[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

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-voted like 4 times
-created a obvious wagon last minute
- claimed smth like he is easily town[but not in an obvious way like Rej] but trying to use SK's read as reference, if I remember right.
-claimed that Elmage is never town [How can you say this if you are town?] You are either not taking this serious or you are scumming in our faces
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This ?
I am sorry I don't know how do you personally tell mafia apart?
These are the hints that I take from the player's game. It's my way of reading and I don't know what more can I explain about it. It seems pretty straightforward.
all those pointers led me to believe TSQ is a scum.
Mischievous behavior by itself is not a strong indicator but coupled with his other actions creates a certain persona/look in my mind.
I don't think voting many times is bad. Creating a wagon last minute is only bad if you got a red flip from PK who was being saved, imo.
The other two felt NAI to me.

TSQ has fallen from town for me and is now in the slightly scummish pile, but I still think these reasoning are flawed.
 

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Before I read any of Day 3, I wrote all of this soon after seeing the flip! I'm posting this at the bottom of page 61 to avoid spoiling myself on anything that has happened so far in Day 3!

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CONFIRMED TOWN:
Dragomir
Just_Red

I hate plurality-only lynches so much; it's a rule that worsens the game experience for both alignments, but especially for Town!

Just_Red was so incredibly anti-town (Unvoting in such a way that you're the most likely lynch?! Really?! That's pretty much a self-vote!) this game that the wagon could be pure, but I suspect at least one scum between the 4 other players there! I'm Time to look at the Just_Red wagon!

Osie - Town

SoulKiller
Rej
TSQ
Michelle

TSQ had to be convinced and was self-preserving! I don't think that TSQ is ever scum this game!

Soulkiller
Rej
Michelle

It would be really bizarre for all three of these players to be scum! I'm going to blank my reads on them and reread them individually!

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Rej's fluffy start doesn't feel super forced! #19 seems early in a very light scum!ping manner, but is also jokey! #49 could be TMI?! #124, #127, and #140 are a bit LAMIST while trying to push someone else off their reads! Could be innocent depending on Rej's experience level! #202 leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth; I really don't like the "leans" here! I don't think a new player talks like this, either, so that worsens the previous posts! So all-in-all Rej doesn't look good here! Next we have #324! Starting off with a fence-sit on Poison and doubling down on agreeing with my townreads?! Is this a pocketing attempt?! And then an overly-aggressive and low-detail response to SoulKiller for asking for elaborated townreads! (NOTE TO SELF: Cross-check SoulKiller to evaluate this response!) Again, an over-reaction to Just_Red! Super fence-sitty on Poison in #344! Not sure how I feel about the teasing in #345! (NOTE TO SELF: Cross-check Michelle to evaluate this response!) Rej also had his vote on Just_Red throughout DP1 and DP2 without progression or casing! In regards to #415, there's an oddly TMI-esque response to TSQ, followed by suggesting that Just_Red is trying to discredit him?! This seems very manipulative! #462 is an active refusal to give other reads or really participate at all! Openly trying to skate under the radar as a wolf! #846 is Rej's first D2 post! He's memeing and still not really progressing reads at all! Definitely seems to be confident on Michelle! Overconfident?! Yeah, he very much seems to be trying to push Michelle off of himself! #858 - "Something was big times off" Umm, why no detail?! #867 - Read on Red is entirely self-oriented! "Could be town!" Why fence-sit on your super-strong read like this?! Punishing Michelle for playing the game by no longer townreading her! #889 - Helpful for the sake of being helpful! Yuck! #895 actively feels like he's trying to pocket Hammock! #1086 - Why is he asking Just_Red for reads here?! This is the first point where he's tried to evaluate Just_Red at all and he's been constantly expressing a scumread! I touched on this at the time, but most of this post bothers the heck out of me! Addressing Michelle like she's definitely town, following up with a sorta shady lack of strength to a townread on her?! #1088 calls everything in the past few pages non-contributive while also talking about a post as "constructed" specifically! (Possible slip?!) #1091 - Is he TRYING to get himself warned into modkill/replacement?! Skirting this line is usually slightly >rand!scum! #1098 - Neutral hunting is also usually >rand!scum! #1103 - Wow, the first Rej post I actually like! It's pretty NAI, though! #1108, #1109, #1115 - More neutral hunting comments! #1128 - Pre-defending for when Just_Red flips town! #1149 - Odd self-defense with a slight scumclaim?! #1152 - Reasonable, but NAI! #1197 - Setting up a chain lynch into TSQ! #1209 - Rej seems to absolutely know that Just_Red will flip town here!

