[VS] Kimmimaro VS Neji

Unorthodox · Oct 5, 2016

Change my mind Kimi wins

KidGamer65 · Oct 5, 2016

Zexion~ said:
lol @ the absolute assumptions made in this thread regarding Kisame and Air-Palm :lol how long is this attack going to be wanked.

Right. It's pretty pathetic that people are going out of their way to make up idiotic reasons for why Kisame took no damage. "oh but kishi had no time to illustrate it" :| "kishi chose not to illustrate it because reasons" :|

lmao what type of shit is that?

neosmith500 · Oct 5, 2016

KidGamer65 said:
It's a palm sized thrust. It moves in a straight line. :lol But I'm not arguing this anymore since a direct hit won't do a thing to him.

:lol You can't be serious. In real life and in fiction damage is done by hitting the vital points in the body without the need for some magical ability to deal internal damage, so that is what Air Palm would do. Neji's air palm simply isn't strong enough to deal any notable damage to Kimimaro considering he can't even injure a clone of Kisame.

What hurts more? A punch to a vital or non vital spot of the body? This is honestly a no-brainer. Don't act like there is some discrepancy in the DB. In reality you just aren't satisfied with the given explanation of the jutsu so you are trying to push something not supported by the MAnga.

Why would it being blunt force mean anything here? Both techs work the same aside from that part yet 80 Gods doesn't destroy chakra. It doesn't need to be a pinpoint attack to destroy chakra like Jyuuken would.

Air Palm was never even stated to be a surgical type attack. It's blunt force. It's compressed air. The only difference between it and 80 Gods is that 80 Gods is far stronger and it's a fist while Vacuum Palm is a palm.

Are you joking? He was hit and then you see the vibrations around his body drawn on the panel, you see his eyes widen and then he falls over. That was when and seconds after he got hit. Kisame showed no such thing when and after he got hit, and the rest is you repeating the same nonsense argument I keep telling you not to use. That panel was used to illustrate him seeing Tenten's attack because there is no need to illustrate damage that didn't happen. If he was damaged you would've seen it in that panel, or the panel after that, or the panels after that. Yet you see nothing.

That is a physical sign of damage. That and his expression so I have no idea what point you think you have here. A new attack coming doesn't mean that Kisame won't show signs of damage. What type of sense does that make? None.

You keep saying this yet you can't actually support the assertion that he healed himself.

No, it doesn't imply that. Not at all.

Addressed. Nothing sounds funny here. Vital spots are targeted all the time without people needing to deal internal damage.

The Gentle Fist fighting style works by targeting the opponent's vitals. That's what Air Palm does, but with compressed air. That is what the DB is stating. That's what the Manga shows. There is no hole in the reasoning here you are just trying to create one to make it seem like there is a possibility that air palm can do internal damage even though the Manga has clearly shown otherwise. Not even sure how this argument got this far in the first place because any reasonable person would've seen the scan of Kisame being undamaged and would've agreed that internal damage isn't a factor when it comes to air palm.

KG i told u multiple times that i'd drop the argument since i myself accounted for flaws in theory in manga , i was only continuing the debate as a simple discussion to understand if Air palm incorporates Jyuken inside the compressed Vacuum shell when its shot since the DB hints that notion which came after manga but yea it doesn't make sense to push somthing that doesn't have manga evidence.

Private Investigator · Oct 5, 2016

neosmith500 said:
KG i told u multiple times that i'd drop the argument since i myself accounted for flaws in theory in manga , i was only continuing the debate as a simple discussion to understand if Air palm incorporates Jyuken inside the compressed Vacuum shell when its shot since the DB hints that notion which came after manga but yea it doesn't make sense to push somthing that doesn't have manga evidence.

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Not that it matters. Because Kimimaro's KKG is similar in the aspect of Kidomaru's blocking chakra insertion. When you take away a Hyuga's signature style, you end up with a useless taijutsu user.

KidGamer65 · Oct 5, 2016

neosmith500 said:
KG i told u multiple times that i'd drop the argument since i myself accounted for flaws in theory in manga , i was only continuing the debate as a simple discussion to understand if Air palm incorporates Jyuken inside the compressed Vacuum shell when its shot since the DB hints that notion which came after manga but yea it doesn't make sense to push somthing that doesn't have manga evidence.

