[VS] Kimmimaro VS Neji

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One can certainly take it that way but you only seemed to observe it in that particular fashion because it supports your argument. We all know what the databook implies.
No, I came to that conclusion because that is was the Manga blatantly shows. That air palm does NOT do internal damage. :lol But if you want to ignore Manga fact to support your twisted interpretation of what the databook stated then by all means go right ahead.
 

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No, I came to that conclusion because that is was the Manga blatantly shows. That air palm does NOT do internal damage. :lol But if you want to ignore Manga fact to support your twisted interpretation of what the databook stated then by all means go right ahead.
But why does it say, "with aspects of gentle fist"? The subtitle implies that this is just air that is compressed and shot out but then the description talks about aspects of gentle fist. I'm guessing Neji uses gentle fist chakra to compress the air but it is the air, not gentle fist chakra, that strikes the target.
 

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No, I came to that conclusion because that is was the Manga blatantly shows. That air palm does NOT do internal damage. :lol But if you want to ignore Manga fact to support your twisted interpretation of what the databook stated then by all means go right ahead.
If it didn't do internal damage it wouldn't need the byakugan to "pinpoint vital spots". Use your brain. "Using the all seeing eye as a scope, Neji detects the enemy's VITAL SPOT with precision. We all know what the Databook implies. We all know what the Byakugan is used for in terms of fighting. To pinpoint the chakra network and cause internal damage while at the same time closing off chakra points.
 
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If it didn't do internal damage it wouldn't need the byakugan to "pinpoint vital spots". Use your brain.
:lol Come back when there isn't a panel of Kisame being hit and receiving no damage sonny boy.

But why does it say, "with aspects of gentle fist"? The subtitle implies that this is just air that is compressed and shot out but then the description talks about aspects of gentle fist. I'm guessing Neji uses gentle fist chakra to compress the air but it is the air, not gentle fist chakra, that strikes the target.
Gentle Fist is all about hitting the vital points. Instead of using chakra Air Palm uses Compressed Air. That's how I see it, either that or what you said in the bold.
 

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No, , Kisame was blown away without realizing he was struck. Neji hit him right in front of him so there's no way Kisame would not be able to see it if he was fast enough.
hmmm i see.Though Lee and gai avoided getting hit [ ] so i doubt this work against kimi twice
 
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:lol Come back when there isn't a panel of Kisame being hit and receiving no damage sonny boy.



Gentle Fist is all about hitting the vital points. Instead of using chakra Air Palm uses Compressed Air. That's how I see it, either that or what you said in the bold.
Read my edited post. I like how you ran back to the manga, as if Kishi wanted to show scans of him receiving damage In a high speed fight between 3 people. Smh



Neo, this is why I don't debate anymore. Doesn't make sense trying to drill facts into someone's head when the proof is in their face.
 

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hmmm i see.Though Lee and gai avoided getting hit [ ] so i doubt this work against kimi twice
Pretty sure they weren't in range as vacuum palm is a pinpoint strike. Not to mention I believe Gai and Lee have better reactions than Kimi, especially Gai.
 

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Read my edited post. I like how you ran back to the manga, as if Kishi wanted to show scans of him receiving damage In a high speed fight between 3 people. Smh



Neo, this is why I don't debate anymore. Doesn't make sense trying to drill facts into someone's head when the proof is in their face.
So is this what we do now? Make idiotic excuses like the bold as if we were in the room when Kishimoto drew this scene? If Kisame was damaged it would've shown when he was hit. It being a high speed fight doesn't mean he won't illustrate damage. :lol

Now, when that scan of Kisame taking it without being damaged vanishes off the face of the planet you will have a small, tiny little point. Until then you are wrong and you look pathetic sitting here trying to make excuses for why said panel doesn't count. End of story.
 

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So is this what we do now? Make idiotic excuses like the bold as if we were in the room when Kishimoto drew this scene? If Kisame was damaged it would've shown when he was hit. It being a high speed fight doesn't mean he won't illustrate damage. :lol

Now, when that scan of Kisame taking it without being damaged vanishes off the face of the planet you will have a small, tiny little point. Until then you are wrong and you look pathetic sitting here trying to make excuses for why said panel doesn't count. End of story.

Sure bro bro.
 