Hard Scumread on Rej!

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SoulKiller is very laid back! I spent some time specifically looking at interactions with Rej and Just_Red! This feels quite real, and between the fact that he's busy IRL and that #720 was an AWFUL vote, his vote placement makes a lot of sense! The cross-check looks good; Rej is just responding badly to pressure there! Soft Townread, but more than just a townlean, on SoulKiller!

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Michelle Time! Oh jeez, so many posts! And she's high content throughout her entire ISO! That is a good sign for Michelle! She's definitely not sitting back! She's poking people, calling out shenanigans, and paying a lot of attention to the game despite some multi-tabling! She looks to specifically be evaluating Rej, Dono, SK, and others! Definitely not on a team with Rej! I can totally understand the interpretation of Awa, and it very much feels like past experience with how townies evaluate Awa! I think that the more I read of Michelle, the more pure she looks! In my experience, when Michelle is town, she has a je ne sais quoi quality to her approach to the game that feels like an extremely experienced player with the confidence of someone with half as much skill as she demonstrates throughout her games! I'm definitely feeling that this game too! She also wastes very little time over the course of a game, despite being a very high-posting player! It's quite refreshing to see! She maintained her activity with very little change in tone throughout Day 2! Michelle feels like super-obvious, very-skilled town! If she isn't the nightkill, I look forward to seeing her again in Day 3 (and irregardless, in future games)! Unlike PK, who used my response to Michelle to springboard a false-pretense continuation of his bogus push on me, Michelle clearly and concisely explained her reasoning!

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Hard Townread:

Michelle
TSQ

Soft Townread:

SoulKiller

Hard Scumread:

Rej

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This is where everyone else was for me when day ended!

Hard Townread:

Elmage

Soft Townread:

Poison

Townlean:

Tigerrr

Scumlean:

aa-dono
Ansatsuken/Imperfection
Hammock

Soft Scumread:

-PK-

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I'm going to catch up on the stuff from this Day phase now, and probably try to resort many of those reads, but here we go!
 
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Alright, I said last DP that i should be more active the following DP if i survive, so here I am. There is a lot of stuff i need to address but going to address this wagon that build up on me currently. Which, looking at it at first, it just makes me sad, cause there is literally no reason behind it. Just wifom excuses from poison.

If you are voting me because I am alive in DP3 then i am not gonna address or talk to you people. This is not how mafia is played, just because a player survives does not mean they are mafia. I don't care about my own reputation as a player. Some people are bunch of hypocrites here, they didn't push me or lynch me when i was inactive by my standards and said they gonna give me more time to be active. Now, that i have more time, they want me dead because i am alive. Why the **** did you just not vote me in previous DP then? what was the point of keeping me alive if ya gonna just lynch me for the sole reason "He is alive in dp3". You people just using me as an escape goat and use your reason when i flip green by. "Oh, SK was alive in DP3, if SK is alive in later DP then he is scum." is that really your excuse? I am quite honestly annoyed at this by this point because it seems to be a trend lately. Every time i play. I get accused of being scum because i am alive. Does not matter what my alignments are.

I stated in previous DP's that i could not participate for reasons not related to this game and kept it brief. If ya going to use my own personal reasons against me making it seem like you know more than what I do about my own personal life, then you are just reaching so far up your ass to get me lynched.

I am going to start with a kid, who always try and make a case against me but fails horribly. This kid is poison chan, and where should I start, i honestly hate dealing with her because her reasons are nonsense. Let's go through her posts.




