Kisame underrated.

[KGB Kakuzu]

Wow....I never though someone would ever rate Kisame that low...

Obito
Nagato
Itachi
Kisame and Kakuzu...

Kisame is a monster....was capable of doing stuff after taking Day Time Tiger followed by a Falcon Punch to the stomach. He solo'd Killer Bee....until A showed up -.-

 

[Draphsin]

Wow....I never though someone would ever rate Kisame that low...

Obito
Nagato
Itachi
Kisame and Kakuzu...

Kisame is a monster....was capable of doing stuff after taking Day Time Tiger followed by a Falcon Punch to the stomach. He solo'd Killer Bee....until A showed up -.-

i disagree, most of the akatsuki have techs that can 1 hit-KO and kisame has very little counters other than chakra absorbtion, but that wont work against long range fighters like konan/deidara. And kakuzu 4th? nope

 

[slaton02]

I know, he is serious underrated and people don't realize how Op this guy really is...I didn't know myself till not long ago. He can beat Itachi, he has no way to really beat Kisame other than his sealing sword, everything is would be absorbed or sensed out.

He can naturally absorb ninjutsu that pierce his skin. The proof is when he absorbed Bee lightning so this mean
Amaterasu, fire techs, any elemental ninjutsu Kisame can not be killed by

He can heal from his torse being ripped open....how can they kill Kisame with element ninjutsu?

Great shark missile absorbs any chakra and makes it bigger.....he has a 1 hit unclashable(ninjutsu) kill tech, who can survive this?

Water dome+ 1000 sharks...who can escape this?

ect

Akatsuki strenght order

Obito
Nagato
Kisame
Itachi
Kakuzu
Deidara
Konan
Sasori
Hidan

 

[Draphsin]

I know, he is serious underrated and people don't realize how Op this guy really is...I didn't know myself till not long ago. He can beat Itachi, he has no way to really beat Kisame other than his sealing sword, everything is would be absorbed or sensed out.

1 word, genjutsu

 

[slaton02]

1 word, genjutsu

1 name, samehada

fused with it Kisame can sense so genjutsu will not work

when not fused samehada can break him out....nuff said

 

[Draphsin]

1 name, samehada

fused with it Kisame can sense so genjutsu will not work

when not fused samehada can break him out....nuff said

did you see how long that fusion took? he would be trapped before he gets a chance to unsheathe samehada

 

[slaton02]

did you see how long that fusion took? he would be trapped before he gets a chance to unsheathe samehada

....it took 5 seconds, and Kisame can draw chakra from Samehada to break him out of genjutsu and since he knows Itachi so well he would keep doing do that.

 

[Microsword57]

....it took 5 seconds, and Kisame can draw chakra from Samehada to break him out of genjutsu and since he knows Itachi so well he would keep doing do that.

Itachi and Kisame know all two well about each other Techniques. Kisame would be using his Samehada to avoid Genjutsu while Itachi would have a plan to separate Kisame from his Samehada. Samehada not being in hand would prevent Kisame from using Samehada as a Chakra Disruption method. I understand Kisame's abilities and how strong he is but to place him over Itachi would be unfair to Itachi's abilities and reputation.

 

[slaton02]

Itachi and Kisame know all two well about each other Techniques. Kisame would be using his Samehada to avoid Genjutsu while Itachi would have a plan to separate Kisame from his Samehada. Samehada not being in hand would prevent Kisame from using Samehada as a Chakra Disruption method. I understand Kisame's abilities and how strong he is but to place him over Itachi would be unfair to Itachi's abilities and reputation.

He could try to remove samehada but it would most likely not work as samehada always come back to him and like Kisame said to Bee when Bee wanted to disarm him "go ahead, if you can take it out of my body!"

I know Itachi is a popular character and people don't like to admit and picture him losing but I go by feats and Kisame has Itachi's number so how is it unfair? If anything, anyone that says Kisame has no chance are being unfair cause they are baseing it on popularity and not feats.

 

[Draphsin]

He could try to remove samehada but it would most likely not work as samehada always come back to him and like Kisame said to Bee when Bee wanted to disarm him "go ahead, if you can take it out of my body!"

