Kimimaro VS Sound 4

[Curse Mark]

BTW Kimimaro can sprout bones from the ground at precise locations without using large scale Bone Forest. Thus I'm no longer sure S4 can win since they can't counter this.

Did you not read my post? I countered bone forest but he's also never been able to do like a specific area far away, its always like it spreads towards what he's aiming for.

 

[Apêx1]

Did you not read my post? I countered bone forest but he's also never been able to do like a specific area far away, its always like it spreads towards what he's aiming for.

I disregarded your counter, if you really think a rock is going to crush Bone Forest then you are delusional.

Look at the bones

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. They were only in that area, none were in front of Kimimaro and none were any further in front of Naruto. Thus he had bones come up from that specific area. And BTW, Kidomaru definitely cannot see chakra internally. The chakra he saw would be visible to anyone else, chakra in large quantities is visible. Not to mention, it took him ages to notice it.

 

[Red Slayer]

Kimimaro already beat those 4.... amm

 

[Curse Mark]

I disregarded your counter, if you really think a rock is going to crush Bone Forest then you are delusional.

Look at the bones

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. They were only in that area, none were in front of Kimimaro and none were any further in front of Naruto. Thus he had bones come up from that specific area. And BTW, Kidomaru definitely cannot see chakra internally. The chakra he saw would be visible to anyone else, chakra in large quantities is visible. Not to mention, it took him ages to notice it.

Lol the fact that you focused so hard only on the part about Jirobo which was just meant to prove that Jirobo can do more than earth dome is comical. I literally offered so much other stuff that you just didn't bother reading. And I'm sorry I didn't mean crush bone forest I meant cover. Which is fact. The bones would pierce the boulder but wouldn't be long enough to go all the way through. And they would be of no use to Kimi unless they were showing.
Also, if the chakra was so clearly visible to anyone else from as far away as he was, why wasn't it visible?

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[Sithis]

Yeah all in on Kimi

 

[Apêx1]

Lol the fact that you focused so hard only on the part about Jirobo which was just meant to prove that Jirobo can do more than earth dome is comical. I literally offered so much other stuff that you just didn't bother reading. And I'm sorry I didn't mean crush bone forest I meant cover. Which is fact. The bones would pierce the boulder but wouldn't be long enough to go all the way through. And they would be of no use to Kimi unless they were showing.
Also, if the chakra was so clearly visible to anyone else from as far away as he was, why wasn't it visible?

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I didn't read your whole post, I just ctrl+f bone forest and saw anything related there. You aren't taking into account the lacking vertical height of the rock even if it was pierced, because it's not even CLOSE to high enough to block out a decent portion of the vertical length of the bones. Only in horizontal length will it cover the bone forest.
Did I say it was clearly visible? No, I said it's visible. That means it could be seen but only slightly because of how light it must be. Rasengan is also pure chakra and can be seen because of the amount of chakra built into it. Chakra is not always invisible, and in this case, it wasn't invisible. Kidomaru being able to see chakra inside a body is completely fan-fic and will never be substantiated because it's illogical and false. There would be mention of this in the Databook as well. All his eyes allow him to do is perceive far more precisely and accurately.

 

[Curse Mark]

I didn't read your whole post, I just ctrl+f bone forest and saw anything related there. You aren't taking into account the lacking vertical height of the rock even if it was pierced, because it's not even CLOSE to high enough to block out a decent portion of the vertical length of the bones. Only in horizontal length will it cover the bone forest.
Did I say it was clearly visible? No, I said it's visible. That means it could be seen but only slightly because of how light it must be. Rasengan is also pure chakra and can be seen because of the amount of chakra built into it. Chakra is not always invisible, and in this case, it wasn't invisible. Kidomaru being able to see chakra inside a body is completely fan-fic and will never be substantiated because it's illogical and false. There would be mention of this in the Databook as well. All his eyes allow him to do is perceive far more precisely and accurately.

