[VS] Kimmimaro VS Neji

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Terrain: Lee vs Kimi
Intel: None
inetnt: to kill
Range: 10 meter start

kimmi is healthy and can use CM2​

Hmm interesting match up.

Taijutsu: Both are very deadly close range, but i think neji would be able to act accordingly with his byakugan active.

Air palm can counter bone projectiles,and the bone forest can be counterd by rotation, well atleast the part where neji stands. his worry would be from which bone would kimmi pop out ofand i don think he'd be able to distinquish it becaus ethey are made out of chakra. this would give kimmi a chance to find the blind spot.

what do yall think?
 
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Kimi wins, his bones counter Gentle Fist pretty well.

Hyuugas have never impressed me, they seem pretty one-dimensional. Neji's only hope here is KO'ing Kimi with a Juubi-repelling Air Palm, which I don't see happening.
 

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Are both of them in Character meaning Kimimaro would attempt Taijutsu and CQC before using CM1 and 2? Anyway since no intel Neji opens up with a Quick Mid-range Air-palm catching Base Kimi Off-Guard , then shunshins towards him and ends it with a follow-up Air-palm aimed at his Heart/Brain while he's still being carried by the backwards momentum from the first Air-palm..
 

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Anyone who can reads the Manga knows that Kimimaro is stronger than any form of Neji and would defeat any form of Neji.

Are both of them in Character meaning Kimimaro would attempt Taijutsu and CQC before using CM1 and 2? Anyway since no intel Neji opens up with a Quick Mid-range Air-palm catching Base Kimi Off-Guard , then shunshins towards him and ends it with a follow-up Air-palm aimed at his Heart/Brain while he's still being carried by the backwards momentum from the first Air-palm..
Lmao what do you think Kimimaro is going to do while Neji is doing this? If he gets hit by the first one, he simply blocks the second one. Not even sure where you are getting his Air palms having lethal force from when he hit Kisame's 30% clone and literally didn't do a thing to him.

If you are referring to the databook, the databook never once says that Air Palm can destroy chakra or damage internal organs like Gentle Fist can and the Manga confirms this.
 

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Anyone who can reads the Manga knows that Kimimaro is stronger than any form of Neji and would defeat any form of Neji.



Lmao what do you think Kimimaro is going to do while Neji is doing this? If he gets hit by the first one, he simply blocks the second one. Not even sure where you are getting his Air palms having lethal force from when he hit Kisame's 30% clone and literally didn't do a thing to him.

If you are referring to the databook, the databook never once says that Air Palm can destroy chakra or damage internal organs like Gentle Fist can and the Manga confirms this.
By the time Kimi gets ready to Block the second he'd have already been in a bad position due to the first , he wont know exactly where the second is being aimed at since the Byakugan is purposely searching for loopholes and a consecutive burst can be initiated if Kimi blocks the second.

-The descriptions says it thrusts through the enemies Vitals after Byakugan pinpoints said vital , the mechanics of the tech has been described as being similar in practice to Kaguya's vacuum tech which works by loading Chakra in the palms and launching it , If Air palm works by compressing Air into a Vacuum shell with Jyuken Chakra inside the Vacuum shell then i dont see how it cant do internal damage unless Jyuken Chakra is not involved in any aspect at all.

-30% Kisame had Samehaba which has shown the ability to heal fairly quickly and he had ample time to do this after getting launched..
 

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By the time Kimi gets ready to Block the second he'd have already been in a bad position due to the first , he wont know exactly where the second is being aimed at since the Byakugan is purposely searching for loopholes and a consecutive burst can be initiated if Kimi blocks the second.

-The descriptions says it thrusts through the enemies Vitals after Byakugan pinpoints said vital , the mechanics of the tech has been described as being similar in practice to Kaguya's vacuum tech which works by loading Chakra in the palms and launching it , If Air palm works by compressing Air into a Vacuum shell with Jyuken Chakra inside the Vacuum shell then i dont see how it cant do internal damage unless Jyuken Chakra is not involved in any aspect at all.