I know Itachi is a popular character and people don't like to admit and picture him losing but I go by feats and Kisame has Itachi's number so how is it unfair? If anything, anyone that says Kisame has no chance are being unfair cause they are baseing it on popularity and not feats.

Kisame loses, he cant best itachis sharingan genjutsu is instant

EDIT:all of the akatsuki above him have shown incredible feats and am i in no way saying hes weak, im just saying most of the akatsuki can take him

 

[slaton02]

Kisame loses, he cant best itachis sharingan genjutsu is instant

EDIT:all of the akatsuki above him have shown incredible feats and am i in no way saying hes weak, im just saying most of the akatsuki can take him

Your not saying how, I counter Itachi's techs yet you still says genjutsu would 1 shot him instantly?
Other than Nagato,and Obito how do the others beat Kisame?

well Deidara can potentially beat anyone for obvious reasons but still not 100% cause of chakra absorbing from clay

 

[Microsword57]

He could try to remove samehada but it would most likely not work as samehada always come back to him and like Kisame said to Bee when Bee wanted to disarm him "go ahead, if you can take it out of my body!"

I know Itachi is a popular character and people don't like to admit and picture him losing but I go by feats and Kisame has Itachi's number so how is it unfair? If anything, anyone that says Kisame has no chance are being unfair cause they are baseing it on popularity and not feats.

The Fact is that form is a last resort the separation of Kisame and Samehada is a temporary plot, something for the start of the battle before fusing. Once Samehada is no in his hand Genjutsu would work perfectly. Even with Sameheda in hand Tsukuyomi is still a fact. Once fused together with his Samehada completely he is capable of being placed into a Genjutsu. You spoke that when Kisame is fused with the Samehada that he can sense therefore he would not be capable of being placed under a Genjutsu. This is not the case. Samehada allows him to feel Chakra[

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], which is different from sensing. The ability to be able to sense still does not prevent Genjutsu I am curious to your notion on this. Another argument that I have seen you bring up is that Kisame when fused with Samehada absorbs on contact therefore he would be safe from Amaterasu. While it is true that Kisame once fused can absorb chakra upon contact,but Amaterasu is a completely different echelon of ninjutsu. It has yet to be seen absorbed. Nagato's preta path did not absorb the Amaterasu he utilized Shinra Tensei instead[

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]. This leads to the disbelief that Amaterasu can even be absorbed. This along with Samehada dislike for an average Fire affinity[

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], and Amaterasu being the hottest form of fire Ninjutsu is another thing that discredit the doctrine of Samehada absorbing Amaterasu. With the two large disclaimers about Sameheda capabilities to absorb Amaterasu it is in no way valid to indicate it would absorb the enton flames. There are so many complications in Samehada for it to even be used against Itachi the average way. Samehada also possess the capability of Judgement, it has personality[

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]. Sameheda has shown to switch Users simply because of more favorable chakra. Samehada may simple refuse to absorb Amaterasu(if it could absorb it) simply because it's dislike to fire. Who's to say Susanoo does not look like a Delicious food for Samehada it being filled with so many layers of Chakra would be the perfect bait to drive Samehada from the fusion and towards Itachi. As I said their are too many complications between Samehada for it to even be used against Itachi in a theoretical way.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Sasori takes care of Kisame easy. Kisame has no way to counteract poison, and his defense is his regenerative powers, which is perfect for Sasori.

Deidara's C4 would mess Kisame up, and Kisame I do not think can fight well against opponents in the air.

Itachi has genjutsu which is almost instant (Tsukiyomi), which takes care of Kisame.

Pein is obvious.

Against Kakuzu it's close, but I put Kakuzu higher because he has a better chance against the other members than Kisame.

Zetsu is definitely weaker.

Not so sure about Konan. That one could be close, but I would give it to Kisame because of his regeneration.