If you didn't want me to reply then you shouldn't have replied, especially when you are still saying this that need to be addressed. :lol

neosmith500 · Oct 5, 2016

KidGamer65 said:
If you didn't want me to reply then you shouldn't have replied, especially when you are still saying this that need to be addressed. :lol

Not that i didn't want u to reply , but only in the context of discussing the DB's wording when it mentioned Gentle fist , but yea it doesn't matter anyway and u kno i cant leave things un-replied to LOL.

Private Investigator said:
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And how did u come to this conclusion that it can stop Jyuken? we cant share feats unless Gaara's sand armor + any other type would also share the same effects , dont see why under the skin bones would block Chakra from passing through..

Private Investigator · Oct 5, 2016

neosmith500 said:
Not that i didn't want u to reply , but only in the context of discussing the DB's wording when it mentioned Gentle fist , but yea it doesn't matter anyway and u kno i cant leave things un-replied to LOL.

And how did u come to this conclusion that it can stop Jyuken? we cant share feats unless Gaara's sand armor + any other type would also share the same effects , dont see why under the skin bones would block Chakra from passing through..

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Gaara's Sand has small crevices - Chakra can enter those microscopic holes, and enter the chakra system. Kimimaro's KKG does not possess any openings, disallowing chakra to pass through.

The reason Gentle Fist chakra is capable of entering a human is because of the pours within our skin. With them being plugged internally by Kimimaro's bone the inserted chakra will simply hit a dead end, doing nothing.

neosmith500 · Oct 5, 2016

Private Investigator said:
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This is true , but wat ur saying would only apply to Tenketsu attacks where tiny amounts of Chakra is expelled from the finger tips to block them which is why Neji noted only that attacking the Tenketsu would be useless and not Jyuken as a whole.

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What ur saying would mean that Chkra cannot be channeled through the bones no matter how much Neji outputs which i dont agree with tho i do see ur point , anyway i saw the viz of wat Kido said and it was noted that his Armor Blocks chakra itself but i'll get it back just to be sure.

Private Investigator · Oct 5, 2016

neosmith500 said:
This is true , but wat ur saying would only apply to Tenketsu attacks where tiny amounts of Chakra is expelled from the finger tips to block them which is why Neji noted only that attacking the Tenketsu would be useless and not Jyuken as a whole.

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What ur saying would mean that Chkra cannot be channeled through the bones no matter how much Neji outputs which i dont agree with tho i do see ur point , anyway i saw the viz of wat Kido said and it was noted that his Armor Blocks chakra itself but i'll get it back just to be sure.

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The Hyuga's fighting style revolves around solely inserting chakra into their opponents chakra network to disable (or enable) the targeted areas. There is no middle ground. If they cannot insert chakra, than their entire Taijutsu approach is discombobulated, rendering them useless; aside from techniques such as air palm, and rotation, which do not rely on the manipulation of an opponent's chakra network.

Yes, Kidomaru's technique blocks chakra I've linked a photo from Databook II on page three. The reason for this is because once the bodily fluid enters contact with the air, it becomes solid; airtight. With no pours/crevices to insert the Hyuga's chakra into the chakra simply becomes fruitless.

You do not have to agree with what I'm saying, it is fact. If chakra cannot be entered into Kidomaru's golden armor, it cannot find an entrance into Kimimaro's bone armor. If there is no space for the Hyuga's chakra to infiltrate, than there is no Gentle Fist.

neosmith500 · Oct 5, 2016

Private Investigator said:
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Tiny amounts of chakra in the finger tips to attack tenketsu does not = a full blown expulsion of Chakra from the palm which is why Neji said that attacking them specifically would be useless , if wat ur saying was to be taken without a grain of salt then Neji would've said Jyuken is useless in canon but as i said before i do see ur point but until i get the viz we'll just agree to disagree on this note.

Private Investigator · Oct 5, 2016

neosmith500 said:
Tiny amounts of chakra in the finger tips to attack tenketsu does not = a full blown expulsion of Chakra from the palm which is why Neji said that attacking them specifically would be useless , if wat ur saying was to be taken without a grain of salt then Neji would've said Jyuken is useless in canon but as i said before i do see ur point but until i get the viz we'll just agree to disagree on this note.

