Kisame vs Danzo and Edo Hiruzen

[Draegod]

Kisame's most dangerous Suiton are things that Doton can't block, and that'd be GSB, Bakusui Shoha and Dai Bakusui Shoha. (Water Dome) Splitting the earth doesn't help him because he can't (Or rather you've yet to prove that he can) create a chasm large enough to contain the water produced from the regular Bakusui Shoha so we can forget about that ever countering Water Dome.

Lmao Where did that fan fic come from? hahahahahahah

How does he escape enma cage? Ill wait

The Dropping Lid is a pretty weak argument. Not only can Kisame just burrow out using Subterranean Voyage, him releasing the water would push the lid up and away from him so how does this even help? Lightning pillars are useless for obvious reasons. Not only will he never actually catch Kisame in the majority of the things you mentioned due to the fact that he can just evade, or Samehada absorbs the lightning.

Kisame cannot preform Ninjutsu while fused. Come again.

:lol :lol

If caught in WD Hiruzen makes Shadow Clones and then Kisamehada rapes them and him. Flank? Do you realize how terrible a strategy it is to try and flank Kisame while they are in the dome and he's in his fused form? Hiruzen can't even make a lot of Shadow Clones so where is "Multiple" coming from? Enma is dodged, Hiruzen's clones are picked off one by one. Using Enma to push himself out of the dome is a terrible plan simply because he'd have to extend Enma to the bottom of the dome and then wait till it pushes him out. Kisame isn't going to sit there twiddling his thumbs while this happens. Either he goes after Hiruzen himself or he just wipes him out with GSB.

Enma pole propells him out no diff. Enma cage boxes him off bat the moment the fight starts before water is even spit out. Earth wall Could create a Giant Pillars with in the dome (It's size isnt limited to what was shown databook fact). Or simply create clones of enma then they can be used to multiply the lenght and time 10 fold by linking up the top to bottom. And the moment Kisame gets close to Hiruzen its GG with Enma cage every single time since he has zero feats to counter the combo.

Not to mention a wind stream under water propels him out easily. The WD argument is super weak and shows why this site only defends powerhouses since the big guns are spoon fed with zero strategy. lmao

 

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Zero counter to off bat Baku summon. Instant GG. If you think he can put Sama to the side, CLap hands and mold chakra, then gather water in mouth and create a lake faster then S/T ninjutsu... The wank is Too real.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kisame's most dangerous Suiton are things that Doton can't block, and that'd be GSB, Bakusui Shoha and Dai Bakusui Shoha. (Water Dome) Splitting the earth doesn't help him because he can't (Or rather you've yet to prove that he can) create a chasm large enough to contain the water produced from the regular Bakusui Shoha so we can forget about that ever countering Water Dome.

Using the ground as a source of Doton only uses chakra to alternate its position. So even if GSB absorbs the chakra off of the floor, it still gets blocked by slamming against the ground away.

Unless there's evidence that Yamato learn ninjutsu outside of Konoha, then my point is refuted.

No proof that Hiruzen can use Doton at high level? Databook states (Hiruzen Earth Wall) that "Also, for a Kage-class shinobi it is possible to create a vast volume of earth." And we have people learning how to use weak basic Doton under a minute, that scales up to Juubidama? So why its it hard to rationalize Hiruzen in manipulating chasm large enough to contain the majority of water ?

The Dropping Lid is a pretty weak argument. Not only can Kisame just burrow out using Subterranean Voyage, him releasing the water would push the lid up and away from him so how does this even help? Lightning pillars are useless for obvious reasons. Not only will he never actually catch Kisame in the majority of the things you mentioned due to the fact that he can just evade, or Samehada absorbs the lightning.

That argument was used concerning Kisame attempting to spit out a lake, as interference. And do you have evidence that Suiton is overpowering/shifting Doton's position?

Those Pillars are in act against frying Kisame in contact with water. Raiton is being conducted here. And I dont see Samehada absorbing all the Raiton spreading all over his water source.

If caught in WD Hiruzen makes Shadow Clones and then Kisamehada rapes them and him. Flank? Do you realize how terrible a strategy it is to try and flank Kisame while they are in the dome and he's in his fused form? Hiruzen can't even make a lot of Shadow Clones so where is "Multiple" coming from? Enma is dodged, Hiruzen's clones are picked off one by one. Using Enma to push himself out of the dome is a terrible plan simply because he'd have to extend Enma to the bottom of the dome and then wait till it pushes him out. Kisame isn't going to sit there twiddling his thumbs while this happens. Either he goes after Hiruzen himself or he just wipes him out with GSB.

