[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

[aa-dono]

My vote on Elmage was pure sheeping TSQ because I wanted to put on Elmage more pressure and because i honestly think TSQ is villager. If he can post like this as wolf then good for him

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but until now i didn't feel this.
Also I waited to see how the wagons are changing during the day.

Tbh I am not willing yet to vote Osieorb while I have a scum read for Rej not resolved. I mean I started to be suspicious on Osieorb but my main scum read is Rej and I want to vote him.

I think the TSQ vs Elmage don't need to be resolved today, they may be both town fmpov

Vote lynch: Rej

Do you think it's wise to pursue a lynch on Rej this late? There's only 4 hour left.

Btw if you don't mind, could you repeat why he's scum to you?

 

[Hammock]

Here is what Hammock sees as me making a team with TSQ.
It's not bad to make a team with your town read from my pov, and if you scum read us where is your vote Hammock?

I doubt the 2 top wagons are lynching a wolf. I have to see what is happening with Elmage who Aa just tied with the other 2. Now going to reread for sure.

I said i wasnt sure about? and it might be a concidence too? and i wouldn't lynch someone just because i have a feeling that they are scummy?

^ that's why I was sussing Michelle but maybe we both think too much? or not who knows

that's your paranoia maybe and it's totally fine, sometimes it's fully justified, I see where you come from

Eh,true hence why i didnt take any actions based on it

 

[Elmage G Ace]

If I can't expect you to explain what you like in the post, how do you expect me to read more into you? If you actually like it, you'd know why you like it and it's not hard to just state so. I don't see why you kept saying you're tired of repeating yourself when the other one person who asked this was Poison and you didn't respond.

That's a perfectly valid reason for me. I'm not going out of my way to defend those two, but I also wouldn't like to see them lynched before someone I find scummy, though since you read my previous post, you're only slightly scummy.

To answer the post after this regarding TSQ, I find your arguments fair. I'm not avoiding it, but who do you mean by too? Michelle and TSQ himself?
Anyway, it's just that I concluded TSQ is more believable than you.

@bolded: you can read more into me by reading my posts, by ISOing me, by trying to figure out the motive behind my moves, can you honestly say you've picked up everything I've written here? I doubt it, I have explained what I meant when I say I like some of Rejs post when I was replying to Michelle. funny enough, you've done the same thing in some of your posts, simply saying you liked a post, I don't see anyone pushing you for it, duh. The post you're referring to, I believe it was my last (or maybe second last not sure) post before I had to go to work (yes, I work morning and nights) so I wouldn't have seen poison's question, I don't know why you're making a big deal out of it, perhaps if Poison had asked the question again I'd have seen it.

I've spent majority of this DP responding to questions I've already answered, and I have stated why I liked those posts, if you're not okay with the reason, that's fine, that doesn't make me scum however. You earlier town read Tiger while implying you don't agree with some of his reads, I don't see you doubting him

@Italic: So you don't find them scummy? At all? TSQ has been mostly town? If you apply the same scrutiny to him that you do me, you'd find out that it's not the case, first of all, he seems to think Red and PK was my TOP SCUM, and you liked the post, meanwhile I never mentioned that. I think you're just nitpicking, and I'd understand if it is DP1 but there's enough information to show you I'm not scum

Yes, Michelle and TSQ never responded to it at that time of writing, Michelle voted me based on TSQs analysis, as she chose to trust him.
To be honest I can't fathom how Michelle doesn't want to consider the possibility that TSQ could be scum, maybe she knows something I don't know

 

[Premfection]

Gonna just leave a comment here to fulfill the 5 post requirement cuz I might sleep in a few hours and don't know if ill make it to EoD ;-;
Unfortunately I don't have much to add, so I'll just reiterate my thoughts.

Osie looks suspect to me, yes it is just a hunch and mostly based on my feelings. I usually don't vote immediately because much like Hammock I dont like going just based off 'just a feeling'
However, I felt it was necessary to vote them in an attempt to get them to discuss more, and well, that doesnt seem to be the case. That makes me suspect them even more now, so im keeping my vote unless convinced otherwise.

Also... I see that there are a few people here who seem way busy lol.... rip ;-;

 

[Michelle]

maybe she knows something I don't know

is a read. i only have certainty for my alignament and role

 

[Michelle]

Do you think it's wise to pursue a lynch on Rej this late? There's only 4 hour left.