-30% Kisame had Samehaba which has shown the ability to heal fairly quickly and he had ample time to do this after getting launched..
That doesn't make sense. Unless he can't perceive Neji at all then there's no way he's going to know where the second one is coming from. And firing another one doesn't matter because Kimimaro would still block it, and then when he lands Neji gets raped. This is even assuming that he doesn't outright evade the first one to begin with. How did you even come to the conclusion that Neji hits Kimimaro with the first one?

It containing chakra doesn't mean it destroys chakra or does internal damage. Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack hit Naruto directly and he was fine, so there's no way it does internal damage or destroys chakra. Not to mention Kisame was uninjured by it so there's absolutely no way it does internal damage.


And where is it implied that he did so? Where was it even implied that he was damaged?
 

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Overrating Kimimaro here. Sure Kimi might be superior but not to the extent where this fight is no longer debatable.
No, he's definitely that much superior. You can argue the difficulty but you are absolutely not arguing that Neji has a chance of actually defeating Kimimaro here.
 

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That doesn't make sense. Unless he can't perceive Neji at all then there's no way he's going to know where the second one is coming from. And firing another one doesn't matter because Kimimaro would still block it, and then when he lands Neji gets raped. This is even assuming that he doesn't outright evade the first one to begin with. How did you even come to the conclusion that Neji hits Kimimaro with the first one?
Kimi knowing where its coming from doesn't mean he's gonna predict the exact vital target Neji aims at , even if he blocks consecutive shots will still have him in a bad position physically.

-Bold , I deduced this by the speed of the tech being fast enough to blow the enemy away before he knows he's been hit along with the lack of intel for both parties and i also based it on both being in Character with Kimi choosing to fight the way he did Lee and Naruto. If Kimi somehow predicts what Neji is about to do and evades then his next move would be to get within CQC Range of Neji by coming even closer.



It containing chakra doesn't mean it destroys chakra or does internal damage. Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack hit Naruto directly and he was fine, so there's no way it does internal damage or destroys chakra. Not to mention Kisame was uninjured by it so there's absolutely no way it does internal damage.

But how can it contain Jyuken Chakra which is then shot into/through the targeted Vital with tremendous force but not do internal damage when the same Jyuken Chakra in being shot through the skin?? Naruto wasn't hit with a focused shot of 80 Gods , if i remember correctly she hit him after both were in a Chakra clash to which Naruto's was then overpowered and he was subsequently knocked away by the Shockwave left over from the destruction of his own Chakra fists.

And where is it implied that he did so? Where was it even implied that he was damaged?
The situation was rushed involving consecutive attacks , Kisame was launched then attacked by Tenten straight after to which he had to flee underwater without giving much time for him to show implication of damage immediately after getting hit by Air palm which was only phase 2 of the Combo. Then by viewing the context behind the scenario , Kishi wanted to show emphasis on the Team as a whole being annoying.

-But yea it doesn't make sense to try and argue against The Manga but why would Byakugan need to pinpoint vital organs with precision for Air palm to target them with a Blast which contains Jyuken Chkra not do internal damge when shot through the skin at tremendous forces? , unless the Chkara doesn't bypass the skin , but descriptions on the tech makes it clear that it does bypass the flesh to get to the vitals , or unless Air palm doesn't contain Jyuken Chakra but we know that it does.
 
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Kimi knowing where its coming from doesn't mean he's gonna predict the exact vital target Neji aims at , even if he blocks consecutive shots will still have him in a bad position physically.

-Bold , I deduced this by the speed of the tech being fast enough to blow the enemy away before he knows he's been hit along with the lack of intel for both parties and i also based it on both being in Character with Kimi choosing to fight the way he did Lee and Naruto.
That doesn't matter. :lol It's aimed at his body. It's compressed air. It's not a bullet type attack so this point doesn't matter. And none of the rest matters as he can't defeat Kimimaro with it, so Kimimaro takes it, recovers and then takes Neji apart.







But how can it contain Jyuken Chakra which is then shot into/through the targeted Vital with tremendous force but not do internal damage when the same Jyuken Chakra in being shot through the skin?? Naruto wasn't hit with a focused shot of 80 Gods , if i remember correctly she hit him after both were in a Chakra clash to which Naruto's was then overpowered and he was subsequently knocked away by the Shockwave left over from the destruction of his own Chakra fists.
Who said it contained Gentle Fist chakra? Not the Manga or the Databook.

