[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

[osieorb18]

why fam? what if Elmage is a Survivor/Aegis/Lyncher/Mission kind of indie, as I have my doubts of a serial being in this game, and if then as Lyncher/Mission
this could explain why you think they are counteraligned, or we are hitting the indie with Just_Red
nevertheless Elmage is more likely not mafia, he seems like a person who is independantly acting

Oh god, neutral hunting!

WHY, CRUEL WORLD?!

 

[Thestatusquo]

Maybe that suggests that Elmage doesn't really fit on any team and might be town?!

Meh maybe it's just Red

@Just_Red interact with me please, I found your vote on me yucky. Other than your D1 contribution which I town read you for, more likely the tunnel on me that you made early was the sole reason I town read you, but you faded into the background rn while I was tunneling Elmage

 

[Rej]

Ok I can compromise on this

We don't lynch Elmage right now, tomorrow if I'm still alive, I will observe and ignore Elmage to see if he's town outside of my tunnel on him and his other takes on the game.

that is not the point fam and depending on flips this statement/stance will haunt this game
you have the night to revisit your biggest doubt if your town, a towny hardISOs at night and they hardISO people that are top/bottom of their PoE

 

[Thestatusquo]

The 200iq read is that Rej is a neutral that has a wincon of getting another neutral killed

easy reads

 

[Thestatusquo]

that is not the point fam and depending on flips this statement/stance will haunt this game
you have the night to revisit your biggest doubt if your town, a towny hardISOs at night and they hardISO people that are top/bottom of their PoE

Ignore him as in allow him to focus on other stuff while I look at his alignment outside the scope of this tunnel

 

[osieorb18]

Here's my thoughts on Red:

I entered the game and noticed she wasn't as aggressive as she used to be and I mentioned it, I also mentioned later that it's NAI, because she can be aggressive as either alignment, something I've witnessed from first experience, however perhaps it was due to DP1, because subsequently I saw her usual playstyle that I know her for

Also, from my experience with her, she tends to be more aggressive as scum so her easy going nature at the start made me town lean her, and though she has a few reads I don't agree on, her posts has been generally okay

For PK,

He's usually passive, irrespective of alignment, he's the kind of player that ends up being victim of a mislynch, and that's what I meant on my first thoughts on his play, so far I still think he leans natural - town to me

As for Rej,

He's good at switching up playstyles, he can be deep wolfing as scum, actively pushing and giving reads, but he can also be playful and act scummy as town, refer to his last game as town doctor, he was so convincing as scum I wanted to shoot him at night, but he was town doctor, and this game he hasn't been that bad to be honest, Michelle is over analyzing his DP1 posts, even one I saw her analyzing a post that was more or less a joke between Red and Rej, so my thoughts on him is he may be scum, I haven't seen enough of him to vote him because he was largely inactive, and I don't use that against any player, I'd rather he gets subbed out

Hmmmm! I don't agree with these reads, but they are reads!

I feel like there's a lot of meta focus from you here and not much else! That's a bit faulty, but not necessarily wrong!

Do you feel like PK has been passive this game?!

 

[Premfection]

Unvote

Osie is seemingly more town to me as they continue to contribute.

 

[Rej]

Oh god, neutral hunting!

WHY, CRUEL WORLD?!

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I have seen tons of indies recently, and a 3v1v10 would be really hardcore and it would be a quick game and a 4v10 would not be fair, not in thausand years

so I tend to a 3v11 and I tend to think that if there is a towny out of place then this towny could be an indie prosided
it makes me think about the way how to handle a person that you suspect to be outofplace like an indiewolf, I would treat that person as town rather than wolf, this is just my mindset but that way I can focus on mafia during the game and not on the setup in general, as this setup is nearly mountainous with some extra headmechanics

 

[Rej]

The 200iq read is that Rej is a neutral that has a wincon of getting another neutral killed

easy reads

I wish I could play such a role lmao a Lyncher vs Lyncher Mission duel

Ignore him as in allow him to focus on other stuff while I look at his alignment outside the scope of this tunnel

I see, I will let you pass

 

[osieorb18]

The 200iq read is that Rej is a neutral that has a wincon of getting another neutral killed

easy reads

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[osieorb18]

