Kisame and Bee > Sasori and Minato right?

[TRE MERCER]

Of course it does because mindset drastically alters a ninja's performance in battle.

Your right it does so Sasori wouldn't even use his poison since it could hurt Minato.

Killer bee will do anything to get the win.

 

[NarutoX28]

Your right it does so Sasori wouldn't even use his poison since it could hurt Minato.

Killer bee will do anything to get the win.

Sasori can easily control the trajectory of his poison through Iron Sand, so that's an unjustified concern.

That's also a blatant contradiction considering Killer Bee didn't attempt to nuke the entire battlefield against Kisame considering it would've injured his comrades within his proximity.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No that was only being stated with Naruto since he hadn't mastered it at all if there is no pain with entering v1 or v2 than ending it would completely change the dynamic of how it works thus no blood. V2 cloaks don't contain blood when used by Perfect Jins. If he uses gas like poison like i said then he poisons his own partner. Killer bee on the other hand could use his tails to completely blow the gas like poison out of the air. Naruto was not a Perfect Jin in that instant. If you can prove to KM Naruto cloak having blood infused in it then your right but you can't prove that so drop the argument. Killer bee would never be put down from the poison in time for Sasori to win anyways. We've seen how long it took to take down Kankuro it would fair much worst to Hachibi

Once again Naruto having imperfect side effects does not changed the chakra priorities. The manga explains that what makes V2 armor is the fact that both the user flesh and the beast chakra are infusing to humanoid form. We got more detail from Bee's fight that V2 is basically mini-Buijuu Mode form. I showed 3 scans backing this premise up. KCM Naruto cloak is irrelevant and I dont need it to prove my point. If I were to make a comparison KCM would be similar to using V1 chakra. Either way NOT RELEVANT so dont even follow it up with this.

Bro whatever the poison takes 3 days to kill is not relevant.

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. And Team 2 is not going to stand around and wait, they could if they want.

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Bro clearly chakra arm jutsu doesnt carry the same priorities as the body itself otherwise theres no way Orochimaru, Kakashi and Guy would of touch them. This shouldnt even had to be addressed.

Sasori iron sand is useless here. Also if Sasori is just poisoning everything up as you claim how does Minato stay clear? Iron sand launching can be dodged be either Kisame or Killer bee. He doesn't have to make WD to flush out Sasori poison. He has water clones which can perform his jutsu for him. Sasori won't be moving Kunai out of Bee's Bijuudama range fast enough to matter.

Lol no its not. I really feel like you dont even know the characters moveset. Have you not heard of Flying Thunder God?

Killer Bee is debatable that he would dodged IS fastest launch speed. Kisame is not. No feats suggest he can avoid the fastest launch speed of IS and using it with FTG V2 makes this game over him. But staying underwater would be prove to be difficult to catch. But ISWO wouldnt benefit for Kisame either. What jutsus are even going to help Kisame's Clone stop IS attacks again?

@Bold Um yes with ease, as he can literally have one float in the air and another launch in a far far position. And the fact that S/T Barrier via Minato, embarrasses the jutsu and redirects it to him.

Kisame doesn't have to cover mountain range since Bijuudama explosion don't dig 1000's of feet into the ground. Minato can behead Samehada infused Kisame with a Kunai?

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so that's not happening.

You are overrating Kisame ability to swim underground, as you have no feats to say he can reach thousands of feet underneath. Either if I accept this claim, once again Buijuudama is not relevant in this match and in facts backfires against Bee.

Um yes Minato Kunai packs more power then Bee's sword, which was capable of splitting Bee's flesh testicle with a single strike. And I dont know where you got the conclusion that fusion Kisame as the durability as his sword. It doesnt so dont even use this as a point

The poison isn't going to contaminate neither of them when Kisame clones will be the ones to flush them out. Let's say there caught the poison wouldn't be able to put neither of them down in time for the duo to win. If Minato tries to teleport away Killer shoots a Bijuudama to expose of him.

Which you have yet to explain how. And lol already explained how Sasori poison works. And lol already explain Buijuudama factor, yet alone lol at you aruging where Bee would predict where Minato would teleport.

BM Killer bee would use a blast Bijuudama to blow the iron sand away easily or Kisame could counter attack it with GSB. Killer bee and Kisame are much more deadlier.

IS comes out faster and it can changed direction so no. S/T and teleportation lol's on these jutsus. So no they get hit no exception.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sasori can easily control the trajectory of his poison through Iron Sand, so that's an unjustified concern.

That's also a blatant contradiction considering Killer Bee didn't attempt to nuke the entire battlefield against Kisame considering it would've injured his comrades within his proximity.

Killer bee couldn't even go BM so it's useless. Sasori can't control his poison that's in air the so irrelevant point.

This is not debatable Bijuudama oneshots if your argument consist of Bee not using a Bijuudama then you know you have no real argument.

 

[NarutoX28]

Killer bee couldn't even go BM so it's useless. Sasori can't control his poison that's in air the so irrelevant point.