And Naruto was hit. They clashed, matched each other for a brief while and then she broke through and hit him. If they worked how you say they worked they would've damaged him and there's no ifs, ands or buts about it. "not a focused shot" is irrelevant. Why would that matter? And no, No internal damage at all.


The situation was rushed involving consecutive attacks , Kisame was launched then attacked by Tenten straight after to which he had to flee underwater without giving much time for him to show implication of damage immediately after getting hit by Air palm which was only phase 2 of the Combo. Then by viewing the context behind the scenario , Kishi wanted to show emphasis on the Team as a whole being annoying.

-But yea it doesn't make sense to try and argue against The Manga but why would Byakugan need to pinpoint vital organs with precision for Air palm to target them with a Blast which contains Jyuken Chkra not do internal damge? , unless the Chkara doesn't bypass the skin , but descriptions on the tech makes it clear that it does bypass the flesh to get to the vitals , or unless Air palm doesn't contain Jyuken Chakra.



If Kisame was injured you would've seen it the moment he was hit, or the panels after that. Meanwhile there is no indication of him using Samehada to heal himself. Absolutely no way you can argue he took damage.

And the DB only said that the Byakugan pinpoints vitals and attacks them w/ compressed air similar to how you attack the vitals in the Gentle Fist fighting style. Nowhere does it say that it bypasses the flesh or even implies that it does that. You don't need to bypass flesh to attack vital areas. Combine that with the fact that Kisame took Air Palm with no damage and it's clear that it doesn't do internal damage.
 

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No, he's definitely that much superior. You can argue the difficulty but you are absolutely not arguing that Neji has a chance of actually defeating Kimimaro here.
Durability is one reason why Kimimaro is so strong but gentle fist bypasses it so I don't see how Kimimaro wins 100% of the time.
 

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Who said it contained Gentle Fist chakra? Not the Manga or the Databook.

And the DB only said that the Byakugan pinpoints vitals and attacks them w/ compressed air similar to how you attack the vitals in the Gentle Fist fighting style. Nowhere does it say that it bypasses the flesh or even implies that it does that. You don't need to bypass flesh to attack vital areas. Combine that with the fact that Kisame took Air Palm with no damage and it's clear that it doesn't do internal damage.
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"With aspects of Gentle Fist". "Thrusts through an enemy's vital spot". Sounds just like jyuekn and also sounds pretty damaging to me.
 

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Durability is one reason why Kimimaro is so strong but gentle fist bypasses it so I don't see how Kimimaro wins 100% of the time.
Lol Gentle Fist only bypasses it if he can jab Kimimaro in the first place, and Kimimaro can sprout bones from anywhere on his body. So he'd protect the area he's trying to jab with his bones and then dismantle Neji while he's recoiling. If he engages CM2 then attacks like his bone drill and whip force him to defend or retreat rather then attack.

Then we have the forest which ends Neji one way or another. Either the initial use kills him or the fact that Kimimaro can merge with his bones for surprise back attacks kills him.

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"With aspects of Gentle Fist". "Thrusts through an enemy's vital spot". Sounds just like jyuekn and also sounds pretty damaging to me.
I'm just going to ask you to read over everything I've typed since I just addressed this. :lol
 

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wasn't the only reason Kisame couldn't block it becoz he was preoccuoied with Lee and Gai
No, , Kisame was blown away without realizing he was struck. Neji hit him right in front of him so there's no way Kisame would not be able to see it if he was fast enough.
 

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Lol Gentle Fist only bypasses it if he can jab Kimimaro in the first place, and Kimimaro can sprout bones from anywhere on his body. So he'd protect the area he's trying to jab with his bones and then dismantle Neji while he's recoiling. If he engages CM2 then attacks like his bone drill and whip force him to defend or retreat rather then attack.

Then we have the forest which ends Neji one way or another. Either the initial use kills him or the fact that Kimimaro can merge with his bones for surprise back attacks kills him.



I'm just going to ask you to read over everything I've typed since I just addressed this. :lol
One can certainly take it that way but you only seemed to observe it in that particular fashion because it supports your argument. We all know what the databook implies.
 
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