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scum!
Wow, i am scum according to this post, good job 10/10


about SK, @SoulKiller you mentioned in the thread that your thesis was supposed to be sent by Monday. you had another day to play but you were just as naive or rather naiver.
Looking at her first reason on why i am scum is wifom. Nothing in game related that makes me suspicious at all, only my activity, which i stated briefly why i was not as active. I don't know why i am talking about personal thing here, but no i submitted my draft on tuesday because i couldn't to do it on monday, was super pissed about it, almost had a mental break down, and sure i stated in the thread that it should be submitted on monday but it did not. Why? because life, that's why. Doing thesis is not a walk in the park, you don't just grab a book, memorize it and call it a day. But I wouldn't expect you to understand, you make it seem like you know more about my life than I do. If anything this is scummy as hell, if you expect to use these reasons then you will get lynched faster than sonic in championship games.

second, you are alive, which is prettymuch AI for this site, call it bs but that's true.
I mean, people seriously using this as an excuse? no it is bs and you should be ashamed for using such excuse, i lived this long before as townie. You just bullshitting out of your ass at this point.

and now coming to ISOing, Red mentioned something -
"is something" really? i addressed a WIFOM she posted, yes it's scummy and you will ALWAYS get negative points from it. You defending scum behavior now? kek your case is really holding up.



to cover up this when i gave my theory about Drago, he swiftly said
You always use words bigger than your own comprehension. "Cover up" what did i cover up exactly? if anything i been as blunt as i can be. We back playing twisting words again to fit whatever bullshit narrative you trying to say?


oh btw that's his view on his scumbuddy that's all he had to say -
No, that post was directed to you, not to anyone else. You made one post that made sense in my world. It has nothing to do with anyone, how do you read exactly? i am quite curious. (actually no, please don't i am already suffering IQ losses from you)


Sk, it wasn't that ansa never posted, he posted, he could be busy but the posts he chose to post was completely unnecessary and useless, and that's clearly not the guy i claim to be my favorite player. your post doesn't make much sense to me.
Who stated that ansa never posted? why are you lying and making shit up? so annoying, dealing with you is so annoying cause you are full of shit. Can't even say one proper thing against me. All lies and nonsense.


also, these two people are locked scum. also it's time we talk to the lynchproof guy or town will have no way to win
"locked scum", yea sure, you said that many times before and people always flip green and you go "oops". If I wanna go by what you stated so far, which is a disaster but if i have to make sense of what i just saw it would be summarized in few points.

> Use wifom as a reason i am scum
> Use the excuse i am alive as a reason i am scum
> Twist words and make up fake narrative
> Lie and go on with the lie to back up her nonexistent case.

Look at all these points, what quality do they represent? going by your clear intelligence, i don't think you would guess. But all these are qualities of scum. If anything you are just hindering town than helping town, and quite possibly might be mafia yourself. But i wish this was it, you said more nonsense.




I don't even need to dig up anything, we have our answers in the second last post of his right here
What you mean you don't need to dig up anything? you been digging up BS from your ass to make this case against me, just look above how i just exposed your ass.

lemme just sum it up
"RED IS SCUM"
"REST ARE TOWNIE IN MY LIST OR I COULDN'T READ THEM YET"
Lmfao, how the **** did you come up with this? when did I ever say red is scum and rest is townie. You stated that i have the philosophy that everyone is scum until proven otherwise. Yet you contradict yourself here by stating according to you that i viewed red as scum and everyone else as townie. WHEN THAT IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE, i don't know how the **** you read but you clearly need to go back and get more lessons. You just twisting things to make it fit your own imaginary narrative in your head. I stated that i view ansa scummy, i didn't like TSQ, Michelle is off and that i am very wary of her, i don't like poison posts. How does these register as me saying they are townie? Explain? why do you lie? can't you see how delusional you are?

is that "SK" ? huh? i mean this is enough to vote him clearly.
What's enough to vote me? your BS reasons that are not true? please give me a break.

but lemme explain a bit more, i didn't like his views on Ansa and PK much, specially Ansa, that's exactly what I expect any scum to do with his scumbuddies. I didn't like his TRing hammock either which makes me kinda believe he is scum too if i take SK as ref point.
You mean "but lemme BS a bit more"

What do you mean you don't like my views on ansa and PK? my views on PK are better than your view on him LMAO. As for ansa, i don't really understand wtf you on about, if ansa was in the game i would voted for him already. But he got subbed out, which made me think that maybe the dude really was super busy in life hence the scum vibes i got from him.