Dude give me the respect of actually reading my post and countering it like I do to you and everyone else on here or I'm just gonna assume you actually did read it and couldn't counter it.

 

[Apêx1]

Dude give me the respect of actually reading my post and countering it like I do to you and everyone else on here or I'm just gonna assume you actually did read it and couldn't counter it.

Why would I if I didn't even quote you in the first place? I only put my post there to state that I've had a change of mind from my initial opinion. I saw most of your counters, the only one I agree on is the webs putting him off the ground, but then again I don't see them hitting Kimimaro in the first place.

 

[Curse Mark]

Why would I if I didn't even quote you in the first place? I only put my post there to state that I've had a change of mind from my initial opinion. I saw most of your counters, the only one I agree on is the webs putting him off the ground, but then again I don't see them hitting Kimimaro in the first place.

If Kimimaro tries to attack from above,

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If he tries to attack from below,

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If he tries to attack in close range,

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If he tries to back away or distance himself, not even Neji managed to evade these for more than a couple panels.

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And they've shown to easily restrain limbs.

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If Kimi is trying to rush/blitz him head on,

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Which is easily much taller and wider than Neji. Avoiding the webs is harder than it sounds, especially when he's got 3 other people to worry about, spider strings/webs on the ground that can tie up feet before they are noticed, and his illness holding him back.

 

[Apêx1]

If Kimimaro tries to attack from above,

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If he tries to attack from below,

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If he tries to attack in close range,

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If he tries to back away or distance himself, not even Neji managed to evade these for more than a couple panels.

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And they've shown to easily restrain limbs.

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If Kimi is trying to rush/blitz him head on,

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Which is easily much taller and wider than Neji. Avoiding the webs is harder than it sounds, especially when he's got 3 other people to worry about, spider strings/webs on the ground that can tie up feet before they are noticed, and his illness holding him back.

Aren't you kind of ignoring the fact that Kimimaro can simply have bones stick out from the parts which the webs are stuck to in order to leave the webs in the case he does get caught? Unless it's engulfing him, but that's doubtful. I think you're underrating Kimimaro's agility here, Neji would be incapable of dodging Gaara's sand let alone doing something on the level of what Kimimaro was doing. Lee was far faster then Neji yet Lee couldn't do shit to Kimimaro speed wise, and only did decently because of him being drunk. I'd like you to tell me how Jirobo or Tayuya are relevant here when they can get one shotted from the get-go with bone bullets. Even Sakon/Ukon don't have the feats to dodge that IMO. But I can see what you mean, the webs can be a pain in the ass.

 

[DrProof]

You guys are underrating the S4 as a GROUP. Kimimaro no doubt can take them all out 1v1, but as a team the outcome changes DRASTICALLY. It's that simple.

 

[Curse Mark]

Aren't you kind of ignoring the fact that Kimimaro can simply have bones stick out from the parts which the webs are stuck to in order to leave the webs in the case he does get caught? Unless it's engulfing him, but that's doubtful. I think you're underrating Kimimaro's agility here, Neji would be incapable of dodging Gaara's sand let alone doing something on the level of what Kimimaro was doing. Lee was far faster then Neji yet Lee couldn't do shit to Kimimaro speed wise, and only did decently because of him being drunk. I'd like you to tell me how Jirobo or Tayuya are relevant here when they can get one shotted from the get-go with bone bullets. Even Sakon/Ukon don't have the feats to dodge that IMO. But I can see what you mean, the webs can be a pain in the ass.

No that wouldn't free him from the webs at all. It might slightly stretch the webs but he still can't get out. I already showed that he gets instantly cocooned.
Kimimaro dodges ever so slightly by bobbing and weaving while fighting Naruto clones. He catches those webs and is done.
Even the way he was rolling around and dodging the sand still isn't enough as when he tries to roll he gets caught on the ground webs like Kiba.
Doki block Tayuya from bone bullets and Jirobo can avoid them with hiding like a mole. Sakon/Ukon dodge them. All of them counter bone bullets easily with the distance.
You still seem to be thinking about this like they're attacking one at a time when in reality they're using teamwork.