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Gentle Fist is all about hitting the vital points. Instead of using chakra Air Palm uses Compressed Air. That's how I see it, either that or what you said in the bold.
huh wasn't it stated Air Palm uses chakra.I mean kaguya whose attack was said to be similiar to hyuga's loads chakra in her fists and then fire it
 

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hmmm i see.Though Lee and gai avoided getting hit [ ] so i doubt this work against kimi twice

huh wasn't it stated Air Palm uses chakra.I mean kaguya whose attack was said to be similiar to hyuga's loads chakra in her fists and then fire it
When I said chakra I was talking about Gentle Fist chakra.
 

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Lol Gentle Fist only bypasses it if he can jab Kimimaro in the first place, and Kimimaro can sprout bones from anywhere on his body. So he'd protect the area he's trying to jab with his bones and then dismantle Neji while he's recoiling. If he engages CM2 then attacks like his bone drill and whip force him to defend or retreat rather then attack.

Then we have the forest which ends Neji one way or another. Either the initial use kills him or the fact that Kimimaro can merge with his bones for surprise back attacks kills him.
Chakra can be inserted into Kimi's body even if he grows bones on his body. Just like how chakra went through Kidomaru's web into Neji's body. Unless Kimi's bones have chakra blocking capabilities, your tactic isn't going to work.

I agree that bone forest can one shot Neji but he's not going to use it without full intel.
 
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Pretty sure they weren't in range as vacuum palm is a pinpoint strike. Not to mention I believe Gai and Lee have better reactions than Kimi, especially Gai.
well they did jump to avoid it [ ][ ]
When I said chakra I was talking about Gentle Fist chakra.
i see
 

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Chakra can be inserted into Kimi's body even if he grows bones on his body. Just like how chakra went through Kidomaru's web into Neji's body. Unless Kimi's bones have chakra blocking capabilities, your tactic isn't going to work.

I agree that bone forest can one shot Neji but he's not going to use it without full intel.
Neji had to grab the web and channel chakra through it for that to work. If he tries to do that here he gets killed. Simple jabs won't work. Not to mention that only worked because Kidomaru's web had chakra in it.





That's not how Kimimaro's bones work.

That doesn't matter because Neji can't kill him before he decides to use it nor does intel matter in terms of whether or not he'll use it. It only matters in terms of "will he" use it.
 

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That doesn't matter. :lol It's aimed at his body. It's compressed air. It's not a bullet type attack so this point doesn't matter. And none of the rest matters as he can't defeat Kimimaro with it, so Kimimaro takes it, recovers and then takes Neji apart.

Its aimed at his body but specific areas are targeted and can be pinpointed , its compressed Air launched with a pinpinted Palm sized attack as its base.



Who said it contained Gentle Fist chakra? Not the Manga or the Databook.

The compressed Vacuum shell contains aspects of Jyuken and the main feature of Jyuken is to cause internal damage among other aspects , so which aspect of Jyuken does Air-palm contain? It Works the similar to 80 Gods which loads Chakra into the palms but instead does works by compressing a Vacuum shell with the Jyuken Chkra but i could be wrong about this , how exactly do u think it works and wat specific aspects do u think it shares with Jyuken?


And Naruto was hit. They clashed, matched each other for a brief while and then she broke through and hit him. If they worked how you say they worked they would've damaged him and there's no ifs, ands or buts about it. "not a focused shot" is irrelevant. Why would that matter? And no, No internal damage at all.
She hit Sasuke's PS with a focused shot and was able to destroy it , while Naruto's case seemed more geared towards him getting gradually overpowered and then getting blasted away by the shockwave after she bypassed the Chakra arms in front of him since they were clashing beforehand. I meant focused as in it getting a clean hit similar to PS but im iffy and all this tho.






If Kisame was injured you would've seen it the moment he was hit, or the panels after that. Meanwhile there is no indication of him using Samehada to heal himself. Absolutely no way you can argue he took damage.

The Bold isn't exactly true since Kidomaro was injured by Jyuken yet but yet it wasn't made clear the moment it happened.
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The panels after Kisame got hit was him immediately having to deal with follow-ups to which he commented on the whole Team being annoying as a whole , which was wat Kishi was trying to establish so it wouldn't make sense to single out Neji's attack.

-We know that Kisame can heal simply from holding Samehaba but again its iffy because Neji could've made note of Kisame not seeming to have taken as much damage as he should've from the Air-palm given that it conflicts with Kishi's desription in the DB regarding it attacking vitals.



