Kisame,Guy and Kakashi vs Kages(Gaara,Ay,Onoki,Tsunade,May)

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2. Actually I wasn't 'taking my precious time'. It takes roughly 15 seconds for me to type up that entire paragraph. all i had to do was simply edit my post directed at pateu.
3. Did you not notice the explosion of water around kakashi...? Clearly he didn't effectively warp the arrow in time. He only managed to warp who knows what so that he didn't get impaled. An explosion of water wouldn't come from anywhere...

Look, I'll humor you with 2 scans. First scan is mei to blanket the entire area with Mist. Second scan is a summary of the . Regardless if he's already placed the wormhole on mei, if she tosses up the mist, kakashi loses LoS and he'd be kamui'ing fog. There are a plethora of scans which show kamui not being as instant as you want to believe, especially not faster than breathing out.

2. It's still your time regardless and it's still contradictory.

3. So basically, you're saying Kakashi can warp something of high speed, it just had a bigger warp scale due to the fact that it was a last second reaction to something so fast and overwhelming, you just made Kakashi sound a hell of a lot better.. you know that... right..?


I keep seeing you post Kakashi's feats from hundreds of chapters ago, can't tell if serious? Kakashi has adapted and grown so much since the Gaara retrival Arc, lmao. The scan I provided of Kakashi warping the Susano'o arrow is more current and more accurate.


And you really think Mei is going to throw up her mist before she's helplessly warped? Being in the process of being warped most definitely throws off the concentration of . When Mei is moments away from being blasted away, I'm sure her thoughts will be confused, as if she could think up a way to avoid it before the process is already finished. As for the number of scans proving that Kamui is not as fast as I believe it is, are they scans prior to the one Vs. Sasuke..? Because they would be void.
 

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wait, is this a debate of Kakshi vs Garra!?!?
 

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Kakashi needed the blood for the dogs to know their target because he was surrounded by people- Asuma, Sakura, Naruto, Haku, Sasuke, Zabuza, himself i.e. lots of smells.

But here, it's only Mei and him so the dogs can track it.

And the mist obviously consumes chakra to use. Without chakra it disappears.

As to the dog bit. Even though that's quite possibly true, the only purpose of the dogs were to restrain zabuza at which point the mist dispersed. Mei can simply kill the dogs effortlessly with acid while they restrained her(like with zetsu). The mist wouldn't even disappear before those dogs die, and that's assuming boil release isn't even already up which would K0 those dogs before they touched mei.

@bold: Clearly, but you make it out to be that either;
-Mei has to actively hold up the mist and can't do anything with it up
-the mist has heavy chakra drain

None of which is true. Kakashi would be waiting 'outside' (which is quite far away if he can even find it) of the mist before mei's out of chakra.

No matter how you slice it, kakashi's sharingan is staying useless inside the mist and mei won't just stand around wasting chakra while kakashi sits around doing nothing. She'd clearly fight back.
 

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Hey what happened to the "gaara can control sand without chakra" arc? Gaara controlling normal sand without chakra is similar to how sasuke controls kirin, remember sasuke used that move with practically no chakra.
 

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The dogs can simply move back if they feel the acid.

No acid in the world melts you on touch. Acid is not a great jutsu due to it being a cloud around you, which makes it good in closed areas, but not so much here.

As for Kakashi, he can stay out of the mist and unless I am wrong Mei has no silent killing, meaning she can't hit him either.
 

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2. It's still your time regardless and it's still contradictory.

3. So basically, you're saying Kakashi can warp something of high speed, it just had a bigger warp scale due to the fact that it was a last second reaction to something so fast and overwhelming, you just made Kakashi sound a hell of a lot better.. you know that... right..?


I keep seeing you post Kakashi's feats from hundreds of chapters ago, can't tell if serious? Kakashi has adapted and grown so much since the Gaara retrival Arc, lmao. The scan I provided of Kakashi warping the Susano'o arrow is more current and more accurate.


And you really think Mei is going to throw up her mist before she's helplessly warped? Being in the process of being warped most definitely throws off the concentration of . When Mei is moments away from being blasted away, I'm sure her thoughts will be confused, as if she could think up a way to avoid it before the process is already finished. As for the number of scans proving that Kamui is not as fast as I believe it is, are they scans prior to the one Vs. Sasuke..? Because they would be void.
This is my last post to you as it's pretty useless right now since all you're doing is attempting a useless kamui 1 shot. I'm not even sure if you know of all of kakashi's other abilities at this point...

3. I don't know how you gathered that. I specifically said Kakashi failed to fully warp the arrow due to the explosion which occured on the water indicating something hit it(arrow). Kakashi clearly only warped piece of an arrow or redirected it, or whatever but he didn't even warp the full arrow.