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There is no need for Viz, especially when in both the manga, and databook it states the same.

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Rather its a small portion of chakra from the fingertips, or a large amount from the palm the result would be the same; if there isn't an opening for chakra to enter, then Gentle Fist is futile.

TRE MERCER · Oct 5, 2016

Neji fans got owned it was like 5 against 1 lmaooooooo.

neosmith500 · Oct 5, 2016

Private Investigator said:
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The DB says ntn about its properties to specifically Block Chakra which is wat the Viz noted , anyway it makes no sense to keep harping on about this without that specific detail so i'll just agree with the notion until i get the Viz as i said.

Private Investigator · Oct 5, 2016

neosmith500 said:
The DB says ntn about its properties to specifically Block Chakra which is wat the Viz noted , anyway it makes no sense to keep harping on about this without that specific detail so i'll just agree with the notion until i get the Viz as i said.

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The Viz, and the non-viz both noted that Kidomaru's golden armor was designated to block the Hyuga's chakra. This is fact. The databook further reinstates the reasoning as to why the armor is capable of blocking chakra is due to the solid structuring; the lack of pours/crevices/holes for chakra to infiltrate.

No hole = no way for chakra to enter. Hyuga chakra cannot enter = no disruption of their enemies chakra network.

Simbv · Oct 5, 2016

In order for Jyuken to be useless agaisnt Kimi he would have to contiually sprout bones over his skin to prevent Neji's chakra from seeping through. Something he won't be able to do again and again against Neji's taijutsu.

Haizaki · Oct 5, 2016

Forget the rest because they'll drag on forever.

KidGamer65 said:
And no, Kishimot's Databook doesn't state anything that's just you guys misinterpreting what the databook states. :lol Where does it state that it destroys chakra like Gentle Fist or that it attacks vitals with chakra? Nowhere. It says it attacks vitals. That's something any ordinary human can do. On the other hand we have 80 Gods Vacuum Attack which is stated to be similar to the Vacuum Palm, but far stronger and in the shape of a fist, that DOES NOT DO INTERNAL DAMAGE. So why would Vacuum Palm?

- Gentle Fist is used to attack the vitals. What makes little sense is how you can conclude "Every Human can do this" but fail to address every human't can't do this with aspects of Gentle Fist". The bold is stated in the Databook 3 after stating it's used to attack the vitals. Please then, explain to us the "aspects of Gentle Fist" in tis case. It's ridiculous we're arguing this when the Byakugan is even stated to pin point he vitals and then attacked with aspects of gentle fist. Come on on bro.

- 80 Gods Vacuum attack is ridiculously irrelevant here and I shouldn't have to say. Hyuugas are used with aspect of Gentle fist. That's not the same case for Kaguya or her attack that contains NO ASPECT OF GENTLE FIST. The DB4 entry of 80 Gods states "The fist attacks can also be used defensively", if we talk of similarity, then pin point this particular point considering the fact that Vacuum wall was used as a form of defense again the Juubi's hand while protecting members of the alliance. Similarity doesn't change the full use of the Jutsu.

Again, several Hyuuga attacks don't require the Byakugan for them to be used, but like I showed you, Gentle fist attacks aimed at the vitals with precision require the Byakugan as stated for this Jutsu. Address the aspects of the Byakugan being used to pin point the vitals with precision since every other human could

lol) and while you're at it, address the fact that "the technique with aspects of Gentle fist" thrust through the enemy's vital. Explain the use of that Gentle fist here and those aspects. Ridiculous but if you still argue this, then there's 100% reason for us not to drag this on. You agree for sure.

And no, they were obviously alive until they were killed.

Yes this is correct, had to rush while responding so didn't have time to cross check this. I've however seen points from Draegod in the past that can be used while debating this in particular.

- Kisame's clone didn't show any sign of pain while hit by Gai's initial Asakujaku kick that can kill an individual at once but screamed heavily from an ordinary punch from 7G Gai and even from Base Gai.

- Kisame also showed zero agony whole burning constanly