But then you'd have to prove that whatever wall Hiruzen creates can actually block GSB since it's not just a chakra absorption attack, it's a missile in the same sense as the regular Shark Bullet.
Ok, Doton>Suiton fact. The length of the walls themselves can reach up to Boss summon size (something Kisame's volume of water reaches at.)
I thought you wanted me to prove that the jutsu Yamato has used, Hiruzen isn't capable of doing.
Lel don't strawman. I never said he can't use it at a high level. I said he can't use it at a level where he can contain the majority of the Water Dome. Vague statements like "he can create a vast amount" don't help your argument. The jutsu the SA used is completely different from what you are suggesting Hiruzen uses so why even bother mentioning it? I can use the same logic and say that anyone proficient in Doton can make a Doton structure that rivals the Juubidama in size even though they factually cannot do so. Onoki>>>SA fodder in Doton, yet Onoki's largest golem is not anywhere near as large as those walls. The amount of earth Onoki moves with mobile core doesn't reach that level either.
Im only saying that Hiruzen is fully capable of changing the length to someone at Jonin/Kage level. And what we witness from characters such as Yamato and Ittan. @Bold the thing is Onoki only alter its power only to catch Madara, not a group of people. No reason to say he cant change the chakra to what Ittan has done, when we see him being capable of producing Golem, Boss summon size. And was stated to be one of Akatsuchi specialty, only for his best feat of making it human size by feats.
Keep in mind this is coming from believing that, I just dont see how Kisame's water range far exceeds Boss Summon. Only big enough to engulf one in.
It's a lid. If Kisame spits water out from under him the lid will lift up from the ground and float in the water.
Doesn't change the fact that 1. Doton is the element advantage and 2. Were not going to just ignore the fact that the lid is heavy to begin with. So no evidence that Suiton is beating Doton.
Well, if Kisame ends up getting shocked Samehada would just pump chakra into his body to heal him. Or Kisame just, dodges. :lol Him spitting out the lake doesn't mean that he's rendered completely immobile nor does it mean that he can't just stop, and the same goes for the earth dropping lid.
Well a shock Kisame = a vulnerable Kisame so he gets beheaded from the next attack. Ok thats fine, I only mention this to interfere with Kisame trying to get land advantage.
If by multiple you mean anything close to even a fourth of what Naruto does when he uses the Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu then yes, I'm arguing against that and you shouldn't be arguing for that when that stance is literally based on nothing in this Manga. Yes, he made 4. 4 isn't something you should be calling multiple.
@Bold Ill keep that in mind when you want to argue against Gian's capability
If the clones aren't swimming away and they are fighting together then it's even worse for them. Kisame eats them alive. All Ninjutsu is ran through with zero resistance. Kisame absorbs Ninjutsu on contact. Whether or not all of it is consumed is irrelevant. Whatever is touching Kisame or near him doesn't hurt him. If they wanna attack with Enma then Kisame uses his speed and flanks them one by one. Hiruzen's movements are slowed down and Kisame's are drastically increased. CQC ends one way and that is Hiruzen's death.
Read what I said again, they are all cooperating to fool Kisame not every clone is fighting. @Bold Lol stop Samehada can not stop the impact of a chakra attack, every instance we witness he only reduces it( at least the composition being physical). And the mud would easily cloud his vision, making him completely vulnerable to Enma pole. CQC is not ending when Emna can makes clones caging him in at CQ. Someone whos capable of blocking Mokuton point blank by forming a clone, and then making them all transform into poles to format into a cage. Wont be hard to someone whos going to engaged him in the first place.
Or he falls back and hits them with GSB.
Except no evidence that he can used it under Water Shark Dance
Assuming Hiruzen can actually catch him in the first place. :lol
You had him based on the fact that you have him picking up them up in CQC 1 by 1.