And the DB only said that the Byakugan pinpoints vitals and attacks them w/ compressed air similar to how you attack the vitals in the Gentle Fist fighting style. Nowhere does it say that it bypasses the flesh or even implies that it does that. You don't need to bypass flesh to attack vital areas. Combine that with the fact that Kisame took Air Palm with no damage and it's clear that it doesn't do internal damage.
Yea , but it attacks the Vitals with multiple features attributed to Jyuken which can include only two things , im not seeing the sense of targetting vitals if the whole goal and featue of the tech was to blast the enemy off their feat which can be done without going through the trouble of Targeting Vitals that they cant even damage seeing since compressed Air wont do anything to vitals which would make the description concerning Vitals and precision redundant seeing that it would always end with the enemy getting blwon away no matter wat vitals get targeted..
 

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Its aimed at his body but specific areas are targeted and can be pinpointed , its compressed Air launched with a pinpinted Palm sized attack as its base.
It's palm sized. That's not pinpointed enough for him to be unable to block, especially since the main vital areas are located on his upper body.






The compressed Vacuum shell contains aspects of Jyuken and the main feature of Jyuken is to cause internal damage among other aspects , so which aspect of Jyuken does Air-palm contain? It Works the similar to 80 Gods which loads Chakra into the palms but instead does works by compressing a Vacuum shell with the Jyuken Chkra but i could be wrong about this , how exactly do u think it works and wat specific aspects do u think it shares with Jyuken?
I explained how I think it works above.


She hit Sasuke's PS with a focused shot and was able to destroy it , while Naruto's case seemed more geared towards him getting gradually overpowered and then getting blasted away by the shockwave after she bypassed the Chakra arms in front of him since they were clashing beforehand. I meant focused as in it getting a clean hit similar to PS but im iffy and all this tho.
Because that's it's attack power. Has nothing to do with destroying chakra. Naruto didn't get hit by the shockwave and I have no idea why you are trying to argue this when the Manga literally shows him being hit. Naruto got hit. No damage at all. If it did internal damage he'd be damaged. Kisame got hit. No damage. If it did internal damage there would be damage shown.



The Bold isn't exactly true since Kidomaro was injured by Jyuken yet but yet it wasn't made clear the moment it happened.
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The panels after Kisame got hit was him immediately having to deal with follow-ups to which he commented on the whole Team being annoying as a whole , which was wat Kishi was trying to establish so it wouldn't make sense to single out Neji's attack.

-We know that Kisame can heal simply from holding Samehaba but again its iffy because Neji could've made note of Kisame not seeming to have taken as much damage as he should've from the Air-palm given that it conflicts with Kishi's desription in the DB regarding it attacking vitals.
Kidomaru's facial expression and the fact he's shown falling over are the obvious signs of him being damaged. Meanwhile Kisame is hit, shows nothing that'd even begin to hint at damage nor does he show anything throughout the rest of the panels. Stop with this weak excuse. It makes zero sense. You two will not get anywhere with this reaching and grasping at straws. Kishimoto wanting to focus on the team attack doesn't mean that he won't illustrate damage if Kisame is damaged nor would illustrating damage take away from that. What you are saying literally makes no sense. If that explosive attack had hit Kisame head on with him not defending or anything by your logic we would be saying Kishimoto would've drawn him with zero damage. :lol Come on now.

And no, Kisame is shown nowhere to be damaged or to heal from the damage he wasn't shown taking. Nowhere at all.


Yea , but it attacks the Vitals with multiple features attributed to Jyuken which can include only two things , im not seeing the sense of targetting vitals if the whole goal and featue of the tech was to blast the enemy off their feat which can be done without going through the trouble of Targeting Vitals that they cant even damage seeing since compressed Air wont do anything to vitals which would make the description concerning Vitals and precision redundant seeing that it would always end with the enemy getting blwon away no matter wat vitals get targeted..
Regardless of how you think it may work, it doesn't do internal damage and that's what my main point is. That's what the Manga explicitly shows and there's absolutely no arguing against that.
 
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When I said chakra I was talking about Gentle Fist chakra.
i see

What exactly would be the difference between loading Jyuken Chakra into Air-palm compared to loading Normal Chakra from a Hyuga?