This is not debatable Bijuudama oneshots if your argument consist of Bee not using a Bijuudama then you know you have no real argument.

My argument stems from Bee's mentality explicitly shown in the manga and his previous conflicts with Minato while you're blatantly contradicting the manga and gave no justification other than, "No, he's gonna Bijuudama just cuz." You cannot have a debate with no substantial evidence at all, so unless you provide evidence that suggests that Bee would fight in such a way, you have no basis here.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Once again Naruto having imperfect side effects does not changed the chakra priorities. The manga explains that what makes V2 armor is the fact that both the user flesh and the beast chakra are infusing to humanoid form. We got more detail from Bee's fight that V2 is basically mini-Buijuu Mode form. I showed 3 scans backing this premise up. KCM Naruto cloak is irrelevant and I dont need it to prove my point. If I were to make a comparison KCM would be similar to using V1 chakra. Either way NOT RELEVANT so dont even follow it up with this.

I completely agree with that claim of blood and chakra fusion but this still doesn't help Sasori get the poison to the actual body. That poison can only paralyze if it pierces it's never going to pierce a v2 cloak especially since we've seen v2 cloaks tank

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. Killer bee has nothing to worry about here. Kisame's in the same boat if he fuses with Samehada as well since he gets it's durability. If the sand can't pierce them the poison can't enter there body.

Bro clearly chakra arm jutsu doesnt carry the same priorities as the body itself otherwise theres no way Orochimaru, Kakashi and Guy would of touch them. This shouldnt even had to be addressed.

Actually it's the quite opposite chakra hands burn skin their bodies don't since Gai or Orochimaru didn't burn.

Lol no its not. I really feel like you dont even know the characters moveset. Have you not heard of Flying Thunder God?

Killer Bee is debatable that he would dodged IS fastest launch speed. Kisame is not. No feats suggest he can avoid the fastest launch speed of IS and using it with FTG V2 makes this game over him. But staying underwater would be prove to be difficult to catch. But ISWO wouldnt benefit for Kisame either. What jutsus are even going to help Kisame's Clone stop IS attacks again?

When i said useless i was talking about Iron sand piercing anyone on team 1. My point still stands here as you can't refute it since Iron sand piercing feats isn't above Kakashi Raikiri or Kusanagi blade. Lol speed won't change the outcome here. Killer bee debatable? Stop Killer bee easily overwhelmed someone as fast as Sasuke in cqc this was prior to him activating his cloaked armor which makes him faster. As for Kisame a 30% clone reacted to 6gate Gai speed. The real Kisame would have no problem reacting to Sasori iron sand. GSB completely shits on Sasori ironsand projectiles.

@Bold Um yes with ease, as he can literally have one float in the air and another launch in a far far position. And the fact that S/T Barrier via Minato, embarrasses the jutsu and redirects it to him.
You are overrating Kisame ability to swim underground, as you have no feats to say he can reach thousands of feet underneath. Either if I accept this claim, once again Buijuudama is not relevant in this match and in facts backfires against Bee.

Except Sasori projectiles doesn't suggest there faster enough to clear this amount of

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. That's Hachibi whirlwind crater now compare that to the size of a

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Sasori iron sand isn't covering that distance in time so stop. Kisame won't have to swim 1000 feet undergroud when Bijuudama explosions don't dig that deep. Backfire the Bijuudama back? What if he decides to fire it at the ground or shoot a Bijuudamam barrage he can't catch all 4 of them. Further more where would he send them? He doesn't have Kunai outside the battlefield so he'd redirect them right back in the same battle field.

Um yes Minato Kunai packs more power then Bee's sword, which was capable of splitting Bee's flesh testicle with a single strike. And I dont know where you got the conclusion that fusion Kisame as the durability as his sword. It doesnt so dont even use this as a point

Hachibi tell has constantly been cut by kunai. Hachibi tail was chopped off by Hachibi's own hand. Cutting Hachibi tail isn't an impressive feat. He's fused with Samehada why would his body be weaker than his blade when there fused? Fused means to combine two or more substances that would make no sense for his skin to be weaker than Samehada.

Which you have yet to explain how. And lol already explained how Sasori poison works. And lol already explain Buijuudama factor, yet alone lol at you aruging where Bee would predict where Minato would teleport.
S comes out faster and it can changed direction so no. S/T and teleportation lol's on these jutsus. So no they get hit no exception.

Ok ill explain in good detail. If he uses Gas like poison Killer bee tails or roar would blow that away. If he uses liquid poison the water washes it away it's not hard to grasp my friend. Doesn't matter when Minato teleport it IS piercing feats are poopy.

Good arguments i must admit but it's over.

 

[TRE MERCER]

My argument stems from Bee's mentality explicitly shown in the manga and his previous conflicts with Minato while you're blatantly contradicting the manga and gave no justification other than, "No, he's gonna Bijuudama just cuz." You cannot have a debate with no substantial evidence at all, so unless you provide evidence that suggests that Bee would fight in such a way, you have no basis here.