 

[Apêx1]

No that wouldn't free him from the webs at all. It might slightly stretch the webs but he still can't get out. I already showed that he gets instantly cocooned.
Kimimaro dodges ever so slightly by bobbing and weaving while fighting Naruto clones. He catches those webs and is done.
Even the way he was rolling around and dodging the sand still isn't enough as when he tries to roll he gets caught on the ground webs like Kiba.
Doki block Tayuya from bone bullets and Jirobo can avoid them with hiding like a mole. Sakon/Ukon dodge them. All of them counter bone bullets easily with the distance.
You still seem to be thinking about this like they're attacking one at a time when in reality they're using teamwork.

-I was only speaking if it touches him from one part of his body and not the other. That would be the case since the webs are stuck to skin and the skin would get ripped apart by the bone leaving. Kimi just needs to release that bone then. But it's never going to happen because of his speed

-Too bad no feats of webs to put them anywhere near fast enough to catch Kimimaro. He'll see the webs on the ground and just avoid them since this is a 1v1 in an open location. There's no way Kidomaru can set them up without Kimimaro noticing. Based on what he did vs Gaara he's more then capable of avoiding them after that.

-Lol? Look at your own stipulations. No intel. They're not going to do anything when they don't have the speed for it nor the knowledge. She, Jirobo and Sakon/Ukon literally die in the first few seconds. Jirobo has Hiding like a Mole? No, he doesn't. You're probably reading the wikia, which is wrong. Feel free to supply scans if you don't believe me. BTW, what are Sakon/Ukon's reaction feats? Last I checked their base movement speed was a measly 3 and their reaction feats were lacking.

-So Kimimaro can't fire Bone bullets from his fingers continuously while running? lol. He sees many opponents, this is most likely has best option so he'll use it. Otherwise he can always use the ranged bone forest I showed you to one shot some of them.

-I would take the others into account when you tell me how they survive bone bullets/range bones from the ground.

 

[Curse Mark]

1.I was only speaking if it touches him from one part of his body and not the other. That would be the case since the webs are stuck to skin and the skin would get ripped apart by the bone leaving. Kimi just needs to release that bone then. But it's never going to happen because of his speed

2.Too bad no feats of webs to put them anywhere near fast enough to catch Kimimaro. He'll see the webs on the ground and just avoid them since this is a 1v1 in an open location. There's no way Kidomaru can set them up without Kimimaro noticing. Based on what he did vs Gaara he's more then capable of avoiding them after that.

3. Lol? Look at your own stipulations. No intel. They're not going to do anything when they don't have the speed for it nor the knowledge. She, Jirobo and Sakon/Ukon literally die in the first few seconds. Jirobo has Hiding like a Mole? No, he doesn't. You're probably reading the wikia, which is wrong. Feel free to supply scans if you don't believe me. BTW, what are Sakon/Ukon's reaction feats? Last I checked their base movement speed was a measly 3 and their reaction feats were lacking.

4.So Kimimaro can't fire Bone bullets from his fingers continuously while running? lol. He sees many opponents, this is most likely has best option so he'll use it. Otherwise he can always use the ranged bone forest I showed you to one shot some of them.

-I would take the others into account when you tell me how they survive bone bullets/range bones from the ground.

1.I already provided the scans. Kimimaro can't attack from above, below, or front in any way without getting webbed.
2.In the scans I already provided, you don't see them until you're already wrapped up in them.
3.What would you call the jutsu that works identically to hiding like a mole?
No, i'm not usng the wikia.
4.No he cannot use bone bullets continually. His fingers have to close, bones have to reform, and when he uses them he was to 'throw them' if you get what I mean. To use it continually he would need to not have to regenerate and to be constantly flailing his arms back and forth.

