Kisame and Bee > Sasori and Minato right?

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Wrong your talking about V1 not V2[ ]. Dont bother mentioning the side effects comparison cause its not relevant and I am fully aware the perfectly jin/ mastery over Buijuu wont feel the same effects.

And I dont even know where to begin with your counter post #29. Too many flaws to address honestly
Killer bee is a perfect Jin why would Hachibi allow this to hurt him? As Zexion already stated the blood is still outside the body so you point of the poison getting in the blood is irrelevant since the poison would infiltrate blood that's not inside the body thus it would remain ineffective.

There were no flaws in my first post. Exploit all of them if you can.
 

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You realize i was talking about Sasori right lol.

This is all nice but If Bee fires a blast Bijuudama Minato and Sasori are vaporized. Didn't it take Sasori poison days to put down Kankuro? Lol that isn't going to help him in the battle. Hachibi alone could solo this. That can't take down v2 Killer bee who has enough speed to blitz Sasori. Gamabunta gets shot out the sky.
what's stopping Minato from redirecting BD with space time barrier?
 
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1. That is imperfect Jin transformation

2. Chakra shroud still surrounds the blood :lol so its a moot point.
1.) I like how you skip over my point I already addressed, as if it would automatically make your relevant. The only thing relevant about being imperfect means the side effects for using V1, V2, and what it does to the user. The chakra itself doesn't change it priorities at all.

2.) Um no Buijuu chakra is mixed with the user in V2 stated in the manga[ ], and if Gyuuki gets hurt so does Bee.
 
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1.) I like how you skip over my point I already addressed, as if it would automatically make your relevant. The only thing relevant about being imperfect means the side effects for using V1, V2, and what it does to the user. The chakra itself doesn't change it priorities at all.

2.) Um no Buijuu chakra is mixed with the user in V2 stated in the manga[ ], and if Gyuuki gets hurt so does Bee.
This still doesn't help your claim. Let's assume even in v2 their chakra contain blood. How would poison entering the blood inside the chakra hurt the user? It would never be in their body thus never effecting them directly. It's not like when they take their cloak of or put in down it get sucked into the users body. All it does is disperse and even if it didn't Bee would never let his cloak down until his opponents are defeated. Once Bee is in v2 He would smash Sasori. His puppet is blown threw and his defense is overwhelmed iron sand would be tanked or dodged. Minato would never be able to land FTG either since v2 cloaks chakra burns human skin.
 
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Loses? More like get's demolished 10/10.

OT: Bee and Kisame win high diff, mainly because of Minato. Actually, they can lose depending on if Bee wants to be an idiot, because Minato is not a joke.
what's stopping Minato from redirecting BD with space time barrier?
S/T Barrier sends attacks out of a different ftg. Minato unlike last time doesn't have ftg all over the bf so if he sucked up a Bijuudama it would appear right back on the battlefield thus still killing him and Sasori. Killer bee could also use a blast Bijuudama or just aim at the ground.
 

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S/T Barrier sends attacks out of a different ftg. Minato unlike last time doesn't have ftg all over the bf so if he sucked up a Bijuudama it would appear right back on the battlefield thus still killing him and Sasori. Killer bee could also use a blast Bijuudama or just aim at the ground.
wait then he had a ftg kunai on some random mountain when teleported the Kyuubi BD? and one in the ocean when teleported the Juubi's BD?
 

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1.) I like how you skip over my point I already addressed, as if it would automatically make your relevant. The only thing relevant about being imperfect means the side effects for using V1, V2, and what it does to the user. The chakra itself doesn't change it priorities at all.

2.) Um no Buijuu chakra is mixed with the user in V2 stated in the manga[ ], and if Gyuuki gets hurt so does Bee.

What are you saying? Is bee ****ed up like Naruto when he comes out of his transformation? The answer to that question stomps your first point, secondly even if there was blood its either mixed in with chakra and not touching organs at all as its on the OUTSIDE of the body or its covered by the shroud once again your arguments make zero sense here.
 

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Killer bee is a perfect Jin why would Hachibi allow this to hurt him? As Zexion already stated the blood is still outside the body so you point of the poison getting in the blood is irrelevant since the poison would infiltrate blood that's not inside the body thus it would remain ineffective.

There were no flaws in my first post. Exploit all of them if you can.
I literally said it doesnt. I addressed Zex. Blood being outside the body doesnt change the fact that the chakra is still mixed with the users body itself thats how V2 works via linked[ ].