You can't counter Bijuudama being shot from the begining all you keep saying is Bee won't do it what if Bee just says f*ck it and go for it regardless of what happens to Kisame?

 

[NarutoX28]

You can't counter Bijuudama being shot from the begining all you keep saying is Bee won't do it what if Bee just says f*ck it and go for it regardless of what happens to Kisame?

He won't simply because it's a blatant contradiction to the manga.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Sasori is an absurdly horrible match-up for Kisame considering Sasori can literally cripple Kisame, even whilst in his WaterDome with poison and Minato was explicitly stated to be above Bee considering both Raikage and Bee as a duo could never best Minato and Minato possesses a feasible defense against Bee's Bijuudamas.

As Icelerate mentioned, Sasori infusing his poison with Minato's weapons makes Minato extremely dangerous when he possesses superlative speed even among top tiers through Hiraishin.

More like the other way around. Sasori's poison does not mix with water [

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]. As you can see, it is clearly very distinguishable within water, so the chances of Kisame willingly taking it in is around zero. Additionally, Sasori getting caught within the WD ends him. The water will seep and soak in his wooden body, which will slow down his movements. Kisamehada is also actively absorbing chakra, so manipulating a puppet with chakra strings isn't happening either.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He won't simply because it's a blatant contradiction to the manga.

This is a vs thread not the manga though.

 

[NarutoX28]

More like the other way around. Sasori's poison does not mix with water [

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]-[

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]. As you can see, it is clearly very distinguishable within water, so the chances of Kisame willingly taking it in is around zero. Additionally, Sasori getting caught within the WD ends him. The water will seep and soak in his wooden body, which will slow down his movements. Kisamehada is also actively absorbing chakra, so manipulating a puppet with chakra strings isn't happening either.

I actually didn't notice that, so I'll concede there. From my understanding, Kisame would have to constantly be extracting oxygen within his Waterdome which will result in him inhaling the poison as well unless he chooses to actively avoid the poison within the Waterdome.

My understanding of the situation was that Sasori would employ an aerial fighting style to avoid the Waterdome altogether using his Iron Sand rather than attempt to battle Kisame in close-combat.

 

[NarutoX28]

This is a vs thread not the manga though.

The entire debate revolves around what's explicitly shown in the manga.

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

It's not that visible considering both Kankuro and Chiyo failed to perceive Sasori's usage of poison in the midst of battle. From my understanding, Kisame would have to constantly be extracting oxygen within his Waterdome which will result in him inhaling the poison as well unless he chooses to actively avoid the poison within the Waterdome.

My understanding of the situation was that Sasori would employ an aerial fighting style to avoid the Waterdome altogether using his Iron Sand rather than attempt to battle Kisame in close-combat.

He said it's visible in water neither Chiyo or Kankuro had water in their fight so what are you talking about?

 

[NarutoX28]

He said it's visible in water neither Chiyo or Kankuro had water in their fight so what are you talking about?

I just edited my post.

 

[TRE MERCER]

The entire debate revolves around what's explicitly shown in the manga.

No your basing these arguments off Mindset.

Bijuudama ends it bro stop arguing.

 

[NarutoX28]

No your basing these arguments off Mindset.

Bijuudama ends it bro stop arguing.

If you'd like to think that you won the debate without even having an argument, then go ahead, but I'll accept that as a concession.

 

[TRE MERCER]

If you'd like to think that you won the debate without even having an argument, then go ahead, but I'll accept that as a concession.

I do have an argument and that argument is Bijuudama one shots.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I actually didn't notice that, so I'll concede there. From my understanding, Kisame would have to constantly be extracting oxygen within his Waterdome which will result in him inhaling the poison as well unless he chooses to actively avoid the poison within the Waterdome.

My understanding of the situation was that Sasori would employ an aerial fighting style to avoid the Waterdome altogether using his Iron Sand rather than attempt to battle Kisame in close-combat.

Swimming around and creating water currents will push the poison away from his immediate area. Or he can simply hold his breath when he see's globs of poison near him. Stating Kisame will knowingly and willingly breath in poison is just silliness.

That's a complete different scenario and discussion. I was simply addressing the misconception and fallacy that Sasori hard counters Kisame inside the WD. That is literally a game over for Sasori.

 

[NarutoX28]

I do have an argument and that argument is Bijuudama one shots.

That's your position, not an argument. An argument consists of multiple supporting details which your position is lacking.

 

[NarutoX28]

Swimming around and creating water currents will push the poison away from his immediate area. Or he can simply hold his breath when he see's globs of poison near him. Stating Kisame will knowingly and willingly breath in poison is just silliness.

That's a complete different scenario and discussion. I was simply addressing the misconception and fallacy that Sasori hard counters Kisame inside the WD. That is literally a game over for Sasori.

That's dependent on whether or not the poison is distributed throughout the entirety of his Waterdome which given how Bee's ink was distributed throughout the entirety of the dome, I see no reason why Sasori's wouldn't be.