Are you really arguing that Hirzen can't make multiple despite making 4 (which is all the clones I need to argue) to counter balance against Tobi jutsu? Lol Kisame is not picking them off 1 by 1. Unless they all attempt to do noting but swim away. Kisame has to deal with clones at the same damn time, not 1 by 1. His going to have to deal with Doton stream (which I remind you that Samehada isn't capable of consuming all of large volume ninjutsu within its absorption range), other clones attacking, to propel him with Enma. 1 clones running from another direction (pretending its the orignal running while clones pushes him back), and one using Emna to what I stated above. Even then, the orignal could even not be in the Dome this whole time, just having his clones pretend his among them, while he travels underground.

Edit: Then you have Dragod strategy, to which he simply boxs in Kisame with Enma Cage.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

What about Super Yang?

Super Yang/Toshizo... Same thing.

KG, don't worry about Draegod. I'll address his laughable arguments later on.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

This thread is only going to show Kisame will just struggle with just 1 person alone. Not wasting anytime people arguing against beating to Duo together.

Cant wait to read arguments though, afk.

 

[Null Man]

Waterdome gg, GSB gg, Invincible Kisamehada gg. Kisame wins.

 

[Beans2]

You know what, I'm starting to think SM Jiraiya can solo these bastards as well.

 

[Draegod]

You know what, I'm starting to think SM Jiraiya can solo these bastards as well.

Thats a entirely different argument. Jman Shits on Kisame low-mid diff.

 

[Draegod]

Super Yang/Toshizo... Same thing.

KG, don't worry about Draegod. I'll address his laughable arguments later on.

cant wait to hear your generic arguments for kisame Bruh bruh. lol WD is invicible, he does 10 moves in 1 sec, Everyone will sit back and watch Kisame transform into a power Ranger, yada yada. Please Do tell something new for a change

 

[Draegod]

Using the ground as a source of Doton only uses chakra to alternate its position. So even if GSB absorbs the chakra off of the floor, it still gets blocked by slamming against the ground away.

Unless there's evidence that Yamato learn ninjutsu outside of Konoha, then my point is refuted.

No proof that Hiruzen can use Doton at high level? Databook states (Hiruzen Earth Wall) that "Also, for a Kage-class shinobi it is possible to create a vast volume of earth." And we have people learning how to use weak basic Doton under a minute, that scales up to Juubidama? So why its it hard to rationalize Hiruzen in manipulating chasm large enough to contain the majority of water ?




That argument was used concerning Kisame attempting to spit out a lake, as interference. And do you have evidence that Suiton is overpowering/shifting Doton's position?

Those Pillars are in act against frying Kisame in contact with water. Raiton is being conducted here. And I dont see Samehada absorbing all the Raiton spreading all over his water source.



Are you really arguing that Hirzen can't make multiple despite making 4 (which is all the clones I need to argue) to counter balance against Tobi jutsu? Lol Kisame is not picking them off 1 by 1. Unless they all attempt to do noting but swim away. Kisame has to deal with clones at the same damn time, not 1 by 1. His going to have to deal with Doton stream (which I remind you that Samehada isn't capable of consuming all of large volume ninjutsu within its absorption range), other clones attacking, to propel him with Enma. 1 clones running from another direction (pretending its the orignal running while clones pushes him back), and one using Emna to what I stated above. Even then, the orignal could even not be in the Dome this whole time, just having his clones pretend his among them, while he travels underground.

Edit: Then you have Dragod strategy, to which he simply boxs in Kisame with Enma Cage.

Bro.... please Tell me KG isnt arguing Databook Hiruzen in this fight... I know for a Fact FT isn't stupid enough to argue agaisnt Databook Edo Hiruzen, let alone Prime Databook hiruzen who super negs.

 

[KidGamer65]

Using the ground as a source of Doton only uses chakra to alternate its position. So even if GSB absorbs the chakra off of the floor, it still gets blocked by slamming against the ground away

But then you'd have to prove that whatever wall Hiruzen creates can actually block GSB since it's not just a chakra absorption attack, it's a missile in the same sense as the regular Shark Bullet.

Unless there's evidence that Yamato learn ninjutsu outside of Konoha, then my point is refuted.

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No proof that Hiruzen can use Doton at high level? Databook states (Hiruzen Earth Wall) that "Also, for a Kage-class shinobi it is possible to create a vast volume of earth." And we have people learning how to use weak basic Doton under a minute, that scales up to Juubidama? So why its it hard to rationalize Hiruzen in manipulating chasm large enough to contain the majority of water ?

Lel don't strawman. I never said he can't use it at a high level. I said he can't use it at a level where he can contain the majority of the Water Dome. Vague statements like "he can create a vast amount" don't help your argument. The jutsu the SA used is completely different from what you are suggesting Hiruzen uses so why even bother mentioning it? I can use the same logic and say that anyone proficient in Doton can make a Doton structure that rivals the Juubidama in size even though they factually cannot do so. Onoki>>>SA fodder in Doton, yet Onoki's largest golem is not anywhere near as large as those walls. The amount of earth Onoki moves with mobile core doesn't reach that level either.

That argument was used concerning Kisame attempting to spit out a lake, as interference. And do you have evidence that Suiton is overpowering/shifting Doton's position?