I don't care if you don't like my Hammock TR. Similar to rej couple games ago where i town cleared him for me for a specific post. Same thing with hammock. The fact that you find this bothersome is quite hilarious, as townie you need to have town core and move up from there. You using this against me is hindering town progress and makes sense from scum perspective.

so without further ado
VOTE LYNCH: @SoulKiller
Honestly, your entire case is literally lies building up upon lies. Even tho i was inactive, i contributed more than you ever did in the past 2 DP's, you literally did nothing productive and been on my suspicious list for far too long, i was gonna look at the chaos that happened yesterday but you leave me no choice. You are pretty much stinking scum at this point, if people read this far then congratulations. But if you still think that poison is not full of shit and is using me as an escape goat sacrifice to allow mafia members to live longer then i don't know what to tell you. Put some glasses on and read again.


Just to tell everyone who is not familiar with SK play, he is a guy who follows the rule "Scum until proven so" for him to have only one scum. Must be kidding me me.

Yes I'm asking everyone to see what's going on here and vote SK, we must lynch a scum Today.
LMAO i can't anymore man, you are soo full of lies and shit it's not even funny. I never stated that there is one scum and rest is townie, i addressed this in your posts above so not gonna repeat myself.

When they see what's going on here they will see how scummy as **** you are and how full of shit your case is. The day has come where mafia keep me alive for the sole purpose to lynch me because "i am still alive" kind of ironic if you ask me.


Anyways, you fucked up, you surpassed the lying and bullshit meter with fabulous results, therefor.

VoteLynch: Poison Chan
 

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Vote lynch - SoulKiller

Let's wrap this one up swiftly. XD
>I don't want to vote SK because he is busy and will wait to see more of him next DP.

> let's vote SK now because he is alive.

honestly, i don't know what to tell you man. Ignoring all the shit that happened and throwing a random vote at me is suspicious as hell.

Vote lynch: SoulKiller

No need to add more at what Poison said
Oh, here i thought you actually had a valid reason, but no "no need to add more at what poison said" , i could stop here because what she said is a nice bundle of shit. Did not take you for a person who even falls for lies.

SK who scum reads and mislynches me day 1 with his usual town play style... in the reads quoted by Poison he mentioned as suspicious my confidence in TSQ when he knows where this confidence comes from only if he take in consideration our games on site.
You also have nothing to add, basically voting me because i did not push you DP1? are you serious right now? you know every game is different? i push you when i see suspicious stuff. You clicked the alarm DP2, but red was more suspicious than you do. I feel like my inactivity according to my standards is what stems from this? if that's the case then i don't know what to tell you. You are like poison, not only ya been shady as **** but now you two are hindering town and hard pushing a townie. This is pretty much a free escape goat for mafia. The fact that i got 4 votes on me in the first 3-4 pages of DP3 says it all.

I swear if poison did not tick of all the scum radars, i would of pushed your ass to oblivion. But don't worry, after she get lynched, i promise you. I will come after you Michelle, you basically showed your cards to me this DP by jumping on this horrible wagon.
 
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The fact that the people who have their vote on me, ignored all the events that happened last DP and moving on like nothing ever happened is concerning. What makes it more concerning is that none of them gave me townie vibes to begin with.
 

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Going off by the events that happened yesterday. Red flipped green, honestly that sucks cause she only has herself to blame for that. Pulling her vote last minute like that is scummy as hell, thinking she will gain empathy and that's usually what mafia try and do. She only has herself to blame.

Elmage and TSQ confrontation was... holy hell man, it was something alright but i have to side with elmage. TSQ tried to manipulate words when he started pushing red, and all the reasons elmage has against the guy is valid. While TSQ was all over the place, having mental breakdowns which surprisingly is what made him survive this long and avoid being lynched. Cause it must of come from townie perspective right? whelp, i feel like the steam behind TSQ has fallen and it will take some ignition to get the dude at the top of the wagon again. Also, the fact that elmage died this DP sucks to be honest. Mafia could very well are trying to incriminate TSQ by that kill, make him look more scummy.