Here's the most recent scans of Kamui's time[ ][ ]. Kakashi even (like amaterasu) to be used - meaning he can warp faster once he's wasted his time building up enough chakra. Factoring in that + the warp speed means what you're suggesting is flat out impossible.

Lol. Deidara moved. So much for throwing off concentration. Kakashi isn't removing his headband, activating MS and warping an entire person in 0.1 seconds. It's never been done. Larger objects take longer time, mist would be up long before that. Rofl at how hard you're trying to make Kamui just work right off the bat... Lmao. At least Pateu is giving follow up arguments.
 

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lmao @ people who think Tsunade is a non-factor... she has more chakra than Gai and Kakashi combined...
 

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Mei. She is strong with all her jutsus but kishi has refused to acknowledge her and give her some love, that is why everyone thinks she is weak and it is hard for people to accept that she can beat kakashi because he is an established character. On this base most people rate characters based on the amount of spot light they have received or are receiving, e.g minato and now sasuke, not saying that they are not strong but they are wanked hardest when they are in the spot light.
 

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The dogs can simply move back if they feel the acid.

No acid in the world melts you on touch. Acid is not a great jutsu due to it being a cloud around you, which makes it good in closed areas, but not so much here.

As for Kakashi, he can stay out of the mist and unless I am wrong Mei has no silent killing, meaning she can't hit him either.

@bold: Dafuq, pateu?

@second bold: Ughh... what? Hidden mist is a cloud around you and it's used in open areas. This doesn't even make sense.

I don't even know whether you're serious about melt on touch part lol. Have you ever done chemistry? Do you think that they told you not to spill the acid on your skin for fun? For that matter do you think they went through the added precaution of diluting it to concentrations lower than 20%(IIRC)? But, i'll just go with a manga page ... Those dogs would be severely hemorrhaging by the point they noticed the acid, stopped their momentum, reversed their momentum, and continued along in the opposite direction.

As to your last sentence. I can't argue with mei having no silent killing. However, it's illogical to think Mei would have a jutsu that hinders her abilities, especially when we consider the fact that ay and onoki found Madara in the mist when he couldn't see a thing out.
 

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Lmao at this post. Bout to go in, so much for you not responding because chances are you will.

This is my last post to you as it's pretty useless right now since all you're doing is attempting a useless kamui 1 shot. I'm not even sure if you know of all of kakashi's other abilities at this point...


So because I'm saying Kakashi's strongest ability is enough for Mei you doubt that I understand Kakashi's ability's..? Seems legit.


3. I don't know how you gathered that. I specifically said Kakashi failed to fully warp the arrow due to the explosion which occured on the water indicating something hit it(arrow). Kakashi clearly only warped piece of an arrow or redirected it, or whatever but he didn't even warp the full arrow.

So now you're suggesting that Kakashi didn't warp the entire arrow... oh.. my.. goodness. That one-sided argumentative speculation. How exactly do you know that wasn't the side effects of Kakashi's Kamui..?:rolleyes:

I mean, did you see any remnants of the Susano'o arrow..? Because I didn't.



Here's the most recent scans of Kamui's time[ ][ ]. Kakashi even (like amaterasu) to be used - meaning he can warp faster once he's wasted his time building up enough chakra. Factoring in that + the warp speed means what you're suggesting is flat out impossible.

You're not helping your argument at all, you understand that right? In the first two scans you provided, Kakashi is warping a moving Kunai that obviously still has it's speed potency in the blade, as it Obito's mask. And you're comparing the Gedo Mazou's head to Mei's small body? Can't tell if serious.. of course it will require more chakra control and build up time to perform such a task, this is lunacy, to be honest.

Lol. Deidara moved. So much for throwing off concentration. Kakashi isn't removing his headband, activating MS and warping an entire person in 0.1 seconds. It's never been done. Larger objects take longer time, mist would be up long before that. Rofl at how hard you're trying to make Kamui just work right off the bat... Lmao. At least Pateu is giving follow up arguments.

It was more difficult for Kakashi to utilize his Jutsu's use properly due to the fact that he was still new to the Jutsu, and Deidara was already in motion and in an aerial position. And again.. we're talking about feats from hundreds of chapters prior to now. Kakashi has feats of warping objects within mere seconds, that should be enough. This last paragraph is filled mostly with biased speculation to prove your dull argument wrong. Larger objects take larger time huh..? Kakashi warped something of size in less then 3-5 seconds. Are you trying to tell me Mei is bigger than the Susano'o arrow depicted in the image provided? You probably would, lmao.

