Kisame or Muu?

[Edo Odin]

Definitely agree that Kisame's feats and versatility puts him over Muu when it comes to competing against other people overall, they both aren't characters that get beat easily. Though because of the way they matchup, I can't help by feel like Kisame takes this more times than he loses. I can see Muu winning in a few scenarios but I see Kisame winning more often.

Kisame's main weakness [Albeit, a small one] is the fact that when it comes to long range attacks, he's not too versatile. The main thing he has is his Suiton, which should be avoidable for someone like Mu, who has great speed and reflexes, along with his ability to fly. As soon as Mu takes flight Kisame won't have too much to take him out with, and once Mu fires a large Jinton at him, Kisame will most likely be taken out. [Seeing as Samehada had trouble absorbing a Katon attack, it's not too far fetched to assume that it won't be able to take on an attack which disintegrates anything it touches, which is a combination of the Fire element, along with two others.] Of course, Kisame has a chance of winning this, but overall, I'd give Mu the edge here.​

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[Kαmi]

Muu can fly and be invisible at the same time so either Muu has to be really patient to figure out Kisame's abilities or go use his techniques and let Kisame figure them out

Dont forget that mu can fly he can fire dust release from the sky while invisible...thats just too op for kisame

Hm, you guys might wanna back that up for me. I was under the impression that Muu isn't able to attack or use other techniques that require chakra while he's invisible. He's hiding his chakra, once he starts to use it, he should turn visible then right? Since flight uses chakra as well, I figured any at temp to fly would make Muu visible as well.

 

[Abura Malakinos]

Depends if Great Shark Missile can absorb Dust Release. However, since Mu cannot be sensed by traditional means, Samehada will most likely be incapable of sensing them. Mu also has the elemental advantage with his Earth Release.

Mu would win this imo

The great Negative Knight returns!

OT: Muu takes this..

 

[NewKageism]

Time to counter some.


Have people forgot Kisame flying.

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[NewKageism]

Kisame's main weakness [Albeit, a small one] is the fact that when it comes to long range attacks, he's not too versatile. The main thing he has is his Suiton, which should be avoidable for someone like Mu, who has great speed and reflexes, along with his ability to fly. As soon as Mu takes flight Kisame won't have too much to take him out with, and once Mu fires a large Jinton at him, Kisame will most likely be taken out. [Seeing as Samehada had trouble absorbing a Katon attack, it's not too far fetched to assume that it won't be able to take on an attack which disintegrates anything it touches, which is a combination of the Fire element, along with two others.] Of course, Kisame has a chance of winning this, but overall, I'd give Mu the edge here.​

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But Kisame has plenty of long range - mid range attacks too.
Then look at that attack Mu uses.

It takes a while to store up. That is to long for Kisame fast attacks. He would be exposed doing that

 

[Kαmi]

Kisame's main weakness [Albeit, a small one] is the fact that when it comes to long range attacks, he's not too versatile. The main thing he has is his Suiton, which should be avoidable for someone like Mu, who has great speed and reflexes, along with his ability to fly. As soon as Mu takes flight Kisame won't have too much to take him out with, and once Mu fires a large Jinton at him, Kisame will most likely be taken out. [Seeing as Samehada had trouble absorbing a Katon attack, it's not too far fetched to assume that it won't be able to take on an attack which disintegrates anything it touches, which is a combination of the Fire element, along with two others.] Of course, Kisame has a chance of winning this, but overall, I'd give Mu the edge here.​

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I don't think Samehada could handle Jinton because of the fire element and that it disintegrates everything so I agree on that. How do you think Great Shark bullet matches up against Jinton? Do you think it gets absorbed or Jinton just pushes through? If Jinton pushes through, then I'll agree that Muu takes this more often.
Also, NewKageism just proved that Kisame can move through the air rather easy Lol Maybe Kisame can get close and drain some of Muu's chakra.

 

[Edo Odin]

But Kisame has plenty of long range - mid range attacks too.
Then look at that attack Mu uses.

It takes a while to store up. That is to long for Kisame fast attacks. He would be exposed doing that

Feel free to elaborate on these mid-long ranged attacks. What does he have aside from his Suiton?

The Jinton doesn't take too much time to charge up at all. Yes, it takes some time, but the case with Kisame's counter [Whatever that may be] will be the same, and the fact still stands that Kisame has close to nothing that can take Mu out here.​

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[Prince Charles]

Could go either way but I would bet my money on Mu sama.

 

[Edo Odin]

I don't think Samehada could handle Jinton because of the fire element and that it disintegrates everything so I agree on that. How do you think Great Shark bullet matches up against Jinton? Do you think it gets absorbed or Jinton just pushes through? If Jinton pushes through, then I'll agree that Muu takes this more often.
Also, NewKageism just proved that Kisame can move through the air rather easy Lol Maybe Kisame can get close and drain some of Muu's chakra.

