Kisame didn't actually think Tobi was Madara

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what goodness is it in this thread??...all of it is just nonsense??....why you poeple apreciatte illogical thread...and despise logical ones?....

-you knw what?....you dizerve to be fooled by kishimoto...i swear i won't save you from kishimoto's illusion....so stay victims of it..blind naruto community
I was hoping you'd avoid this thread considering you'd just make a bigger enemy out of yourself.... but here you are. All you're doing is insulting other members and calling my threads illogical. You have no class whatsoever. The more you overreact like this the more obvious your intentions become. You can't handle anyone proving your various crackpot theories invalid. You might as well quit.
 

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I was hoping you'd avoid this thread considering you'd just make a bigger enemy out of yourself.... but here you are. All you're doing is insulting other members and calling my threads illogical. You have no class whatsoever. The more you overreact like this the more obvious your intentions become. You can't handle anyone proving your various crackpot theories invalid. You might as well quit.
1-me didn't insult anyone here...

2-calling some theory illogical isn't an insult....(facepalm)

3-kisame saw Madra...kisame is trustworthy shinobi...thus isntead of deying kisame's trustworthines and proving that he saw obito's face..you must use kisame trustworthiness as basis to prove that he saw Madara...in other words you are walking on your head, and i am trying to make you walk on your feet...

4-the fact that you created this thread is the proof that you inwardly knew that kisame seeing obito's face don't make sense...your mind is still bothred by this kisame seeing obito's face idea....you inwardly knew Tobidara makes sense...but instead of believing in minamoto's tobidara theory, you choosed the wrong path and came up with a nonsense theory such as this thread...

5-i made a promise of a true man, that me minamoto shall make tobidara get revealed....obito stole the glory of the reall masked man madara...and i am here to give it back to its reall owner...MADARA TOBIDARA!!!..

6-Tobidara is best villain and a badasss mastermind in the truest meaning of the term..he is far better then his other part Rikudo Madara....you shall only realize that someday..

7-your thoughts are still fodder...you can't even see through kishimoto's deception..PEACE!
 

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in one of those same pages, "Tobi" removes the mask, Kisame looks at "Tobi's" face, and calls him Mizukage, then Madara.

I think it's safe to say Kisame thought Obito was Madara.
 
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1-me didn't insult anyone here...

2-calling some theory illogical isn't an insult....(facepalm)

3-kisame saw Madra...kisame is trustworthy shinobi...thus isntead of deying kisame's trustworthines and proving that he saw obito's face..you must use kisame trustworthiness as basis to prove that he saw Madara...in other words you are walking on your head, and i am trying to make you walk on your feet...

4-the fact that you created this thread is the proof that you inwardly knew that kisame seeing obito's face don't make sense...your mind is still bothred by this kisame seeing obito's face idea....you inwardly knew Tobidara makes sense...but instead of believing in minamoto's tobidara theory, you choosed the wrong path and came up with a nonsense theory such as this thread...

5-i made a promise of a true man, that me minamoto shall make tobidara get revealed....obito stole the glory of the reall masked man madara...and i am here to give it back to its reall owner...MADARA TOBIDARA!!!..

6-Tobidara is best villain and a badasss mastermind in the truest meaning of the term..he is far better then his other part Rikudo Madara....you shall only realize that someday..

7-your thoughts are still fodder...you can't even see through kishimoto's deception..PEACE!

Yes you did insult people here. You insulted them for approving of my thread and not believing these events were explainable outside of your theory. You even disliked everyone's post in this thread that gave positive feedback to me. Its so obvious you're a hater against anyone who logically forms arguments against your theory. This forum would be much more civil without you around.

in one of those same pages, "Tobi" removes the mask, Kisame looks at "Tobi's" face, and calls him Mizukage, then Madara.

I think it's safe to say Kisame thought Obito was Madara.
Please understand that this thread is directly explaining your concern. I asserted that the position you are in favor of is the misconception. I went on to say that he refers to Obito as such because of his first meeting with him. Obito was the true Mizukage, that's the truth, yet Kisame was going along with calling him Madara out of loyalty. He didn't actually believe he was Madara, he simply believed in his plan and his ambitions. Because of that loyalty, he went along with calling him Madara out of respect.

Again, your thinking that he actually believed Tobi to be Madara is why I made this thread.
 

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I really liked and enjoyed your perspective. I on the other hand always believed that the man who controlled Yagura was Madara. The real Madara. When Kisame actually saw Obito, he realized the lies Obito used to take over Akatsuki, but chose to follow through with the plan, as it was built on lies but would result in fulfillment and true peace; peace born out of lies.
 
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Yes you did insult people here. You insulted them for approving of my thread and not believing these events were explainable outside of your theory. You even disliked everyone's post in this thread that gave positive feedback to me. Its so obvious you're a hater against anyone who logically forms arguments against your theory. This forum would be much more civil without you around.

your thread is very patheitic...its so simple....its bears same thoughts of everone's mind....your mind is afraid to approach the complexities of The Mystery that is still tobi...but me no...i enter tobidara Hellodom and invistigate on it...that's the difference between me and you...Tobidara says " reall winner is he who choses to focus on the futur"..this apllies on tobito reveal...tobito reveal was just an ilusion to fool poeple like you ..but true victory is the tobidara reveal victory...reall victory is the one that is delayed!!..


-your thread is humiliation for kisame's character...what's even funnier, is the hypocricy in the end of your thread where you pathetically try to save kisame's honor wich was a fail attempt...

-dude it's so fvvckin easy and simple ; you only got 2 options to chose :

1-either kisame died being fooled by obito...wich means kisame got fooled like dumb by obito

OR...

2-Kisame died like Hero protecting Tobidara's secrets....

i can read your man as a konan's white paper...your brains refuses to believe that kisame got fooled by obito, yet at the same time it refuses to believe that tobi is Madara...that's why you came up with a hypocricy conclusion...saying that kisame knew that tobi was just an liar who pretended to be Madara...


for last time : i offer you to join my tobidara side...its side of truth bro...COME!!!!
 

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I really like and enjoyed your perspective. I on the other hand always believed that the man who controlled Yagura was Madara. The real Madara. When Kisame actually saw Obito, he realized the lies Obito used to take over Akatsuki, but chose to follow through with the plan, as it was built on lies but would result in fulfillment and true peace; peace born out of lies.

I agree. I too originally believed the one controlling Yagura was the true Madara, but after Obito's reveal things obviously changed. I feel the same, Kisame legitimately believed in the ultimate goal of the plan, and that's why he dedicated himself so much to a liar.
 

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What exactly are you arguing against? Do you agree Kisame knew he wasn't actually Madara and are claiming Kishi's story telling is weak? Or do you believe Kisame was indeed fooled by the ruse?

Kisame acted hasty in life perhaps because he was hungry for more power and excitement. Once he became a killer of his own allies, he grew a new hunger, one for finding a place to belong. Obito gave him that, and therefore gave him a reason to take his time more and wait for the plan to come to fruition.
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I do agree the man he spoke with -Obito- filled such hope but do not think Tobi was Obito at all. I can see a funny teacher, I cannot sea a stupid one. Then again, the words spoken by Obito are truly Madara like, so probably I´ll have to eat the BS cake that Obito was an incredible actor.
 

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I do agree the man he spoke with -Obito- filled such hope but do not think Tobi was Obito at all. I can see a funny teacher, I cannot sea a stupid one. Then again, the words spoken by Obito are truly Madara like, so probably I´ll have to eat the BS cake that Obito was an incredible actor.
BS cake huh? I think that pretty accurately describes Kishi's method of proving Tobi was Obito. We're used to it though.
 
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