 

[slaton02]

The Fact is that form is a last resort the separation of Kisame and Samehada is a temporary plot, something for the start of the battle before fusing. Once Samehada is no in his hand Genjutsu would work perfectly. Even with Sameheda in hand Tsukuyomi is still a fact. Once fused together with his Samehada completely he is capable of being placed into a Genjutsu. You spoke that when Kisame is fused with the Samehada that he can sense therefore he would not be capable of being placed under a Genjutsu. This is not the case. Samehada allows him to feel Chakra[

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], which is different from sensing. The ability to be able to sense still does not prevent Genjutsu I am curious to your notion on this. Another argument that I have seen you bring up is that Kisame when fused with Samehada absorbs on contact therefore he would be safe from Amaterasu. While it is true that Kisame once fused can absorb chakra upon contact,but Amaterasu is a completely different echelon of ninjutsu. It has yet to be seen absorbed. Nagato's preta path did not absorb the Amaterasu he utilized Shinra Tensei instead[

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]. This leads to the disbelief that Amaterasu can even be absorbed. This along with Samehada dislike for an average Fire affinity[

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], and Amaterasu being the hottest form of fire Ninjutsu is another thing that discredit to the doctrine of Samehada absorbing Amaterasu. With the two large disclaimers about Sameheda capabilities to absorb Amaterasu it is in no way valid to indicate it would absorb the enton flames. There are so many complications in Samehada for it to even be used against Itachi the average way. Samehada also possess the capability of Judgement, it has personality[

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][

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]. Sameheda has shown to switch Users simply because of more favorable chakra. Samehada may simple refuse to absorb Amaterasu(if it could) simply because it's dislike to fire. Who's to say Susanoo does not look like a Delicious food for Samehada it being filled with so many layers of Chakra would be the perfect bait to drive Samehada from the fuse and towards Itachi. As I said their are two many complications between Samehada for it to even be used against Itachi in a theoretical way.

feeling chakra is sensing. He would notice chakra in a genjutsu.
Itachi take samehada away from Kisame is easier side than done by a long shot.
Kisame knows Itachi well if he knows he would need to fuse to win he would do it, so it's no a last resort thing.
Ama is not the hot fire tech. Pakuras scorch releash has been shown to be hot killing on contract while ama fail to do so on a fodder samuri, A and Karin.
Kisame can naturally absorb chakra that pierce his skin ama will be absorbed period. Chakra is chakra unless it's senjutsu which it isn't.
Samehada would not leave Kisame for Itachi. It went to bee cause octopus flavor is it's fav
fused Kisame has no weaknesses(stated by himself as well) logicly Kisame would be Itachi

Sasori takes care of Kisame easy. Kisame has no way to counteract poison, and his defense is his regenerative powers, which is perfect for Sasori.
Water dome+1000 sharks, try useing puppets in there. Sasori won't be able to use puppet effectively in heavy shark infested water.
Deidara's C4 would mess Kisame up, and Kisame I do not think can fight well against opponents in the air.
long range shark attacks absorbing chakra from clay, waterdome+ fusion
Itachi has genjutsu which is almost instant (Tsukiyomi), which takes care of Kisame.
I already stated how Kisame counters this get with the times+ Kisame has more ways of take out Itachi nd great shark missle is 1
Pein is obvious.
agree
Against Kakuzu it's close, but I put Kakuzu higher because he has a better chance against the other members than Kisame.
Ninjutsu(element)=useless on Kisame
Zetsu is definitely weaker.

Not so sure about Konan. That one could be close, but I would give it to Kisame because of his regeneration.

try again. Actually it's late and I'm tired I'll reply tommorrow

 

[PrettyFlacko]

Who thinks that kisame's underrated? wtf
he's called a tailless beast for a reason.
Kisame and itachi duo > A and bee. shhhh lowkey.