Btw if you don't mind, could you repeat why he's scum to you?

please Iso him and share your own oppinion. Who reads my posts will say I am obsessed with Rej if I still talk much about him.
Open the pages with my posts and ctrl+f Rej you will find a lot of things about why is he scum.

But a tl:dr is: strong fluffy Lamist entrance, low implication in solving, no progression, plus is absent since i said i am suspecting him earlier in the day.
Thinking back he didn't show any surprise to be almost lynched at Eod.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

is a read. i only have certainty for my alignament and role

Well it doesn't seem like it from what I'm seeing

First in DP 1 I voted him to pressure him, and maybe clear him, because prior to my vote I had town read him, but Opposed me strongly, I didn't even say people should vote him, just pressure

Next TSQ started a wagon on Rej, despite the fact that he wasn't even active to defend himself, and also TSQ had been pushing difference people, from Red, to Poison, to Tiger, but he voted Rej and you followed him

This DP he gave a weak analysis, I can't even call it an analysis because it's based on wrong information, I mean the thread is here to prove me right, yet you voted me after him, *trusting* his analysis without forming your own opinion on me (or at least that's how it seemed to me) you didn't try to scrutinize it, and even after I responded to you that the reason is wrong, you didn't respond, I assume perhaps you were busy or reading, the I posted the Wallie, exposing his 'closed mind' approach to the game, and his often misinterpretation, that is usually associated with scum, but even after reading my wall, you didn't give your thoughts on it, you just came to the conclusion that we may both be town

 

[Michelle]

Gonna just leave a comment here to fulfill the 5 post requirement cuz I might sleep in a few hours and don't know if ill make it to EoD ;-;
Unfortunately I don't have much to add, so I'll just reiterate my thoughts.

Osie looks suspect to me, yes it is just a hunch and mostly based on my feelings. I usually don't vote immediately because much like Hammock I dont like going just based off 'just a feeling'
However, I felt it was necessary to vote them in an attempt to get them to discuss more, and well, that doesnt seem to be the case. That makes me suspect them even more now, so im keeping my vote unless convinced otherwise.

Also... I see that there are a few people here who seem way busy lol.... rip ;-;

Everyone is busy or is faking busy-ness...

Do you have another scum read except Osieorb? What about town reads?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Like he implied that Red and PK was my TOP SCUM
I underlined it and bolded it like he did, it sounded convincing, except they were not even in my sus list

 

[Michelle]

Next TSQ started a wagon on Rej, despite the fact that he wasn't even active to defend himself,

wait. so if Rej is scum you want to lynch him looking in his eyes?
Why cannot scum be lynched in absence?
What read do you have for Rej?

Going to read your post further, i wanted to share this idea.

 

[Thestatusquo]

I am back, catching up from page 30, compile all additional questions you have for me so I'll answer them by the time I'm caught up

Don't ask questions that you've already asked so we don't clutter the thread with useless stuff as every concern addressed towards me will be addressed

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

I missed the part where he threw dirt on so many people.

Could you explain why the bolded is scummy? Also how is mischievous behaviour scummy too?

"
-voted like 4 times
-created a obvious wagon last minute
- claimed smth like he is easily town[but not in an obvious way like Rej] but trying to use SK's read as reference, if I remember right.
-claimed that Elmage is never town [How can you say this if you are town?] You are either not taking this serious or you are scumming in our faces "
This ?
I am sorry I don't know how do you personally tell mafia apart?
These are the hints that I take from the player's game. It's my way of reading and I don't know what more can I explain about it. It seems pretty straightforward.
all those pointers led me to believe TSQ is a scum.
Mischievous behavior by itself is not a strong indicator but coupled with his other actions creates a certain persona/look in my mind.

My Mafia suspects Bundle rn:
TSQ- almost certain ( "90%percent" -yes I am quoting him right here)
aa-dono
Osie
Michelle


My neutral bundle:
Poison Chan
Just_Red
Imperfection
Rej
SK

My townie reads Bundle rn:
Hammock
Elmage
PK

Elaborated reads:
Readings updated:
-Thestatusquo- still consider you Mafia, 4 hours left you still haven't showed up to defend urself once, even though I feel I shouted out all day how you are a scum. The excuse of being busy with real life has expired by now in my opinion.

