Kisame,Guy and Kakashi vs Kages(Gaara,Ay,Onoki,Tsunade,May)

[Prince Charles]

Onoki solos Kismae mid diff, kismae lacks the speed to avoid dust release. Aypossibly solos him as well.

Garra solos kakashi

Mei and Tsunade entertain Gai until either Ay or onoki arrives.

What form of jinton are we talking about where? The box form that Onoki used on sasuke during the 5 kage summit? That probably won't work since it's chakra based and kisame will likely absorb it. Anyway's your underestimating kisame capabilities here as he can easily make a lake where he can ride on the water increasing his speed which means potentially evading Jinton beam for a period of time, Onoki's chakra reserves will only hold up for long till the point where he can't perform jinton anymore and get's easily taken out by kisame or Kakashi.

Or how about Kisame is taking on Ay and Onoki and guy is handling Tsunade and Mei while kakashi handles Gaara via kamui warp?

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Onoki solos Kismae mid diff, kismae lacks the speed to avoid dust release. Aypossibly solos him as well.

Garra solos kakashi

Mei and Tsunade entertain Gai until either Ay or onoki arrives.

Daikodan flattens Onoki and his arsenal.

Kamui deals with Gaara right off the bat.

Do try to provide an argument for Mei and Tsunade withstanding Hirodora - which is a designated one-hit killer that even a far weaker version flattened Susano'o [

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This is just me being blunt.

 

[blazekev90]

Let's not get out of hand. While Oonoki does have a good chance at beating Kisame. It's nothing short of high difficulty for both sides. Whereas Ay loses, he certainly doesn't beat Kisame.

You're also assuming that that is how the battle will go. If Kisame were to choose to go after Gaara, he's not going to be around for too long. Kakashi can deal with Oonoki and Ay, to an extent.

Garra solos kisame too, water slows garra. Kisame's water release isnt oil enhanced lile the 2nd Mizukage. We've seen Garra mix sand and water before.

I put Garra and Kakashi because they're the most familiar and Garra has the highest chance soloing him lol

Kakashi can't deal with them bith. His sharingan wouldn't be able to follow Ay, he'll be on edge too much and would run outta chakra.

 

[Fodder#4]

Garra solos kisame too, water slows garra. Kisame's water release isnt oil enhanced lile the 2nd Mizukage. We've seen Garra mix sand and water before.

I put Garra and Kakashi because they're the most familiar and Garra has the highest chance soloing him lol

Kakashi can't deal with them bith. His sharingan wouldn't be able to follow Ay, he'll be on edge too much and would run outta chakra.

The suiton element isn't the only thing that Kisame has that is capable of defeating Gaara. The fact of the matter is, Gaara is bound to be out of his element when against Kisame. Once he floods the battlefield [Unless in a fighting stage that is favored for Gaara] Gaara's erosion on the ground is much more challenging.

First, he must send his sand down through the suiton below him while either using portions of it to keep himself guarded from Kisame [In vain] or he flies. If he chooses to fly, Kisame could simply target the sand trying to make it out to the bottom of the lake and use Samehada to absorb that chakra. If he tries to vainly use the sand to defend himself, Samehada absorbs and smashes through it. Throws Gaara underwater, and then uses the five feeding sharks technique to create a strong current of water and drown him.

If he flies, nothing stomps Kisame from using yet another Bakusui Shōha to increase the size of his lake.

How does Gaara win...?

 

[blazekev90]

What form of jinton are we talking about where? The box form that Onoki used on sasuke during the 5 kage summit? That probably won't work since it's chakra based and kisame will likely absorb it. Anyway's your underestimating kisame capabilities here as he can easily make a lake where he can ride on the water increasing his speed which means potentially evading Jinton beam for a period of time, Onoki's chakra reserves will only hold up for long till the point where he can't perform jinton anymore and get's easily taken out by kisame or Kakashi.

Or how about Kisame is taking on Ay and Onoki and guy is handling Tsunade and Mei while kakashi handles Gaara via kamui warp?