 

[Draphsin]

The Fact is that form is a last resort the separation of Kisame and Samehada is a temporary plot, something for the start of the battle before fusing. Once Samehada is no in his hand Genjutsu would work perfectly. Even with Sameheda in hand Tsukuyomi is still a fact. Once fused together with his Samehada completely he is capable of being placed into a Genjutsu. You spoke that when Kisame is fused with the Samehada that he can sense therefore he would not be capable of being placed under a Genjutsu. This is not the case. Samehada allows him to feel Chakra[

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], which is different from sensing. The ability to be able to sense still does not prevent Genjutsu I am curious to your notion on this. Another argument that I have seen you bring up is that Kisame when fused with Samehada absorbs on contact therefore he would be safe from Amaterasu. While it is true that Kisame once fused can absorb chakra upon contact,but Amaterasu is a completely different echelon of ninjutsu. It has yet to be seen absorbed. Nagato's preta path did not absorb the Amaterasu he utilized Shinra Tensei instead[

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]. This leads to the disbelief that Amaterasu can even be absorbed. This along with Samehada dislike for an average Fire affinity[

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], and Amaterasu being the hottest form of fire Ninjutsu is another thing that discredit the doctrine of Samehada absorbing Amaterasu. With the two large disclaimers about Sameheda capabilities to absorb Amaterasu it is in no way valid to indicate it would absorb the enton flames. There are so many complications in Samehada for it to even be used against Itachi the average way. Samehada also possess the capability of Judgement, it has personality[

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][

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]. Sameheda has shown to switch Users simply because of more favorable chakra. Samehada may simple refuse to absorb Amaterasu(if it could absorb it) simply because it's dislike to fire. Who's to say Susanoo does not look like a Delicious food for Samehada it being filled with so many layers of Chakra would be the perfect bait to drive Samehada from the fusion and towards Itachi. As I said their are too many complications between Samehada for it to even be used against Itachi in a theoretical way.

This, kisame can still be affected by genjutsu, how can he break tsukyomi?

Sasori takes care of Kisame easy. Kisame has no way to counteract poison, and his defense is his regenerative powers, which is perfect for Sasori.

Deidara's C4 would mess Kisame up, and Kisame I do not think can fight well against opponents in the air.

Itachi has genjutsu which is almost instant (Tsukiyomi), which takes care of Kisame.

Pein is obvious.

Against Kakuzu it's close, but I put Kakuzu higher because he has a better chance against the other members than Kisame.

Zetsu is definitely weaker.

Not so sure about Konan. That one could be close, but I would give it to Kisame because of his regeneration.

i agree but i think kisame can take kakazu, it would definitely be the closest fight. As for konan..600billion paper bombs solo

 

[Draphsin]

feeling chakra is sensing. He would notice chakra in a genjutsu.
Itachi take samehada away from Kisame is easier side than done by a long shot.
Kisame knows Itachi well if he knows he would need to fuse to win he would do it, so it's no a last resort thing.
Ama is not the hot fire tech. Pakuras scorch releash has been shown to be hot killing on contract while ama fail to do so on a fodder samuri, A and Karin.
Kisame can naturally absorb chakra that pierce his skin ama will be absorbed period. Chakra is chakra unless it's senjutsu which it isn't.
Samehada would not leave Kisame for Itachi. It went to bee cause octopus flavor is it's fav
fused Kisame has no weaknesses(stated by himself as well) logicly Kisame would be Itachi


try again. Actually it's late and I'm tired I'll reply tommorrow

Itachis susanoo is said to be invincible by another character, but we all know susanoo has a weakness. Kabuto said edo tensei has no weaknesses but we've seen 2. kisame was definitely exaggerating or he didnt know of any weaknesses which would be foolish on his part because he wouldnt know the full extent of his own jutsu

 

[Microsword57]

feeling chakra is sensing. He would notice chakra in a genjutsu.
Itachi take samehada away from Kisame is easier side than done by a long shot.
Kisame knows Itachi well if he knows he would need to fuse to win he would do it, so it's no a last resort thing.
Ama is not the hot fire tech. Pakuras scorch releash has been shown to be hot killing on contract while ama fail to do so on a fodder samuri, A and Karin.
Kisame can naturally absorb chakra that pierce his skin ama will be absorbed period. Chakra is chakra unless it's senjutsu which it isn't.
Samehada would not leave Kisame for Itachi. It went to bee cause octopus flavor is it's fav
fused Kisame has no weaknesses(stated by himself as well) logicly Kisame would be Itachi