Osie felt very genuine her reads and push on red that i find it hard to see her being scum. I don't know the player, if she is capable of doing such thing as scum but her position is better than other players in the game.

aa-done, i honestly don't know I think i need to reread the thread and read only his posts to get a better view of him.


The two people that need to be lynched this DP is either Michelle or Poison, one of them must go. Michelle been sheeping TSQ not once, but twice, and now is sheeping poison. All she does feels like sheeping other people. I don't get the townie vibe from michelle at all.
 

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I really don't like replying to poison chan, not because i dislike the person. But because her reasons really makes my mind hurt. I literally debating if i should let townies lynch me just so i don't have to deal with her nonsense.
This is somewhat of an OOG tangent, but I pretty much just dropped everything to respond to this.

Especially if you are town, please put in effort to play! I know from personal experience that the sorts of arguments that Poison and others are making about you are annoying, but bowing out to prove people wrong isn't worth it. But if you bow out, then you're not doing anything about it. You're not going above her declared expectations and showing yourself to be townie as either alignment. You're choosing not to play the game.

As one of the faces of your community, there's a lot of pressure to be one of the strongest players in the game. But you can do it! You're strong enough to fight through this! Whether or not anyone else says this to you, I believe in you, I like you, and I hope that you continue to shine regardless of how obnoxious the expectations of people can be!

Let's all get back to the game.
 

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This is somewhat of an OOG tangent, but I pretty much just dropped everything to respond to this.

Especially if you are town, please put in effort to play! I know from personal experience that the sorts of arguments that Poison and others are making about you are annoying, but bowing out to prove people wrong isn't worth it. But if you bow out, then you're not doing anything about it. You're not going above her declared expectations and showing yourself to be townie as either alignment. You're choosing not to play the game.

As one of the faces of your community, there's a lot of pressure to be one of the strongest players in the game. But you can do it! You're strong enough to fight through this! Whether or not anyone else says this to you, I believe in you, I like you, and I hope that you continue to shine regardless of how obnoxious the expectations of people can be!

Let's all get back to the game.
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A light descended from above and offering me a chance of redemption, that no matter what people say, i can put the frustration aside and only view the good.
 

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First things first, I'm confused as heck as to why any competent mafia team would kill Elmage! The strife between Elmage and TSQ is not a positive for town, so the mafia should have killed someone more obvious instead! I'mma look back at Elmage and see if there were any problematic reads!

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Onto Page 63!

@Hammock - Question for you! How much experience playing the game of mafia do you have?!

@Rej - Uhh, what?! Are you saying that you were a roleblocked doctor?! Are you saying that you roleblocked someone?!

@Tigerrr in the woods - Calling Red's behaviour brave is encouraging that town players attempt to get their slot killed instead of playing to their win condition! That's not something that we should be endorsing! That said, I'm also wondering how much experience playing the game of mafia you have?!

@Poison chan - I absolutely would not lock SoulKiller as scum! I would consider Ansa as potential scum, though! Please explain your SoulKiller read in more detail for those of us in the back!

@Michelle - You know Poison better than me! I'm really bothered by the tone of #1256, particularly that last section! Without getting much into showing me other game threads, since my eyes will glaze over faster than a dog getting scritched on its belly, chin, and behind the ears all at the same time, is this normal for town!Poison?!

It would take me quite a bit to get there on SoulKiller, but if it's true that SoulKiller was somehow townie enough that any scumteam construction this game that didn't include him would have to kill him, then I suppose I might bite! I'm not really convinced on that though; it feels like Poison is pushing a mislynch, and that's not a good look!

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BLARGH!

Vote Lynch: Rej

PK's vote on SoulKiller looks really bad, like a scum hop onto the wagon! Considering that Poison's push already looks really gross, I'm going to look back now at the possibility of teams including PK+Poison!

I'm glad that TSQ sees what I'm seeing here.

I really hope that someone posting like this does not become our town leader!

@Imperfection - Wow! Out of those five, TSQ is the one who it makes the least sense to have a scumread on! And yeah, that includes me! Did you actually read through everyone, is this just an impulsive jump, or is it something more sinister?!