It's a lid. If Kisame spits water out from under him the lid will lift up from the ground and float in the water.

Those Pillars are in act against frying Kisame in contact with water. Raiton is being conducted here. And I dont see Samehada absorbing all the Raiton spreading all over his water source.

Well, if Kisame ends up getting shocked Samehada would just pump chakra into his body to heal him. Or Kisame just, dodges. :lol Him spitting out the lake doesn't mean that he's rendered completely immobile nor does it mean that he can't just stop, and the same goes for the earth dropping lid.

Are you really arguing that Hirzen can't make multiple despite making 4 (which is all the clones I need to argue) to counter balance against Tobi jutsu? Lol Kisame is not picking them off 1 by 1. Unless they all attempt to do noting but swim away. Kisame has to deal with clones at the same damn time, not 1 by 1. His going to have to deal with Doton stream (which I remind you that Samehada isn't capable of consuming all of large volume ninjutsu within its absorption range), other clones attacking, to propel him with Enma. 1 clones running from another direction (pretending its the orignal running while clones pushes him back), and one using Emna to what I stated above. Even then, the orignal could even not be in the Dome this whole time, just having his clones pretend his among them, while he travels underground.

If by multiple you mean anything close to even a fourth of what Naruto does when he uses the Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu then yes, I'm arguing against that and you shouldn't be arguing for that when that stance is literally based on nothing in this Manga. Yes, he made 4. 4 isn't something you should be calling multiple.

If the clones aren't swimming away and they are fighting together then it's even worse for them. Kisame eats them alive. All Ninjutsu is ran through with zero resistance. Kisame absorbs Ninjutsu on contact. Whether or not all of it is consumed is irrelevant. Whatever is touching Kisame or near him doesn't hurt him. If they wanna attack with Enma then Kisame uses his speed and flanks them one by one. Hiruzen's movements are slowed down and Kisame's are drastically increased. CQC ends one way and that is Hiruzen's death.

Or he falls back and hits them with GSB.

Edit: Then you have Dragod strategy, to which he simply boxs in Kisame with Enma Cage.

Assuming Hiruzen can actually catch him in the first place. :lol

Super Yang/Toshizo... Same thing.

KG, don't worry about Draegod. I'll address his laughable arguments later on.

Lol thank God.

 

[Draegod]

Says "If he catches Kisame", Argues "CQC ends one way and that is Hiruzen's death." when All you have to do is be near Enma and he isntantly spawns a cage. lol

Says "Multiple isnt 4"


mul·ti·ple
ˈməltəpəl/Submit
adjective
1.
having or involving several parts, elements, or members.
"multiple occupancy"
noun
1.
a number that can be divided by another number without a remainder.


Still Zero counters For Baku as sson as fight starts. Zero counters for enma Cage once in range.

 

[NarutoX28]

Right. That doesn't mean he can use it in order to spawn literally anywhere. Else he would of used it to escape, and spawn back in Konoha for example. Danzo implied

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that he had no possible way of escaping if Obito joined the fight, despite the fact that he felt that

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. Most importantly, he stated that

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. If escaping the fight was an option at that point, he would of took it. Tells me his Izanagi spawning range is restricted within the surrounding area.

The difference is is that Danzo never had Izanagi activated prior to the battle, so he simply can't rewrite events that occurred before Izanagi's activation. With full intel, he will activate Izanagi and I'm going to assume that OP meant to have his arm start off unsealed. If that's the case, he activates Izanagi prior to getting enveloped by the WaterDome and through there, he can use Izanagi to alter his destiny and can make it seem as if the WD never enveloped him in the first place.

The next scan with Danzo not allowing himself to die is a good point, but take into account that Izanagi is not activated and if he chooses to activate Izanagi through Shisui's eye, he simply can't rewrite the events prior to activating Izanagi, but only during the activation of Izanagi (through Shisui's eyes), so he can't make it seem as if he never entered the battle in the first place (if that makes sense).

And of course, the last scenario involved a Danzo who was pressured and couldn't think properly. He was processing many options and the previous panel makes it clear that he was struggling to think about using either Izanagi or Koto, but he decided upon using Koto to subdue Madara, so in order to do that, he simply can't throw it away for Izanagi.

 

[Curse Mark]

Counter to Baku off the bat: Susanoo and fire jutsu. Idiots.

 

[Beans2]

Still Zero counters For Baku as sson as fight starts. Zero counters for enma Cage once in range.

Daikodan would kill Baku...

 

[NarutoX28]

Daikodan would kill Baku...

Wouldn't matter when either Hiruzen or Danzo could attack him from the rear with Enhanced Futon.

 

[EZQ]

Don't put lord Danzo on the same team as shitruzen, smh...

Kisame wins high diff

 

[Observer]

Don't put lord Danzo on the same team as shitruzen, smh...

Kisame wins high diff

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