Seeing as the two are probably related, I'd assume that the case is the same, although of course it may be able to take on the Jinton. The main problem is that while the Jinton is Mu's number one weapon, Kisame's Daikōdan has been shown to be more of a last resort technique. The most likely scenario would include him attempting to absorb the Jinton with Samehada alone, and failing.

Even if he would be able to take flight and move around as freely as Mu, the fact still stands that he won't have any way of knowing about Mu's location. He'd be flying around without having any idea what to do next, and wouldn't have much chance of preventing Mu from simply using simple punches and kicks to push him back down on the ground, where nothing will have changed.​

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[Avinash012]

Muu takes this

 

[Negative Knight]

Going against the grain on this one.

Kisame can sense Mu if he comes in through his shark smell.

Now if he gets into his range. Shark dome will show him through the imprint of the water.

It would show a imprint of his body.

Kisame can take this.

I go with Kisame

Very true, his heat sensing/shark-related abilites could sense Mu. However, his invisibility removes his form, shadow and smell. Essentially, all Kisame has to detect him is Shark Fusion Mode, which he would undoubtely use in conjunction with a water source.

His own technique (the water dome) would become his prison, since Mu could prevent himself being caught within its confines through flight and deploy Dust to destroy it completely.

It wouldn't be illogical to claim Mu has access to Earth techniques displayed by Oonki/Kitsuchi or at least him having a similar level of prowess in the element. High scale Earth release techniques would simply affirm his victory in this match up.

On a last note, Samehada is pretty useless in this fight too. If absorbing Fire is a difficult job, trying to digest Dust Release chakra would probably be impossible. The regenerative abilities it provides Kisame can't hope to save him from an attack which tears him apart on a molecular level.

 

[johnny scars]

kisame easily wins!!
muus only weapon is hiding his chakra and even when that happens samehada will detect muu! and kisame will destory...no rip muu into shreads wjhiapodfhoadnhjioadn

 

[Edo Odin]

Very true, his heat sensing/shark-related abilites could sense Mu. However, his invisibility removes his form, shadow and smell. Essentially, all Kisame has to detect him is Shark Fusion Mode, which he would undoubtely use in conjunction with a water source.

His own technique would become his prison, since Mu could prevent himself being caught within its confines through flight and deploy Dust to destroy it completely.

It wouldn't be illogical to claim Mu has access to Earth techniques displayed by Oonki/Kitsuchi or at least him having a similar level of prowess in the element. High scale Earth release techniques would simply affirm his victory in this match up.

On a last note, Samehada is pretty useless in this fight too. If absorbing Fire is a difficult job, trying to digest Dust Release chakra would probably be impossible. The regenerative abilites it provides Kisame can't hope to save him from an attack which tears him apart on a molecular level.

This nigga's still got it. ​

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[Kαmi]

Seeing as the two are probably related, I'd assume that the case is the same, although of course it may be able to take on the Jinton. The main problem is that while the Jinton is Mu's number one weapon, Kisame's Daikōdan has been shown to be more of a last resort technique. The most likely scenario would include him attempting to absorb the Jinton with Samehada alone, and failing.

Even if he would be able to take flight and move around as freely as Mu, the fact still stands that he won't have any way of knowing about Mu's location. He'd be flying around without having any idea what to do next, and wouldn't have much chance of preventing Mu from simply using simple punches and kicks to push him back down on the ground, where nothing will have changed.​

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Nah, can't argue that, Great Shark Bullet definitely comes off as a last resort technique so in a situation with no intel, that's probably exactly how it would pan out when Kisame first comes across the move. Though, on the chance Kisame chooses to dodge, he would figure out that Jinton can't be absorbed by his sword possible use Great Shark Bullet then.

And I wasn't gonna make an argument about Kisame's flight capabilities, just thought it was funny to note Lol. But now that you say he wouldn't know Muu's location, does that mean Muu can fly around while he's invisible, I don't think he can because that contradicts him hiding his chakra by using chakra to fly right? You've almost got me convinced that Muu takes this more but I just want the flight/invisibility matter cleared up.

Very true, his heat sensing/shark-related abilites could sense Mu. However, his invisibility removes his form, shadow and smell. Essentially, all Kisame has to detect him is Shark Fusion Mode, which he would undoubtely use in conjunction with a water source.

His own technique (the water dome) would become his prison, since Mu could prevent himself being caught within its confines through flight and deploy Dust to destroy it completely.