How come? To lock myself as a town when I'm mafia, I would kill the person I had arguments in the thread just to play the magic card "this is to frame me ofc, that's how it goes"
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I've never used this song in a mafia game before, but it felt so fitting!

Thank you, @Thestatusquo!

I'm really suspicious of Poison chan by this point! This does not look like a townie response! She's down to a scumlean for me and dropping!

@Imperfection - Hasn't done anything?! Except for trolling the hell out of the game and wasting everyone's time for most of Day 1, including with his role?! That behaviour was anti-town! Period.

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@Poison chan - I love setup gaming more than most, but what does this post actually contribute to the game?!

You saw that you were about to be lynched and jumped on voting Just_Red at the last minute. You had some arguments against them, but I didnt see you vote them.until you were in danger of getting lynched yourself so thats what I find odd
And that makes TSQ scummy because of ________?! Please go into more depth on this scumread on townie behaviour!

Okay, this doesn't look like theatre! It's also a good post to see from PK! I'm thinking that if one of PK or Poison is scum, it's almost always Poison!

No one TOWN READS there scumbuddies DUH!
Do I need to get out the bottle of wine again?! I'm not even drinking this month!

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@Hammock - How are you townreading all three of PK, Poison, and SK, but not going crazy about it towards Poison?!

Sneaky Osie avoided attention again. Smh
@-PK- - What are you talking about?! At this point in the thread, I had been asleep since before Day start! I'm not around to be sneakily avoiding attention! Or are you saying that I'm strategically sleeping through the Day start?! Excuse me?!

Rej continues to underwhelm!

@aa-dono - What do you not like about TSQ's post?! What about Hammock's lack of read on you do you townread?! I'm dying for some details!

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Onto Page 67!

@aa-dono - I agree with you on Tigerrr's post, though not on your overall read on TSQ! At least you're making that distinction, though! And then you make this post! And here I was starting to townlean you! Are we firmly in wine territory again?! Why?!

WAAAAHHH!! I WAS TOO LATE!! He went off the deep end!! DIAL IT IN, @SoulKiller! Please! I agree with your read on Poison, but a bunch of these posts are toxic vitriol that doesn't help the thread if you are town!

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Here's my readlist at the end of all this!

Confirmed Town (to me):

Dragomir
Elmage G Ace
Just_Red
Osieorb18

Hard Townread:

TSQ

Soft Townread (A few reservations):

Michelle
SoulKiller
Tigerrr

Townlean (Significant reservations):

aa-dono
Hammock
-PK-

Scumlean (Still a significant chance):

Imperfection

Soft Scumread (Still a small chance):

Poison

Hard Scumread (Not townie at all):

Rej
 
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After osieorb post. I think i had a change of heart right now. If everyone in this game have a doubt of any suspicion on me. Then i challenge you all to bring it the **** on. I will answer all your doubts, i will communicate and talk to you in a non toxic way, i will treat you like my equal, i will answer the questions you seek the most in life. I will be your guide, the light that will lead us all from this horrible darkness. The only thing i request of you is to be able to keep up with me.
 

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WAAAAHHH!! I WAS TOO LATE!! He went off the deep end!! DIAL IT IN, @SoulKiller! Please! I agree with your read on Poison, but a bunch of these posts are toxic vitriol that doesn't help the thread if you are town!
Worry not, while i might of sunk too deep into the darkness. Your post ignited the light in my heart which eradicated all the toxicity within me. I am a new man now.
 
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Town: (from what they have shown so far and their efforts imo shows them that they are town)
Tigerrr in the woods
SK
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PK
Excuse me? Efforts from PK, SK, Tiger? Lmaoooo what did they do exactly PK specially, and SK too? Or did they play the game in your scum chat? I really really really wanna see the quotes where they contributed. I want it more than anything right now.
Mate you just say the right words and I will vote against Poison.

It's literally you or her at this point for me.

Sneaky Osie avoided attention again. Smh
Dude, each time you say these stuff, I face-palm! You need to be 10000 % kore pathetic to make poison face-palm.
 

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Before I read any of Day 3, I wrote all of this soon after seeing the flip! I'm posting this at the bottom of page 61 to avoid spoiling myself on anything that has happened so far in Day 3!

