu Bunshin in order to use a completely different Jutsu, not the entire Bakusui Shōha. So going by your exact same logic; some of the water source became a Mizu Bunshin, some of the water source became a firm physical copy of the original, some of the water source has the capabilities of the original; THAT VERY SAME WATER SOURC was STILL used for A COMPLETE DIFFERENT JUTSU. The same thing would apply with Water Shark Dance. Give it up, you know you're wrong here.
..."But just by touching my body". Kisame is referring to Bee latching on to him, and pulling him away to save his friends, as a good idea. You'd have a point only if Kisame said this in reference to Bee trying to bait Kisame away, but he didn't. On guard now referring to Bee's partial Hachibi transformation that surprised Kisame, which he commented on in disbelief of Bee being capable of doing that. Basically stating, simple head on tactics aren't going to work again on Kisame.
Bruhhhhhh! LMMFAO Is that It? I'm soooooo tempted to Body Bagging this post!!!!! But I'm bored and you still haven't proven anything with these pissy arguments to make me interested again. Next time reply in a timely fashoin Fool.
Bruhhhhhh! LMMFAO Is that It? I'm soooooo tempted to Body Bagging this post!!!!! But I'm bored and you still haven't proven anything with these pissy arguments to make me interested again. Next time reply in a timely fashoin Fool.
That weak ass Spirit bomb gets deflected back at your ass! lmao I'm too busy busting Beerus ass to worry about your weak ass arguments. haha Post something new, spike my interest again with out easy to defend characters that take zero skills. Speaking of which, when are you going to counter the Hyuga vs Uchiha debate fool?
@DrProof: It's useless. Hiruzen knowing that Kisame can absorb Chakra from his Ninjutsu and him being a competent fighter is enough reason for him not to even take such a route in an actual combat situation unless he's foolish enough to be feeding the opponent chakra simply because he can use the elements and nothing you stated about Enma prohibits its chakra from being absorbed on physical contact. It being a hard substance means nothing because we already know that Chakra can be fueled into the atomic structure of inanimate objects to increase their offence or defense just as Chojuro does with his katana. If it can be fueled into then it can also be extracted from and then again, Enma isnt a true object becausse the pole is his body which means his Tenketsu are readily available to be sucked dry by samehada. Applying the no limits fallacy to Baku's ability to inhale and its stomach being void-like doesn
't grant your point any merit because Baku exhales everything it inhales which means its doing nothing to Kisames jutsu and we do not know the limit of pressure it can withstand within its body so saying it can absorbs Kisames entire jutsu is nothing more than a baseless claim.
Prove to me chakra wise that Hiruzens flimsy Ninjutsu supersedes or even equates to the quantity of chakra samehada
can absorb in a few seconds. Enlighten me on what you're suggesting that Hiruzens Chakra pools match Kirabi's when in a TBV2 8T state composed fully of the Hachibis chakra. The only thing moronic will be Hiruzen running around firing Elemental jutsu at an opponent who he already knows can absorb his elemental jutsu. He's getting off the dome because there's nothing Danzo and Hiruzen can do to prohibit it from happening in the given situation.
Yes its implying Kisame has the chakra capacity to break a curse seal. Before you respond saying that he's never been shown to release large amounts of chakra: Ad Ignorantiam.
Chakra is an energy who's properties allows it to saturate objects even at a subatomic level. Adding that to the fact that Enma as a pole is his actual body leaves his Tenketsu subject to Samehadas absorption and do provide a scan (not examples) specifically stating that Samehada can ONLY absorb visible chakra and explain to me what is the difference between visible and invisible chakra because I've never come across such terminology in either the Databook or Manga but what has been noted is that Chakra is one consistent thing as a visible energy formed within the body of Shinobi.
Before I take what you say into any sort of consideration: Where's the proof that Hiruzen learnt that specific jutst and that his mastery over it is on par with what you're speculating? Where's the proof that the weight of the rock would be 40% of the total weight of the water dome unless you think size and weight are the same thing and what about resistance factors? Its not difficult to counter your point here but the reasoning behind it seems moot.
The ability to guesstimate your opponents move isn't the same as being able to counter it. This is something I addressed already. They have to way of preventing Kisame from using the WD.
Izanagi isn't saving Danzo given the multiple ways kisame can kill him and the number of times he'll drown in the WD. First of all Where's the proof that Hiruzen can alter the land scape to such an extent that it would contain Kisames suiton? Not that Kisame can't have the entire jutsu wave over the difference in levels but your premises are apparently speculations and vague overestimations.
Yes its implying Kisame has the chakra capacity to break a curse seal. Before you respond saying that he's never been shown to release large amounts of chakra: Ad Ignorantiam.
Ignorance would be for me to say its not possible to be true, because I havent seen it. I wont imply that.
I would clearly imply that chakra capacity =/= potent chakra. Kisame does not have powerful chakra, I know for a fact. What allowed Sasuke to escape, was the ability to gain even further power from his chakra, not by gaining more reserves. YOU cannot assume that chakra capacity is the way to countering this curse seal.
Chakra is an energy who's properties allows it to saturate objects even at a subatomic level. Adding that to the fact that Enma as a pole is his actual body leaves his Tenketsu subject to Samehadas absorption and do provide a scan (not examples) specifically stating that Samehada can ONLY absorb visible chakra and explain to me what is the difference between visible and invisible chakra because I've never come across such terminology in either the Databook or Manga but what has been noted is that Chakra is one consistent thing as a visible energy formed within the body of Shinobi.
I dont have scan specifically stating Samehada can only absorb exposed chakra. I'm going by feats. Samehada feats fail him to absorb Asuma's chakra blade (since we know it absorb users chakra nature automatically), fail to absorb Asuma's, Base Bee's, and Guy's chakra network. Literally anyone who has clashed against him, that were in Samehada's absorption box range.
Before I take what you say into any sort of consideration: Where's the proof that Hiruzen learnt that specific jutst and that his mastery over it is on par with what you're speculating? Where's the proof that the weight of the rock would be 40% of the total weight of the water dome unless you think size and weight are the same thing and what about resistance factors? Its not difficult to counter your point here but the reasoning behind it seems moot.
Not sure if you read the chapter of Hiruzen capable of using all chakra nature at high level, and DB4 explaining mastering and knowing all nature altercation. And knowing all Konoha's ninjutsu. If you dont then I would refer to that.
Honestly, whatever it floats or not, isn't even the factor why I mention the usage of this jutsu in the first place. No need to break it down refuting it, I'll just drop it.
The ability to guesstimate your opponents move isn't the same as being able to counter it. This is something I addressed already. They have to way of preventing Kisame from using the WD.
Izanagi isn't saving Danzo given the multiple ways kisame can kill him and the number of times he'll drown in the WD. First of all Where's the proof that Hiruzen can alter the land scape to such an extent that it would contain Kisames suiton? Not that Kisame can't have the entire jutsu wave over the difference in levels but your premises are apparently speculations and vague overestimations.
Izanagi saves Danzo by taking advantage of using jutsu, enabling to cheat death. Danzo being inside WD is easy picking in catching Kisame inside a Reverse Four Seal. With them both being inside the prison, there's no way Kisame is escaping its range by just swimming out of its range. Unless Kisame starts off from a mid-far range already. But then Danzo wouldnt need to use the jutsu, and escape with other methods.
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Master all chakra nature alternation, at high level, and basically the full package on why he is titled the Professor. Never said Hiruzen can contain all of Kisame Suiton.
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