This still doesn't help your claim. Let's assume even in v2 their chakra contain blood. How would poison entering the blood inside the chakra hurt the user? It would never be in their body thus never effecting them directly. It not like when they take their cloak of or put in down it get sucked into the users body. All it does is disperse and even if it didn't Bee would never let his cloak down until his opponents are defeated. Once Bee is in v2 He would smash Sasori. His puppet is blown threw and his defense is overwhelmed iron sand would be tanked or dodged. Minato would never be able to land FTG either since v2 cloaks chakra burns human skin.


Another example[ ] even though Naruto had no control it still carries the priorities of V2 form, except for the fact that Naruto couldnt put it in humanoid form. So at the end of the day[ ]

@Bold is baseless Orochimaru, Kakashi, and Guy disagrees.


Sasori poison is hardly a factor for Kisame when he can avoid it
Not when Sasori uses Iron Sand with its fastest launch, yet alone FTG speed combo lol

or completely flush it out with water.
Thats a bad thing for Kisame based on the fact on how powerful and concentrated the poison is. Once Kisame water is contaminated, swimming inside = game over (only under the assumption he is breathing underwater).

If bee decided to just go for the quick kill and nuke the battlefield what could Minato or Sasori possibly hope to do?
There is no quick kills here. Minato has better reaction, Clones ,S/T barrier, and the fact that Sasori can manipulate 3rd Kazekage magnetic field to maneuver where ever place desire out of range for FTG Kunais against Bee.

Kisame could survive this by going underneath the ground with his [ ].
You dont seriously believe that hiding underground covers the mountain busting range of a TBB blast field? I hoping you would re think this scenario.

He could also use this while Hachibi does whirlwind to get rid of Minato kunai places on the battlefield.
Same as above. How you even know Kunais would get destroyed? It sounds like you relocated them for more possible escape death threats.

Minato can't harm Killer bee or Kisame since his offense is consisted of a basic Rasengan which gets absorbed or tanked by any version of chakra armor.
Minato doesnt have rely on chakra base attacks to win this. Sufficent Kunai slashes ends this match dude, no tanking poison yet alone the power behind those Kunai's easily beheads Kisame.

Bee cloak protect him completely from Minato poison kunai while it also gives him the offensive power to plow through Sasori iron sand and also tank his iron sand.
Addressed, if my premise is true via Poison vs V2 cloak.

If Kisame decides to go WD. Killer bee goes full Hachibi so he won't be hindered by this. Full Hachibi has no problem fighting underwater since it's Half Ox and half Octopus. Once water dome comes up it's pretty much over for both of them Minato can't harm fused Samehada and Kisame.
Um yes it does, Hachibi takes up most of the space, and you would allow more travel for Minato since the Water Dome would be linked to Minato's chakra. Which means he has the choice to teleport away himself, his opponent, his teammate or the WD itself. Yet alone hindered both Kisame and Bee getting contaminate by the poison inside the water.

Nor can he harm Full Hachibi. Sasori offense his sucked dry upon contact on Kisame body. His poison takes way to long to put an opponent down for the count so it would be completely useless to Full Hachibi.[/FONT]
Stop, IronS is easy pray for Full BM and FTG makes it even easier to land. What kind of offense are you even talking about blocks and pans? If Sasori uses his offence, with either Minato's Kunai or IS, he simply makes the attack lethal enough to where he gets damage before he absorb the jutsu.

Poison and FTG is too much match up wise.
 

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Bijuudama isn't going to be problematic for Minato who possesses knowledge of the technique, so in all likelihood, he'd attempt to battle Bee by laying marks around the battle-field and use S/T Ninjutsu in response to his Bijuudamas and even redirect them back at the Hachibi.
 

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What are you saying? Is bee ****ed up like Naruto when he comes out of his transformation? The answer to that question stomps your first point
Um no stop. Not being like Narut simply means he doesnt get damaged using Hachibi's chakra and chakra modes. Thats the only thing the context would address.

Is V1 still Beast shaped shroud formed of chakra for the user? Yup. Does Naruto using it hurts him ruins my point I am making? Nope. Still it doesnt changed the fact that V1 is still Beast shaped shroud formed of chakra for the user used to powered and shielding the user.