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CONFIRMED TOWN:
Dragomir
Just_Red

I hate plurality-only lynches so much; it's a rule that worsens the game experience for both alignments, but especially for Town!

Just_Red was so incredibly anti-town (Unvoting in such a way that you're the most likely lynch?! Really?! That's pretty much a self-vote!) this game that the wagon could be pure, but I suspect at least one scum between the 4 other players there! I'm Time to look at the Just_Red wagon!

Osie - Town

SoulKiller
Rej
TSQ
Michelle

TSQ had to be convinced and was self-preserving! I don't think that TSQ is ever scum this game!

Soulkiller
Rej
Michelle

It would be really bizarre for all three of these players to be scum! I'm going to blank my reads on them and reread them individually!

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Rej's fluffy start doesn't feel super forced! #19 seems early in a very light scum!ping manner, but is also jokey! #49 could be TMI?! #124, #127, and #140 are a bit LAMIST while trying to push someone else off their reads! Could be innocent depending on Rej's experience level! #202 leaves a bit of a bad taste in my mouth; I really don't like the "leans" here! I don't think a new player talks like this, either, so that worsens the previous posts! So all-in-all Rej doesn't look good here! Next we have #324! Starting off with a fence-sit on Poison and doubling down on agreeing with my townreads?! Is this a pocketing attempt?! And then an overly-aggressive and low-detail response to SoulKiller for asking for elaborated townreads! (NOTE TO SELF: Cross-check SoulKiller to evaluate this response!) Again, an over-reaction to Just_Red! Super fence-sitty on Poison in #344! Not sure how I feel about the teasing in #345! (NOTE TO SELF: Cross-check Michelle to evaluate this response!) Rej also had his vote on Just_Red throughout DP1 and DP2 without progression or casing! In regards to #415, there's an oddly TMI-esque response to TSQ, followed by suggesting that Just_Red is trying to discredit him?! This seems very manipulative! #462 is an active refusal to give other reads or really participate at all! Openly trying to skate under the radar as a wolf! #846 is Rej's first D2 post! He's memeing and still not really progressing reads at all! Definitely seems to be confident on Michelle! Overconfident?! Yeah, he very much seems to be trying to push Michelle off of himself! #858 - "Something was big times off" Umm, why no detail?! #867 - Read on Red is entirely self-oriented! "Could be town!" Why fence-sit on your super-strong read like this?! Punishing Michelle for playing the game by no longer townreading her! #889 - Helpful for the sake of being helpful! Yuck! #895 actively feels like he's trying to pocket Hammock! #1086 - Why is he asking Just_Red for reads here?! This is the first point where he's tried to evaluate Just_Red at all and he's been constantly expressing a scumread! I touched on this at the time, but most of this post bothers the heck out of me! Addressing Michelle like she's definitely town, following up with a sorta shady lack of strength to a townread on her?! #1088 calls everything in the past few pages non-contributive while also talking about a post as "constructed" specifically! (Possible slip?!) #1091 - Is he TRYING to get himself warned into modkill/replacement?! Skirting this line is usually slightly >rand!scum! #1098 - Neutral hunting is also usually >rand!scum! #1103 - Wow, the first Rej post I actually like! It's pretty NAI, though! #1108, #1109, #1115 - More neutral hunting comments! #1128 - Pre-defending for when Just_Red flips town! #1149 - Odd self-defense with a slight scumclaim?! #1152 - Reasonable, but NAI! #1197 - Setting up a chain lynch into TSQ! #1209 - Rej seems to absolutely know that Just_Red will flip town here!

Hard Scumread on Rej!

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SoulKiller is very laid back! I spent some time specifically looking at interactions with Rej and Just_Red! This feels quite real, and between the fact that he's busy IRL and that #720 was an AWFUL vote, his vote placement makes a lot of sense! The cross-check looks good; Rej is just responding badly to pressure there! Soft Townread, but more than just a townlean, on SoulKiller!