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Kisame has had his Samehada removed from his grip quite easily by Might Guy[

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]. The Sharingan also allows for Itachi to see Kisame's next movement which means Itachi will be capable of using this to see Kisame 's arm, hand and body movement and counter it effectively[

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]. This would be Itachi's way of defeating Kisame in hand to hand combat and removing his Samehada from his grasp. In response to your opinion on Kisame using his finisher early on, Ninja tend to always save their best for last. If Kisame wants to start out the match with this Technique he is welcome to but Itachi's Genjutsu still works on Kisame in this form. Amaterasu is indeed the hottest Fire Ninjutsu their is. Amaterasu[

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], the highest level of fire ninjutsu, burned Nagato dramatically look at his wounds[

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]. Amaterasu also burned a hole through the mouth of a toad in seconds[

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]. Itachi's Amaterasu has shown to have greater burn feats than Sasuke's so when arguing against Itachi's Amaterasu you must only speak of Itachi Amaterasu feats for it to be completely relevant. While Chakra is Chakra we have no information of amaterasu's composition or where exactly the flames are being fabricated from therefore their is a great chance it is different from other Chakra considering Nagato did not Absorb it. Kisame claiming he has no weakness is equivalent to Kabuto saying he had no weakness and Itachi handle the situation the appropriate way[

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[slaton02]

This, kisame can still be affected by genjutsu, how can he break tsukyomi?



i agree but i think kisame can take kakazu, it would definitely be the closest fight. As for konan..600billion paper bombs solo

Tsukyomi is breakable not 100% sure Kisame can break it but it's definently possibly and konan has to prep for days to do 600 billion bombs. I already countered everything that guy said.

Itachis susanoo is said to be invincible by another character, but we all know susanoo has a weakness. Kabuto said edo tensei has no weaknesses but we've seen 2. kisame was definitely exaggerating or he didnt know of any weaknesses which would be foolish on his part because he wouldnt know the full extent of his own jutsu

Kisame has no weak area in fusion fuse including genjutsu, doesn't mean he can't be beat but he has no real weakness that's all. I used it as an example for countering genjutsu and backing it up with that statement.

Kisame has had his Samehada removed from his grip quite easily by Might Guy[

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]. The Sharingan also allows for Itachi to see Kisame's next movement which means Itachi will be capable of using this to see Kisame 's arm, hand and body movement and counter it effectively[

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]. This would be Itachi's way of defeating Kisame in hand to hand combat and removing his Samehada from his grasp. In response to your opinion on Kisame using his finisher early on, Ninja tend to always save their best for last. If Kisame wants to start out the match with this Technique he is welcome to but Itachi's Genjutsu still works on Kisame in this form. Amaterasu is indeed the hottest Fire Ninjutsu their is. Amaterasu[

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], the highest level of fire ninjutsu, burned Nagato dramatically look at his wounds[

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]. Amaterasu also burned a hole through the mouth of a toad in seconds[

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]. Itachi's Amaterasu has shown to have greater burn feats than Sasuke's so when arguing against Itachi's Amaterasu you must only speak of Itachi Amaterasu feats for it to be completely relevant. While Chakra is Chakra we have no information of amaterasu's composition or where exactly the flames are being fabricated from therefore their is a great chance it is different from other Chakra considering Nagato did not Absorb it. Kisame claiming he has no weakness is equivalent to Kabuto saying he had no weakness and Itachi handle the situation the appropriate way[

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Ama failed to kill A, samuri and Karin yet pakura's scorch release kills in 1 hit anywhere. Ama is not the hottest period hers is, it has been proven how can you debate proven feats? Nagato didn't absorb it cause shinre tensei is alot easier, simple, faster and preta path why of absorbing is different from Kisame's. Itachi doesn't have might Guy's taijutsu and even if he did samehada would attack Itachi like it did Guy so disarming samehada then genjutsu is not gonna happen and you know it. If you know your enemy well and know you would need to go all out...why would you hold back? Multiple people have been shown to use their best Jutsu off the bat when fighting a tough enemy

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