Same case for V2.

secondly even if there was blood its either mixed in with chakra and not touching organs at all as its on the OUTSIDE of the body or its covered by the shroud once again your arguments make zero sense here.
I literally post a scan explaining V2 is basically a mini Buijuu form. So again[ ] the chakra itself is connected to the Buijuu. And if Gyuuki gets effected so does Bee.
 
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I literally said it doesnt. I addressed Zex. Blood being outside the body doesnt change the fact that the chakra is still mixed with the users body itself thats how V2 works via linked[ ].
Another example[ ] even though Naruto had no control it still carries the priorities of V2 form, except for the fact that Naruto couldnt put it in humanoid form. So at the end of the day[ ]

@Bold is baseless Orochimaru, Kakashi, and Guy disagrees.
No that was only being stated with Naruto since he hadn't mastered it at all if there is no pain with entering v1 or v2 than ending it would completely change the dynamic of how it works thus no blood. V2 cloaks don't contain blood when used by Perfect Jins. If he uses gas like poison like i said then he poisons his own partner. Killer bee on the other hand could use his tails to completely blow the gas like poison out of the air. Naruto was not a Perfect Jin in that instant. If you can prove to KM Naruto cloak having blood infused in it then your right but you can't prove that so drop the argument. Killer bee would never be put down from the poison in time for Sasori to win anyways. We've seen how long it took to take down Kankuro it would fair much worst to Hachibi.






Not when Sasori uses Iron Sand with its fastest launch, yet alone FTG speed combo lol
Thats a bad thing for Kisame based on the fact on how powerful and concentrated the poison is. Once Kisame water is contaminated, swimming inside = game over (only under the assumption he is breathing underwater).
There is no quick kills here. Minato has better reaction, Clones ,S/T barrier, and the fact that Sasori can manipulate 3rd Kazekage magnetic field to maneuver where ever place desire out of range for FTG Kunais against Bee.
Sasori iron sand is useless here. Also if Sasori is just poisoning everything up as you claim how does Minato stay clear? Iron sand launching can be dodged be either Kisame or Killer bee. He doesn't have to make WD to flush out Sasori poison. He has water clones which can perform his jutsu for him. Sasori won't be moving Kunai out of Bee's Bijuudama range fast enough to matter.



You dont seriously believe that hiding underground covers the mountain busting range of a TBB blast field? I hoping you would re think this scenario.
Same as above. How you even know Kunais would get destroyed? It sounds like you relocated them for more possible escape death threats.
Minato doesnt have rely on chakra base attacks to win this. Sufficent Kunai slashes ends this match dude, no tanking poison yet alone the power behind those Kunai's easily beheads Kisame.
Kisame doesn't have to cover mountain range since Bijuudama explosion don't dig 1000's of feet into the ground. Whirl wind wouldn't be the best option to get rid of Kunai ill admit that. Minato can behead Samehada infused Kisame with a Kunai? so that's not happening.


Um yes it does, Hachibi takes up most of the space, and you would allow more travel for Minato since the Water Dome would be linked to Minato's chakra. Which means he has the choice to teleport away himself, his opponent, his teammate or the WD itself. Yet alone hindered both Kisame and Bee getting contaminate by the poison inside the water.
The poison isn't going to contaminate neither of them when Kisame clones will be the ones to flush them out. Let's say there caught the poison wouldn't be able to put neither of them down in time for the duo to win. If Minato tries to teleport away Killer shoots a Bijuudama to expose of him.


Stop, IronS is easy pray for Full BM and FTG makes it even easier to land. What kind of offense are you even talking about blocks and pans? If Sasori uses his offence, with either Minato's Kunai or IS, he simply makes the attack lethal enough to where he gets damage before he absorb the jutsu.

Poison and FTG is too much match up wise.
BM Killer bee would use a blast Bijuudama to blow the iron sand away easily or Kisame could counter attack it with GSB. Killer bee and Kisame are much more deadlier.
 

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Bijuudama isn't going to be problematic for Minato who possesses knowledge of the technique, so in all likelihood, he'd attempt to battle Bee by laying marks around the battle-field and use S/T Ninjutsu in response to his Bijuudamas and even redirect them back at the Hachibi.
What if decides to shoot it at the groud? Minato won't have a ftg outside the battlefield therefore if he sends the Bijuudama back at killer be he'd still be caught in the explosion what don't you people get about this.
 
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