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Michelle Time! Oh jeez, so many posts! And she's high content throughout her entire ISO! That is a good sign for Michelle! She's definitely not sitting back! She's poking people, calling out shenanigans, and paying a lot of attention to the game despite some multi-tabling! She looks to specifically be evaluating Rej, Dono, SK, and others! Definitely not on a team with Rej! I can totally understand the interpretation of Awa, and it very much feels like past experience with how townies evaluate Awa! I think that the more I read of Michelle, the more pure she looks! In my experience, when Michelle is town, she has a je ne sais quoi quality to her approach to the game that feels like an extremely experienced player with the confidence of someone with half as much skill as she demonstrates throughout her games! I'm definitely feeling that this game too! She also wastes very little time over the course of a game, despite being a very high-posting player! It's quite refreshing to see! She maintained her activity with very little change in tone throughout Day 2! Michelle feels like super-obvious, very-skilled town! If she isn't the nightkill, I look forward to seeing her again in Day 3 (and irregardless, in future games)! Unlike PK, who used my response to Michelle to springboard a false-pretense continuation of his bogus push on me, Michelle clearly and concisely explained her reasoning!

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Hard Townread:

Michelle
TSQ

Soft Townread:

SoulKiller

Hard Scumread:

Rej

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This is where everyone else was for me when day ended!

Hard Townread:

Elmage

Soft Townread:

Poison

Townlean:

Tigerrr

Scumlean:

aa-dono
Ansatsuken/Imperfection
Hammock

Soft Scumread:

-PK-

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I'm going to catch up on the stuff from this Day phase now, and probably try to resort many of those reads, but here we go!
It is basically point less when you town read the Dead players. LAMIST. besides do explain your reads on SK based on what you say D2.
 

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Excuse me? Efforts from PK, SK, Tiger? Lmaoooo what did they do exactly PK specially, and SK too? Or did they play the game in your scum chat? I really really really wanna see the quotes where they contributed. I want it more than anything right now.
So you are saying PK, Tiger, and me did not contribute at all in the previous DP's? are we even reading the same game? yet i imagine you think of yourself as contributing? you stood by and watched in the sidelines while everything went down in dp2, and if memory serves me right nothing of significance came from you in DP1 either, and now you come here and talk about contribution? lol please.
 

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making it seem like you know more than what I do about my own personal life, then you are just reaching so far up your ass to get me lynched.
I have pointed out exactly what was said by you. It's all written there and I have questioned it cause it didn't go by how it was stated. There is nothing "knowing more than somebody or anybody"
But I wouldn't expect you to understand, you make it seem like you know more about my life than I do. If anything this is scummy as hell, if you expect to use these reasons then you will get lynched faster than sonic in championship games.
Again, it was stated, didn't follow the statement, I point it out. Nothing personal, you using the term "personal" term is rather weird here. I did not go off thread to make that point, but you keep mentioning "Personal" as if I'm telling about your life events here, which I did not ofc.

Sending me to champs? You were the first to vote me, if you regret stuff, can always change it.

About me knowing more about your life? Do I even know you, at all?
 

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So you are saying PK, Tiger, and me did not contribute at all in the previous DP's? are we even reading the same game? yet i imagine you think of yourself as contributing? you stood by and watched in the sidelines while everything went down in dp2, and if memory serves me right nothing of significance came from you in DP1 either, and now you come here and talk about contribution? lol please.
PK, who says "let's RNG decide" "I'm okay with whoever" that's contributing?
Tiger is okay shouldn't have mentioned him, I agree.
You "I have to read further to make a read on them" these were the things.

If Hammock was town reading people based on contribution don't you think apart from you and PK there are certainly a lot other players who contributed MUCH More than you two did?
 

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I have pointed out exactly what was said by you. It's all written there and I have questioned it cause it didn't go by how it was stated. There is nothing "knowing more than somebody or anybody"


Again, it was stated, didn't follow the statement, I point it out. Nothing personal, you using the term "personal" term is rather weird here. I did not go off thread to make that point, but you keep mentioning "Personal" as if I'm telling about your life events here, which I did not ofc.
Yea and that "thing" you pointed out has nothing to do with this game, you spinning it and using it as a reason of why i am scum is a problem, but i love how you ignored most of my post cause ya know you can't say anything. I bet you realized how badly you messed up. But again, you read what you wanna read and believe what ya wanna believe.

Also, keep it related to the game, otherwise don't expect me to address it.
 
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