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I have seen tons of indies recently, and a 3v1v10 would be really hardcore and it would be a quick game and a 4v10 would not be fair, not in thausand years

so I tend to a 3v11 and I tend to think that if there is a towny out of place then this towny could be an indie prosided
it makes me think about the way how to handle a person that you suspect to be outofplace like an indiewolf, I would treat that person as town rather than wolf, this is just my mindset but that way I can focus on mafia during the game and not on the setup in general, as this setup is nearly mountainous with some extra headmechanics

It's Day 2! I need neutral hunting right now like I need rotten fish mixed into my toffee puddings! I.e. Please burn it with fire!

 

[osieorb18]

Unvote

Osie is seemingly more town to me as they continue to contribute.

So who do you scumread instead?!

 

[Thestatusquo]

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[Premfection]

So who do you scumread instead?!

Rej is also getting towny vibes from me at this point!

I'm mostly suspicious of Just_Red! Some good points have been bought up about them! and I haven't any idea where they might have went to!

 

[Rej]

It's Day 2! I need neutral hunting right now like I need rotten fish mixed into my toffee puddings! I.e. Please burn it with fire!

lmao cheers, so its 50/50 same as mafia, either the neutral showed up and has attention or the neutral did not show up, for what would you look after? agenda of certain players?
this makes Just_Red quite agendaless with her gameplay = a wolf with no plans and strategy or a bad towny
I consider good townies to play with an agenda but not highlight or show their agenda so they don't become a mafia target

 

[SoulKiller]

Alright, this is my player read list.

Just_Red : I'll start with this since i have my vote on her. Just_Red acted weird beginning of DP1 being "cautious" as she stated and not doing moves until pressured on. Now, I did not have vote on her cause while she did some shady stuff i still felt like green red was playing. However, following this DP her posts were very wifom, but what really got me in guard is the fact that she tried to push hammock. Who in my view is townie no matter what anyone says, i know my reasons might not convince everyone but it's similar to when i town cleared rej for saying a specific word in one of mafia games and it felt like it came from townie. It's easy to make a case on hammock and lynch the guy, if you are mafia you certainty will go for the easiest lynch to go for. What's worse, is that after elmage made a very well constructed post against TSQ, red immediately switched votes to TSQ without waiting for TSQ respond. Jumping into other people wagon like that and sheeping is very alarming and made her position for me atleast even worse. Overall, she did enough for me to warrant a vote on her and i don't think that vote is gonna move this DP.

Ansa/Imperfection : Now, I really did not like ansa at all, did not get any townie vibe from him etc. But it seems like he was subbed out by imperfection. For that i am welling to give the guy a chance since ansa indeed might of been just busy and it is not scum indication.

Michelle : I don't know how to feel about her tbh, I made connections between her and TSQ and it's little bit concerning to say the least. I think i can make better reads on her following DP.

Rej : The fact that rej became an immediate lynch candidate last DP in a mere of 2 pages is enough for me to town lean him for now.

Elmage : Honestly, I like elmage so far, i did not read the last 8-10 pages and not sure how the battle between him and TSQ went. But from what i saw so far it seems like elmage townie is playing. However, elmage is definitely a capable player so just to be safe it would be nice if he can be copped. Because if he is indeed townie i think him being alive is great help for townies.

TSQ : is literally playing like last game, the dude is having mental break downs here and there and flipped to be townie. This might very well be V/V war going on here between elmage and TSQ. I would say to cop TSQ as well if possible just for us to be safe.

Poison : I don't really like poison posts so far, nothing really to add to here. That's as far as my reads go regard her.

Hammock : Townie end of discussion.

PK : I think i gave my opinion regarding pk and did not make new posts in the pages i read, so whatever i stated about him in this DP so far is still the same.

Tigger : I like tigger, i think he is town lean for me but i feel he is being paranoid for some reason. Can't blame the guy he never played with TSQ before and it's first time experiencing the dude.