Conclusion: Mei is underrated and Kakashi and his Kamui ability are indeed overrated and overly used. However, just because something is overrated doesn't make it fallacy, it's one of the most haxed abilities in the Manga, and there is more than enough evidence to prove that it could take out Mei is Kakashi chose to do so. Deal with it.

If you choose not to reply, fine by me, picking apart these half-assed responses are proving bothersome.
 

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Team 2 takes it mid diff at best and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably a Kakashi fanboy.

A and Gaara could both take down Kakashi in a 1v1.

Onoki only loses cause Kakashi is a bad match up for him.

Basicly this match will be:

Gaara could probably solo Kakashi, but lets call it Gaara + Tsunade + Mei > Kakashi just to honor his fanboys.

A takes down Guy high diff.

Onoki takes down Kisame mid diff. He won't have any problems staying out of Kisames range with his speed and levitation.
 

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Team 2 takes it mid diff at best and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably a Kakashi fanboy.

A and Gaara could both take down Kakashi in a 1v1.

Onoki only loses cause Kakashi is a bad match up for him.

Basicly this match will be:

Gaara could probably solo Kakashi, but lets call it Gaara + Tsunade + Mei > Kakashi just to honor his fanboys.

A takes down Guy high diff.

Onoki takes down Kisame mid diff. He won't have any problems staying out of Kisames range with his speed and levitation.

The location is VotE and the starting distance is 200M.

This is Kisame heaven.
 

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The location is VotE and the starting distance is 200M.

This is Kisame heaven.

The Gokage can close the distance pretty easily by using Gaara's sand and Onoki's light weight rock technique.
 

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Team 2 takes it mid diff at best and anyone who thinks otherwise is probably a Kakashi fanboy.

A and Gaara could both take down Kakashi in a 1v1.

Onoki only loses cause Kakashi is a bad match up for him.

Basicly this match will be:

Gaara could probably solo Kakashi, but lets call it Gaara + Tsunade + Mei > Kakashi just to honor his fanboys.

A takes down Guy high diff.

Onoki takes down Kisame mid diff. He won't have any problems staying out of Kisames range with his speed and levitation.

They are lmao. Best argument is Kamui GG in here. Actually, it's the only argument.

Ay/Tsunade/Gaara > Guy
Gaara/Mei/Ay > Kakashi
Combination of Tsunade and onoki, or anyone and mei is enough to take on Kisame. Due to the massive water source on the field, Mei has a massive advantage just like kisame. Since, like him, she also pushes out massive levels of suiton which can help protect her team from his attacks (except GSB).

The only massive problem in here is kisame. Once 'kamui GG' is stopped, guy and Kakashi are essentially not that useful. The kages can block their attacks easily. Gokage are very underrated in here.
 

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Have you ever done chemistry?

Quite so. In fact, I'm studying Medicine and had to take Biology and Chemistry exams.

However, you are overrating the abilities of acid to no ends.

Do you know how in Breaking Bad they use acid to -MELT- human bodies? That's bullcrap. Look at Mythbusters on youtube and you'll see that acid doesn't melt skin, it simply eats at it. They put humanlike tissue in concentraded hydrofluoric acid and after 24 days it was still there ( wounded, sure, but it wasn't melt ).

And the dogs can obviously go back if they feel the acid. What I meant by saying that it's usable in closed areas is that since it's a mist, you can simply go away from it. In a closed area you obviously can't go through the wall and run away.

Mei sealed the room for the acid to be usable.

Let me explain how using it in a closed space works.

Mei sealed the room, so there was no gas coming in or out. That means that if she used the acid, there would be no gas interferences with the atmosphere -IN THAT CLOSED ROOM-. So she could control the ph perfectly.

But in a wide open area? You'll have a very unstable air composition. Furthermore, Kakashi's suiton fired at her acid mist will dramatically reduce the acid concentration and it's obvious that the acid release jutsu takes more chakra than Kakashi's suitons do, so that's not a valid option for Mei.

Acid can also be countered by Kakashi going underground.
However, it's illogical to think Mei would have a jutsu that hinders her abilities, especially when we consider the fact that ay and onoki found Madara in the mist when he couldn't see a thing out.

Mei doesn't have Ay or Onoki's speed or melee potential. If she goes in CQC she gets raped.
 
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Quite so. In fact, I'm studying Medicine and had to take Biology and Chemistry exams.

However, you are overrating the abilities of acid to no ends.

Do you know how in Breaking Bad they use acid to -MELT- human bodies? That's bullcrap. Look at Mythbusters on youtube and you'll see that acid doesn't melt skin, it simply eats at it. They put humanlike tissue in concentraded hydrofluoric acid and after 24 days it was still there ( wounded, sure, but it wasn't melt ).