-Michelle- it's almost exaggerated how u still don't show any doubt on TSQ,
I see following options:
1. You have a big blind spot for him and you want to keep your read and not let yourself be rattled.
2.You are scum and you tried to make TSQ look town while you play the naive townie mask.

-Ansatsuken> imperfection- subbing makes it difficult to read

-Hammock- rn i would say town

-aa-dono- i'm really confused about you right now.

-PK- I would lean town - If he was mafia, I don't see why they would waste a good day's lynch on him, unless they're really bored and wanna spice things up since it was 50 50 he would be lynched right.

-Elmage G Ace - i see his behavior as town

-osieorb18- did they just dissapear during this DP2 or what?

-Just_Red- I'm also confused about you rn.

-Rej-same read- i would lean townie bc of TSQ wanting to lynch him in the last minute, but he does seem a bit not involved so let's see

-Poison chan- she felt a bit mellow during this DP2-

@SoulKiller- clean reads I think but also mellow, you asked us to ping you if we want more reads so ping ping


I understand if some of the players are busy with reallife, but don't hold it against me if I take that into account also.
Being busy irl can also be used as an excuse my scum and we all know that.

 

[Poison]

I didn't get much time to make proper posts this phase, but i'm gonna go with

Vote Lynch : Imperfection.

reason? Ansa is 95% scum. take my word for it. and since imp subbed in for him. i'll still go for it.

now this post would put me in a very bad position but. I'll boldly go with it. I'll back during eod. but my classes are still going on so.

 

[Michelle]

Well it doesn't seem like it from what I'm seeing

First in DP 1 I voted him to pressure him, and maybe clear him, because prior to my vote I had town read him, but Opposed me strongly, I didn't even say people should vote him, just pressure

Next TSQ started a wagon on Rej, despite the fact that he wasn't even active to defend himself, and also TSQ had been pushing difference people, from Red, to Poison, to Tiger, but he voted Rej and you followed him

This DP he gave a weak analysis, I can't even call it an analysis because it's based on wrong information, I mean the thread is here to prove me right, yet you voted me after him, *trusting* his analysis without forming your own opinion on me (or at least that's how it seemed to me) you didn't try to scrutinize it, and even after I responded to you that the reason is wrong, you didn't respond, I assume perhaps you were busy or reading, the I posted the Wallie, exposing his 'closed mind' approach to the game, and his often misinterpretation, that is usually associated with scum, but even after reading my wall, you didn't give your thoughts on it, you just came to the conclusion that we may both be town

yes. This is my conclusion. I don't want to spend energy in a fight where i town read both players.
You can do whatever you want with this.

 

[Premfection]

Everyone is busy or is faking busy-ness...

Do you have another scum read except Osieorb? What about town reads?

I also scum lean Rej, but not sure. He was more active than Osie lately, and those were my only two reads.

But ofc I am having a bit of suspicion on all the in-actives, but they cant all be scum so idk lol

Everyone else I'm just looking for more information to hop on.

Gonna go try to focus on an assignment instead of procrastinating lel, but ill definitely check back at least once more before I sleep.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

wait. so if Rej is scum you want to lynch him looking in his eyes?
Why cannot scum be lynched in absence?
What read do you have for Rej?

Going to read your post further, i wanted to share this idea.

First of all we don't know if Rej is scum, he played this way literally last game and he was town doctor, that doesn't mean he's town though, and he's in my sus list, but at the time TSQ voted him, he wasn't active meaning he wouldn't have a chance to present his case. Why didn't TSQ vote him earlier? So he can interact with Rej?

I never said scum can't be lynched in absence but be sure to a certain degree, Rej has been largely inactive yes, but inactivity isn't necessarily a metric for wolf

SK is inactive, Imperfect comes and goes, and I was largely inactive DP1, dragomir was inactive and he was town

If Rej is town, he's an easy lynch, you shouldn't go for easy lynches at EOD, when the player is offline.

I mean, I can start a wagon on Rej right now and he'll be lynched, it's too easy to do, and if he's the last scum remaining, it wouldn't even be an issue, that's why I'm not sure why we're over scrutinizing his posts, they aren't even much, and his DP 1 is mostly fluff, which is same for almost everyone in DP1

 

[Michelle]

-Michelle- it's almost exaggerated how u still don't show any doubt on TSQ,
I see following options:
1. You have a big blind spot for him and you want to keep your read and not let yourself be rattled.
2.You are scum and you tried to make TSQ look town while you play the naive townie mask

I didn't even want to answer to Tigerr, i don't know where he took i would defend or sheep TSQ in any way if we were scum buddies but he looks convinced.
This is so wrong that i have no reason to defend from such things. I see obvious wrong reasoning and i think is genuine from Tigerr which is sad.