It wouldn't be illogical to claim Mu has access to Earth techniques displayed by Oonki/Kitsuchi or at least him having a similar level of prowess in the element. High scale Earth release techniques would simply affirm his victory in this match up.

On a last note, Samehada is pretty useless in this fight too. If absorbing Fire is a difficult job, trying to digest Dust Release chakra would probably be impossible. The regenerative abilities it provides Kisame can't hope to save him from an attack which tears him apart on a molecular level.

Nvm 6 Paths, NK just removed all my doubts Lol looks like Muu would take this more often. I wasn't thinking that Muu would be able to escape Water Dome so easily so I thought it would help Kisame's situation.

 

[Lan Fan]

I voted for Kuro Kami when I saw his Mustang signature ..

 

[Edo Odin]

Nah, can't argue that, Great Shark Bullet definitely comes off as a last resort technique so in a situation with no intel, that's probably exactly how it would pan out when Kisame first comes across the move. Though, on the chance Kisame chooses to dodge, he would figure out that Jinton can't be absorbed by his sword possible use Great Shark Bullet then.

And I wasn't gonna make an argument about Kisame's flight capabilities, just thought it was funny to note Lol. But now that you say he wouldn't know Muu's location, does that mean Muu can fly around while he's invisible, I don't think he can because that contradicts him hiding his chakra by using chakra to fly right? You've almost got me convinced that Muu takes this more but I just want the flight/invisibility matter cleared up.


Nvm 6 Paths, NK just removed all my doubts Lol looks like Muu would take this more often. I wasn't thinking that Muu would be able to escape Water Dome so easily so I thought it would help Kisame's situation.

Noted. :b But yeah, he can fly while invisible, or at least that seems to be the case. [

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] In any case, it won't change too much, Kisame would still be flying around without knowing where too look for him, and once Mu is granted an opening, he should be able to finish this fight, once and for all.​

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[Negative Knight]

Nah, can't argue that, Great Shark Bullet definitely comes off as a last resort technique so in a situation with no intel, that's probably exactly how it would pan out when Kisame first comes across the move. Though, on the chance Kisame chooses to dodge, he would figure out that Jinton can't be absorbed by his sword possible use Great Shark Bullet then.

And I wasn't gonna make an argument about Kisame's flight capabilities, just thought it was funny to note Lol. But now that you say he wouldn't know Muu's location, does that mean Muu can fly around while he's invisible, I don't think he can because that contradicts him hiding his chakra by using chakra to fly right? You've almost got me convinced that Muu takes this more but I just want the flight/invisibility matter cleared up.


Nvm 6 Paths, NK just removed all my doubts Lol looks like Muu would take this more often. I wasn't thinking that Muu would be able to escape Water Dome so easily so I thought it would help Kisame's situation.

Yeah, It'd probably be Mu's natural reaction to fly over the waves to prevent being swept up by them. Also, even with Kisame's ability to become the center point of the water dome, I can't imagine the water dome moving "upwards" if he decides to chase down Mu xD.

 

[NewKageism]

Very true, his heat sensing/shark-related abilites could sense Mu. However, his invisibility removes his form, shadow and smell. Essentially, all Kisame has to detect him is Shark Fusion Mode, which he would undoubtely use in conjunction with a water source.

His own technique (the water dome) would become his prison, since Mu could prevent himself being caught within its confines through flight and deploy Dust to destroy it completely.

It wouldn't be illogical to claim Mu has access to Earth techniques displayed by Oonki/Kitsuchi or at least him having a similar level of prowess in the element. High scale Earth release techniques would simply affirm his victory in this match up.

On a last note, Samehada is pretty useless in this fight too. If absorbing Fire is a difficult job, trying to digest Dust Release chakra would probably be impossible. The regenerative abilities it provides Kisame can't hope to save him from an attack which tears him apart on a molecular level.

Okay Shark fushion mode would at least sense his Charka. Samehada has the ability to track Charka.

Yes some senors can find Muu him because of no traces, however, Samaehada senses are different in comparison to the humans. So different guide lines apply.

The water source is Kisame himself who can create big lakes without water unlike Zabuza.


Mu can fly but so can Kisame. He would use his water shark to grasp him in the air. Thus water dome locked on and folllow him within the water dome confines.

The attack Mu uses takes time. Enough for Kisame to lunch the shark wave attack.

It would be numbers vs quality.

His beam would shoot a circular gape into the sharks while the other sharks Lay out GGing Mu in a collapsing motion.

Yes, the beam could hit Kisame but Kisame is known to make water clones in an instant.

 

[Xāvî1]

Muu sama.......................

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Oh Muu definitely.

Kisame is a powerhouse don't get me wrong but Muu is so versatile and can defeat a larger range of ninja because of the fact he's maybe the most tricky ninja in the whole list.