 

[osieorb18]

lmao cheers, so its 50/50 same as mafia, either the neutral showed up and has attention or the neutral did not show up, for what would you look after? agenda of certain players?
this makes Just_Red quite agendaless with her gameplay = a wolf with no plans and strategy or a bad towny
I consider good townies to play with an agenda but not highlight or show their agenda so they don't become a mafia target

If the wolves are not really teaming well right now, then a meh wolf who is out in the cold might certainly play like Red! I'm not convinced that this is really accurate!

 

[SoulKiller]

Those are the reads i got out of my brain currently, I know i left some players out but i will get to them next DP, since i will need to reread the thread one more time to collect my thoughts about them. With that being said I am afraid i will have to take my leave, good luck everyone.

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

Ok I'm back,

I can see this being misinterpreted heavily, what I meant was that I can see villagers having an issue with this (more so focused on the part of NOT SCUM MINORITY FACTION) but I think he's probably more neutral for it because he lacks hunting and is a lot more focused on how I perceive him, putting a lot more stock into my scum read on him than I actually have myself.

Ok it feels you are trying to slowly build a case against me here...
I cannot trust you or Michelle about this being your usual playstyle.
I don't have that information so I cannot read you based on that.
What I can base my read on is your behavior which felt super aggressive and disturbing to town.

I may be well wrong but I have decided to keep my vote for now.

he is too stubborn to be scum i think.
i forgot a little his scum game but i don't remember him to be so strong.

Btw.. i forgot about Elmage scum play in short time. how come Tigerr remembers PKs play after one year and half?

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@Tigerrr in the woods how was my play back then?

I do remember Pk's play style and I did mention it here yday. I remember it because he was super secretive, didn't post much and it grabbed my attention like a magnet. I was really thinking he was a scum xD but i think it ended otherwise?
I don't remember your playstyle really? O_O sorry

Cap

I'm sorry osie I'm tunneled, you need to trust me if you're town here

I'm not lynching red

Here it feels like,,, if @osieorb18 doesn't trust you then they are not town, Like what?!

OBSERVE the following exchange:

Spoiler

he is too stubborn to be scum i think.
i forgot a little his scum game but i don't remember him to be so strong.

Btw.. i forgot about Elmage scum play in short time. how come Tigerr remembers PKs play after one year and half?

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@Tigerrr in the woods how was my play back then?

I hate bolded

why? I want to understand how works such good memory.

Michele's post did not even have smth bolded inside yet TSQ bolded it himself or what?? It makes no sense

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Hmmmm! I don't agree with these reads, but they are reads!

I feel like there's a lot of meta focus from you here and not much else! That's a bit faulty, but not necessarily wrong!

Do you feel like PK has been passive this game?!

Sigh. I'm an empathy more or less, what fascinates me about this game is I get to read people, it's something I'm naturally good at, this game wouldn't even be a contest if I can see the players, and their body language, so I base my play off of analysis and what I know of the personality of that individual, it's difficult to take irrespective of either alignment, for example, just as Michelle can possibly be a caring and mind person, honest even, that's why she don't like being mafia, even if she may not admit it, I also know she's very observant and she'll pick up on things most other players don't, same as Alice, I know Ansa is a direct person, SK likes to put on a show, TSQ can be tempramental... I could go on and on, however I use that information, alongside my analysis of the players posts to determine alignment, I also don't give thoughts on a single post and crucify someone on just a single post, it's difficult to keep a constant emotional transition when one is being deceptive, so while I rely on analytical play, the backbone of my play is what I've just explained, as such I can sometimes tell if the player is comfortable in their role or not, I can't always post my thoughts because they're like looking for a book in a library where all the books a floating and there's no indexing, I also prefer to focus on one player at a time, clear the player as town then move on, so it's not necessarily meta, but more like intuition on how the players are as persons (INFJ me -__-)

Sorry, I'm quiet but I end up talking a lot when asked

He was definitely passive in DP1, but he has improved this DP, he hasn't been the most active player, yes, but he has made contributions to the town alignment, and that's enough for this DP, I can check him during NP and my opinion would change next DP.

Some may not like my methods, I'm not a typical mafia player, I don't even consider myself a mafia player tbh, but it works as long as I have time, I'll eventually find scum if I'm town, however, it's quite slow, hence why I only focus on a few people at a time

Your answer is in there somewhere, I hope you g