It's palm sized. That's not pinpointed enough for him to be unable to block, especially since the main vital areas are located on his upper body.
Yea but its still not very predictable given the nature of the attack + its speed as its literally meant to compensate for weaknesses in Taijutsu and Neji can aim for a head-shot , Kimi can Block but him deducing the exact area Neji targets isn't making sense to me when Neji can aim at any given spot with precision meanwhile Kimi would still be on his backwards momentum from the first so he wouldn't be capable of defending himself so smoothly.



I explained how I think it works above.
Ahh , must a missed that.




Because that's it's attack power. Has nothing to do with destroying chakra. Naruto didn't get hit by the shockwave and I have no idea why you are trying to argue this when the Manga literally shows him being hit. Naruto got hit. No damage at all. If it did internal damage he'd be damaged. Kisame got hit. No damage. If it did internal damage there would be damage shown.

I basically saw it as Naruto getting his Chakra arms blasted through by Kaguya's to which he got sent flying after his Arms failed , but ur right about it being due to Attack power as 80 Gods works by blunt force damage , without directly trying to invade like Air-palm or her Hair needles which works by literally targeting Vitals unlike 80 Gods which is basically a Fist.





Kidomaru's facial expression and the fact he's shown falling over are the obvious signs of him being damaged. Meanwhile Kisame is hit, shows nothing that'd even begin to hint at damage nor does he show anything throughout the rest of the panels. Stop with this weak excuse. It makes zero sense. You two will not get anywhere with this reaching and grasping at straws. Kishimoto wanting to focus on the team attack doesn't mean that he won't illustrate damage if Kisame is damaged nor would illustrating damage take away from that. What you are saying literally makes no sense. If that explosive attack had hit Kisame head on with him not defending or anything by your logic we would be saying Kishimoto would've drawn him with zero damage. :lol Come on now.
But in comparison we never really had time for Kisame to establish as much expression as Kidomaro and both expressions showed only shock after getting hit not to mention Kisame wasn't shown directly after getting hit and when he was it was only due to having to deal with Tentens incoming attack.

-The only way for us to have confirmed Damage from Air-palm would be if Kisame either made note which he couldn't do due to the situation he was in , or if we saw him spitting blood after emerging from the water , but he'd logically already have healed himself while underwater anyway so Kisame wouldn't have shown signs of Damage after the Combo and he couldn't show damage at the exact moment he was hit.


-But yea i dont like to stray away from the Mnga or logic which is why im conflicted here since Air palm was only shown on a human in that instance and was only noted by vague description once in the DB but Byakugan pinpointing vitals and attacking them heavily implies that Air-palm does more than simply blow the targets off their feet as doing so would require no need for such precision.

-Kishi says that the Compressed vacuum shell with "Aspects" of Gentle Fist is thrusts through the enemies targeted vital with tremendous force , so we have to define wat exactly Kishi meant when he says "Aspects".

Regardless of how you think it may work, it doesn't do internal damage and that's what my main point is. That's what the Manga explicitly shows and there's absolutely no arguing against that.
Which i why i asked u so we can make sense of it , but yea no point arguing against it when the DB describes one thing but Manga shows the opposite and makes the DB redundant , which is the only notation of how the tech works that we have available.

-If we took the word aspects as "ingredient" it would mean that Jyuken Chkar is indeed compressed into the vacuum shell since it was noted that the Air is compressed along with aspects of Jyuken which could mean Jyuken Chakra is a ingredient mixed inside the compressed vacuum , or we could use the word aspect as features which could mean that Jyuken Chakra is used to solely compress the Air but that doesn't add up since it was heavily implied by the DB that Air is compressed with The Jyuken Chakra already in it before its fired which would make Gentle fist a ingredient meaning thats wat kishi meant when he said "Aspects" of Jyuken along with compressed Vacuum shell is shot simultaneously through the Vital..

This is why im asking for ur opinion on wat specific features they share together , ntn about manga just give me ur raw opinion..
 
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Thought y'all was talking about SRA Neji. War arc neji should near stomp his speed was up there with Part 1 Sasuke and Lee yes hebi Sasuke is better than both but they be atleast on par with him speed wise by logic Neji should win this Kimmi is superoverrated War arc Neji would drag any kid in part one.
 

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Lol i also thought it was 13 years old Neji Vs 15 years old Kimi. Wtf 18 years old War Arc Neji stomps him.

Don't overrate my boy Kimimaro, he wasn't that good.
 
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