Kisame making a lakewouldn't be in his favor. We've seen his one shot flower world, i see him using the same technique. Him and ay together? Have you seen there combo? If Onoki lightens Ay it's over for Kisame IMO

Tsuande and Mei i just throw anywhere lol

Garra is the only one whobhas the ability to depend kamui other thn Ay

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

@Blazekev - It was a small amount of Water, it's sole purpose was to weigh down Madara and for Raiton to be able to mixed with it to numb Madara. [

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[Bieber]

The Gokage have no chances of winning.

 

[Prince Charles]

Not really up for debating this but...

I honestly feel people overrate that feat of Gaara mixing his sand with Mei's suiton dragon.. Realistically water should makes the control of sand much more harder, saying gaara will have no trouble regarding his sand manipulation while up against a massive scale suiton user like kisame is fan fiction at best. You can't compare that petty water dragon to a lake which kisame can create, IMO water still hinders gaara's sand.

Edit - If you actually analyze the scan with Gaara mixing in his sand with Mei's sution dragon you can actually see the sand taking much more longer IMO than it usually would to cover a person, probably due to the water.

 

[blazekev90]

The suiton element isn't the only thing that Kisame has that is capable of defeating Gaara. The fact of the matter is, Gaara is bound to be out of his element when against Kisame. Once he floods the battlefield [Unless in a fighting stage that is favored for Gaara] Gaara's erosion on the ground is much more challenging.

First, he must send his sand down through the suiton below him while either using portions of it to keep himself guarded from Kisame [In vain] or he flies. If he chooses to fly, Kisame could simply target the sand trying to make it out to the bottom of the lake and use Samehada to absorb that chakra. If he tries to vainly use the sand to defend himself, Samehada absorbs and smashes through it. Throws Gaara underwater, and then uses the five feeding sharks technique to create a strong current of water and drown him.

If he flies, nothing stomps Kisame from using yet another Bakusui Shōha to increase the size of his lake.

How does Gaara win...?

Sheesh y'all are replying fast, i might have to eventually get on my labtop! Lol

Honestly i don't see Garra giving Kismae the breathing room to make a heap of water. If kisame doesn't go for that instantly, Garra would overwhelm him but if he does, Garra isn't owning Kismae, which is why i parred him w/ Kakashi haha

However, let's not underestimate Garra (I'm feeling defensive) here. Garrairborne and Kismae below isn't doing neither one a favor. Not all of his sand in chakra enhanced.

 

[Prince Charles]

Sheesh y'all are replying fast, i might have to eventually get on my labtop! Lol

Honestly i don't see Garra giving Kismae the breathing room to make a heap of water. If kisame doesn't go for that instantly, Garra would overwhelm him but if he does, Garra isn't owning Kismae, which is why i parred him w/ Kakashi haha

However, let's not underestimate Garra (I'm feeling defensive) here. Garrairborne and Kismae below isn't doing neither one a favor. Not all of his sand in chakra enhanced.

It isnt? I thought it was? how did you come to this conclusion?

 

[Fodder#4]

Sheesh y'all are replying fast, i might have to eventually get on my labtop! Lol

Honestly i don't see Garra giving Kismae the breathing room to make a heap of water. If kisame doesn't go for that instantly, Garra would overwhelm him but if he does, Garra isn't owning Kismae, which is why i parred him w/ Kakashi haha

However, let's not underestimate Garra (I'm feeling defensive) here. Garrairborne and Kismae below isn't doing neither one a favor. Not all of his sand in chakra enhanced.

Kisame tends to do that early on.... And, what? Could ye' provie some solid proof of the chakra enhanced sand claim? I always imagined that all the sand he manipulated had his chakra in it.. otherwise, how would he.. Be capable of manipulating it?

 

[blazekev90]

@Blazekev - It was a small amount of Water, it's sole purpose was to weigh down Madara and for Raiton to be able to mixed with it to numb Madara. [

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It isnt? I thought it was? how did you come to this conclusion?

His enhanced chakra is mixed in his gourd, i believe i remember Deidara mentioning this. Environmental sand is simply manipulated. You can correct if I'm wrong, I'll check in a few.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

It isnt? I thought it was? how did you come to this conclusion?