 

[Apêx1]

1.I already provided the scans. Kimimaro can't attack from above, below, or front in any way without getting webbed.
2.In the scans I already provided, you don't see them until you're already wrapped up in them.
3.What would you call the jutsu that works identically to hiding like a mole?
No, i'm not usng the wikia.
4.No he cannot use bone bullets continually. His fingers have to close, bones have to reform, and when he uses them he was to 'throw them' if you get what I mean. To use it continually he would need to not have to regenerate and to be constantly flailing his arms back and forth.

1. Wot? I have told you an infinite amount of times that Kimimaro is too fast for them. Them catching someone hundreds of times slower then him=/=them catching him.
2. Point? Their inexperience was the reason they got caught in vulnerable positions. Kimimaro's method of dodging Gaara's sand showed that he's more then capable of getting around it without putting himself in jeopardy.
3. Which one? Link me, because right now I have no idea what you're talking about.
4. ??? Throws with his left hand

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, and now throws with his left hand again

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. How is that not continuous release? Clearly this is an overpowered ability you overlooked.

Once again, you fail to mention or take into account the bones sprouting from the ground at their location. Stop acting like you don't see those points, because you definitely do. Next time you leave them out I'll take it as a concession.

 

[Curse Mark]

1. Wot? I have told you an infinite amount of times that Kimimaro is too fast for them. Them catching someone hundreds of times slower then him=/=them catching him.
2. Point? Their inexperience was the reason they got caught in vulnerable positions. Kimimaro's method of dodging Gaara's sand showed that he's more then capable of getting around it without putting himself in jeopardy.
3. Which one? Link me, because right now I have no idea what you're talking about.
4. ??? Throws with his left hand

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, and now throws with his left hand again

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. How is that not continuous release? Clearly this is an overpowered ability you overlooked.

Once again, you fail to mention or take into account the bones sprouting from the ground at their location. Stop acting like you don't see those points, because you definitely do. Next time you leave them out I'll take it as a concession.

1. Kimimaro can't avoid all the webs that are shot at him. He just doesn't have the feats. I provided many different types of webs that he could get caught in. Counter each of those types with some specific feats/scans and then we can talk about him dodging the webs.
2.Point is his feet get tangled before he knows it.

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3.Jirobo using hiding like a mole.

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4. By continuous I thought you meant like continuously as in non-stop, not twice.
5. I actually missed that on the last post, that's why I didn't number it.
I honestly belive Kimimaro won't get the chance to use them as he'll be on the toes dodging webs and attacks from the get-go.

 

[Sasuke Ameno]

Kimimaro

 

[Lord Tywin]

1. Kimimaro can't avoid all the webs that are shot at him. He just doesn't have the feats. I provided many different types of webs that he could get caught in. Counter each of those types with some specific feats/scans and then we can talk about him dodging the webs.
2.Point is his feet get tangled before he knows it.

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3.Jirobo using hiding like a mole.

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4. By continuous I thought you meant like continuously as in non-stop, not twice.
5. I actually missed that on the last post, that's why I didn't number it.
I honestly belive Kimimaro won't get the chance to use them as he'll be on the toes dodging webs and attacks from the get-go.

Even if Webs catch him, bone forest renders it useless. The moment Kimi is caught, he'd activate CM2, and escapes with bone forest.

 

[Curse Mark]

Even if Webs catch him, bone forest renders it useless. The moment Kimi is caught, he'd activate CM2, and escapes with bone forest.

You missed the earlier arguments. He gets spun into a cocoon in one panel. Once he's in there he's completely encased. And from there he cannot touch the ground to use bone forest.

 

[Lord Tywin]

You missed the earlier arguments. He gets spun into a cocoon in one panel. Once he's in there he's completely encased. And from there he cannot touch the ground to use bone forest.

who's to say Kimi can't use bone forest before he's completely covered in webs?