 

[Thestatusquo]

You SCUM, you would blow my brains if you could... enticing people on me at every turn you get.
You poked the wrong bee mate.


Vote Lynch: @Thestatusquo

I will explain my vote but before, good read on TSQ, @Elmage G Ace!


So I voted for Red yesterday but then I realized, even if REd would be scum, the people who are more dangerous are the ones who I can't tell apart. And that is you TSQ

You TSQ are very good scum but still scum.
You voted like how many times yesterday?
You changed your vote and said he is cum, no the other one is scum, oh and your legagy to give us hints was Ansa?
Really? After you said that youa re 90% sure I am scum then you say maybe Ansa.
You seem like an experienced player yet you go to left and right, vote here and there, scumed this and that, said you're sure about me while the previous post was like vote me cause it's better than anyone.
Like really?

Now you are trying to make people bite @Elmage G Ace just because he voted you. Saying he had a bad entrance and what not, when he had a decent discussion with you before deciding to vote you.


Yesterday where you not the person who tried to get everyone to vote REj? in the last moments of the day! even though I was your 90% read!
Really?!
Your words don't match up mate. You are BLUFFING big time

Ok, reading this case it's obviously not alignment indicative at all towards me, but what I can draw from this is that Tiger is at the very least probably indie?

All of the things you have said in here are not alignment indicative for me at all, not sure if they are for anyone really, but you're reading me scum for what appears to be my abrasiveness and aggressive behaviour.

Basically, I'll outline for you why I'm playing the way I am :

1) This behaviour is the most transparent for me, there are no filtered thoughts and I just say whatever comes up on my mind
2) Nothing about pushing multiple people has anything to do with anyone's alignments. I do this in every single one of my games. This is actually more town indicative for me than you make it look like so I'd be surprised if anyone actually followed this case in order to place down a vote on me. You've basically summed up why I'm town fairly nicely, kudos to you
3) I have specifically said I wanted to vote you but nobody would pile on. At that point, Rej was acting fairly strange w/r/t his play style. People wanted to vote Rej and so I went with the only wagon I had some form of suspicion on in order to save my top town and Rej was kind of the consensus lynch that I could pull off at EoD in order to save -PK-. I have later answered that it was more of a play style issue that left me confused rather than anything scum indicative, which is why I shifted on my read the next day.
4) Elmage didn't vote me at the beginning of this day phase, he voted me yesterday and it was a weak vote. I prodded him for it and I find him scummy. Either way, OMGUS is not explicitly scum motivated.

With that being said, I probably have my confidence shaken on your read just because I feel like a scum would make better points overall, whereas this just feels like you're confused about my actions in a way that is reminiscent of my very first games where I'd jump at anyone scum reading me.

What about Elmage's comments did you find "good" or town motivated / hard to fake? Why am I scum for voting Elmage when he voted me yesterday, when the situation today is completely reversed? (he forgot about me, I scum read him, then HE OMGUSED me)? Why is it a one way road for you?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

yes. This is my conclusion. I don't want to spend energy in a fight where i town read both players.
You can do whatever you want with this.

My problem with this is you arrived at the conclusion without considering both sides, it was super easy, barely an inconvenience to vote me for wrong reasons, but you're more or less disregarding me arguments, I'm saying applying the same standard to us both, keep your off game relationship/friendship with him aside.

Sorry if I'm a little blunt, but even if he turns out town, I'd still be a little disappointed with how you handled our situation. Quick to vote me (for wrong reasons I say again) but you disregard my arguments

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

Sorry I put you in my mafia Bundle @Michelle > . < It's like 50-50 really, you could be very well townie. but I put you there because I can't tell you apart yet -w-.

I didn't even want to answer to Tigerr, i don't know where he took i would defend or sheep TSQ in any way if we were scum buddies but he looks convinced.
This is so wrong that i have no reason to defend from such things. I see obvious wrong reasoning and i think is genuine from Tigerr which is sad.

- w- well I guess maybe if you were mafia you would have a better play game, true, I should give you the credit -.- don't be sad pls.