Because madara could not absorb the sand along with the water and lightning.

 

[blazekev90]

Kisame tends to do that early on.... And, what? Could ye' provie some solid proof of the chakra enhanced sand claim? I always imagined that all the sand he manipulated had his chakra in it.. otherwise, how would he.. Be capable of manipulating it?

Not is his fight against Bee. Or Taka ( 1 vs 1). He started instantly against Gaimainly becuase he had a grudge against him adter their first encounter

 

[Fodder#4]

His enhanced chakra is mixed in his gourd, i believe i remember Deidara mentioning this. Environmental sand is simply manipulated. You can correct if I'm wrong, I'll check in a few.

Not is his fight against Bee. Or Taka ( 1 vs 1). He started instantly against Gaimainly becuase he had a grudge against him adter their first encounter

Even if it's manipulated sand, there should still be chakra in it allowing it to move. otherwise, I don't see how Gaara is capable of using it. And, no. He didn't start out with it against any opponent early on. But the fact of the matter is, it comes fairly soon with Kisame. Once he decides to take control over the battle, that is.

And lol at the taka thing. You mean when he was fighting Suigetsu...? The Shinobi who can merge with a water source? Yes, because it would be intelligent to use a suiton with someone like that around.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

When something is natural, it cannot be absorbed, at least from what madara said "only physical jutsus can work on me" meaning natural things that are controlled not chakra that has been transformed into an element.

 

[blazekev90]

Not really up for debating this but...

I honestly feel people overrate that feat of Gaara mixing his sand with Mei's suiton dragon.. Realistically water should makes the control of sand much more harder, saying gaara will have no trouble regarding his sand manipulation while up against a massive scale suiton user like kisame is fan fiction at best. You can't compare that petty water dragon to a lake which kisame can create, IMO water still hinders gaara's sand.

Edit - If you actually analyze the scan with Gaara mixing in his sand with Mei's sution dragon you can actually see the sand taking much more longer IMO than it usually would to cover a person, probably due to the water.

Yes, his sand becomes thick heavy n slow. Garra can make amounts covering nearly entire village. So while throwing this amount in Kisames water wouldn't help him, is it helping Kismae to have the in his water?

 

[blazekev90]

Even if it's manipulated sand, there should still be chakra in it allowing it to move. otherwise, I don't see how Gaara is capable of using it. And, no. He didn't start out with it against any opponent early on. But the fact of the matter is, it comes fairly soon with Kisame. Once he decides to take control over the battle, that is.

And lol at the taka thing. You mean when he was fighting Suigetsu...? The Shinobi who can merge with a water source? Yes, because it would be intelligent to use a suiton with someone like that around.

You asked for examples and i gabe you them haha

Is fairly soon enough? Watch the kimmimaro fight, if he doesn't start "fairly soon" samd is coming in all directions and Kisame will be having to duck and dodge, we all he doesn't have superior speed lol

Lol @ me entertaining your match-up

 

[Prince Charles]

When something is natural, it cannot be absorbed, at least from what madara said "only physical jutsus can work on me" meaning natural things that are controlled not chakra that has been transformed into an element.

gaara is known for mixing his chakra in with his sand.

His enhanced chakra is mixed in his gourd, i believe i remember Deidara mentioning this. Environmental sand is simply manipulated. You can correct if I'm wrong, I'll check in a few.

Not too sure my self.

Because madara could not absorb the sand along with the water and lightning.

Not really. It was actually due to the lightning and water that made Madara's body become

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[Fodder#4]

I'm now quite interested in this sand thing. Certainly going to look into it. Because I don't see how Gaara is capable of freely manipulating sand with no present chakra in it. Sounds.. Outlandish... But, I'll look into it.

Yes, I am well aware of that. But, recall how Kisame normally does start out a fight. A rush with Samehada against the opponent.. And, with Gaara forced to use his gourd sand, chakra enhanced without a doubt. Samehada rips through it and has the potential to nail Gaara fairly easy.

And, if Gaara were to fly then Kisame would naturally flood the battlefield to try and catch him.