And the dogs can obviously go back if they feel the acid. What I meant by saying that it's usable in closed areas is that since it's a mist, you can simply go away from it. In a closed area you obviously can't go through the wall and run away.

Mei sealed the room for the acid to be usable.

Let me explain how using it in a closed space works.

Mei sealed the room, so there was no gas coming in or out. That means that if she used the acid, there would be no gas interferences with the atmosphere -IN THAT CLOSED ROOM-. So she could control the ph perfectly.

But in a wide open area? You'll have a very unstable air composition. Furthermore, Kakashi's suiton fired at her acid mist will dramatically reduce the acid concentration and it's obvious that the acid release jutsu takes more chakra than Kakashi's suitons do, so that's not a valid option for Mei.

Acid can also be countered by Kakashi going underground.


Mei doesn't have Ay or Onoki's speed or melee potential. If she goes in CQC she gets raped.

Acid melts skin quite quickly. It's bone and the underlying that takes time - up to days - to melt. From the moment the dogs touch the acid, their skin would start to corrode. By the point the become aware and leave, they're have been hit by acid (of at least pH 1) for no less than 2 seconds. The dogs would have severe open wounds and would be bleeding profusely. I never claimed that acid would melt them in an instant, so I don't know where you get i'm overrating it from. The simple truth is that those dogs would bleed out and die within a matter of minutes from touching that acid. Even if they leave in time, they'd die relatively soon after since there's no medic around to heal those head to toe wounds.

In other words, the dogs are dying from blood loss, not melting; A human body can only survive on half the total amount of blood, i'm sure a dog's body doesn't differ too far from this.

@2nd bold: Incorrect. Mei closed the room become her acid does not discriminate between friend and foe. There were many allies in the surrounding zone, with only 2 foes. If she were to leave the room opened, she'd injure every single person around. As we can see , mei had to manually neutralize the pH so that it would cause no harm to her allies who were out in the open(take note that there was a hole in the wall leading to outside). Therefore, she does not require an enclosed environment to maintain the pH. She's capable of doing it where ever she pleases as she does indeed control the pH, hence simple environmental factors aren't enough to ruin her control.

Kakashi going underground is a valid argument. I'm glad we're not wasting time on this Kamui GG nonsense anymore. However, once underground, kakashi can only maneuver away from mei. If he moves towards her to use the head hunter jutsu, she spits acid or lava on him and he dies. If he moves in for a raikiri, he'd be in excrutiating pain to the point where he'd not be able to even do the jutsu; due to corrosion. Let's not forget that, unlike those mythbuster gelatin dolls, humans have nerves. Kakashi would not only have to kill mei before he bleeds out, but he'd also have to continue his assault without flinching one bit under the pain . In a sense, it would be like trying to stab someone while boiling water is being poured onto you.

As to your final line, onoki has no melee potential. The hell? Mei's in fact shown better melee potential than Onoki along with the fact that she could surround herself in acid while engaging in CQC, but anyway that's not the point. The point is that, due to hidden mist, Kakashi's reaction time is hindered along with his sharingan pre-cog and kamui GG. Due to boil release, he can't get close to melee her which means raikiri, head hunter, and even his hunter nin dogs are effectively useless. This leaves kakashi with his only viable mid-long range techs which are suiton moves. Unless there's already a water source nearby(kakashi's never done it without one), kakashi's not using suiton whereas mei can blast him with lava, suiton, etc while his reactions are being hindered. Yes, Mei's boil release and other jutsu take chakra, but this fight won't last long enough for that to become a factor.

Hindered reflexes + Impossibility to do CQC means kakashi loses.

Side note: Good luck with medicine. How many years do you have left? Everyone always told me to take medicine, but I hate blood too much for that, though I do miss doing science. Left it behind for computer science. :T_T:

EDIT: I can kinda see where you may have thought i meant melt the dogs into a puddle from my response to your 'melt on touch'. But i meant melt/corrode skin which is why I spoke about dripping acid on your skin/hemorrhaging.
 
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Can niggas dodge this question even harder? I'll answer you correctly. The normal Environmental sand (Not guard sand) isn't infused with chakra. However, it is manipulated by chakra evident by the databook. "The speed, hardness, and scale of the sand depends on the amount of chakra applied"

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This question is answered by the Location When Gaara fought in desert against Kimimaru he had uper hand but Now he fights in "Waley of the end"And i must say this Guy on 8th gates shits on the most of Kages Speed,Strength and Stamina so i say Kakashi,Guy and Kisame wins
 
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