Kimimaro vs Lee

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Because Hirudora gone through this:
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It was still a tech which applies great amount of force; Hirudora overcame that force and then; Kisame was not even be able to move.



Character's opinion and observation. There are many character opinions which had been proven wrong. (Ex: Konan: "Pain is invincible")

Btw; how this became a Gai vs Kimi thread?

Konan's statement was never disproved. Pain solo'd konoha, then naruto(with deva incapacitated) at start. Pain could have killed naruto numerous times but decided to suicide. So, konan's stating is still very much fact.

Kisame didn't have a layer of bone that was harder than chakra infused steel. Don't forget that.
 

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Konan's statement was never disproved. Pain solo'd konoha, then naruto(with deva incapacitated) at start. Pain could have killed naruto numerous times but decided to suicide. So, konan's stating is still very much fact.

Kisame didn't have a layer of bone that was harder than chakra infused steel. Don't forget that.
One way another; 6 paths of Pain get defeated; he could have killed; but he could not. That's the thing.
(Another ex: Gaara's defense can not be gotten through; it had been)

Kisame had a jutsu which had a great force application towards to opponent. Hirudora got through it; then immobilized Kisame.

I won't respond further; because this is not a Gai vs Kimimaro thread; we are going off the topic.
 

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Nagato killed himself, no one defeated him.
 

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One way another; 6 paths of Pain get defeated; he could have killed; but he could not. That's the thing.
(Another ex: Gaara's defense can not be gotten through; it had been)

Kisame had a jutsu which had a great force application towards to opponent. Hirudora got through it; then immobilized Kisame.

I won't respond further; because this is not a Gai vs Kimimaro thread; we are going off the topic.

What? Naga to could have easily taken naruto's soul instead of giving the villagers theirs...

Anyway I'm done here too. It seems it's agreed kimi would beat Lee. The thread's going off topic
 

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Kimmi will always win. Id even say he can take Might Guy on.

lmao, this guy.

U srs bro? Gai's Hirudora kills 5 kimimaros at the same time.
 

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Damn im late to the party. Anyways, I believe me and draegod has debated this before and my argument was that lees punches are capable of knocking him around silky at high speed, meaning that due to the inertial forces and momentum, Kimmimaro's INTERNAL ORGANS WILL BE SMACKED ARONUND TOO. He cant defend himself against that.

I even think his bones are still breakable since they can be made to be as strong as tempered steel (which is actually just the maximum density of human bones anyways) so its nothing superhuman and NOT unbreakable, and remember, Lee is an expert in breaking bones. Kimmmi's bones just happen to always be at peak human strength since he can control its density at will.
 

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Ehh. This is a hard thing to judge. A sick Kimimaro was capable of handling Lee when he just got out of surgery, both were handicapped. Though, Kimimaro obviously had the harder handicap. But regardless, Lee was a formidable foe, especially when he entered the "Drunken Fist" taijutsu stance/mode(?). He pushed Kimimaro enough to use the start of his curse mark v1.


A healthy Kimimaro vs a Current Lee. . SO far, we haven't seen Lee improve at all over Shippuden because. . Of lack of screen time. I'd have to give it to Kimimaro, high diff. Kimimaro's bones can arguably withstand and last against Lee's blows. They were able to go toe to toe with the Samurai's chakra enhanced blades and not give. I also recall them tearing through average shuriken.

Kimimaro's going to have to use the Version 2 curse mark to get the edge, a slight edge. I feel. He will, in the end, resort to using the Dance of the Seedling Fern to win. With that, speed is no longer a factor. He is capable of "merging" with the bones and traveling through them. He will be able to out menouver and land a fatal hit on Lee with this ability.
 

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Damn im late to the party. Anyways, I believe me and draegod has debated this before and my argument was that lees punches are capable of knocking him around silky at high speed, meaning that due to the inertial forces and momentum, Kimmimaro's INTERNAL ORGANS WILL BE SMACKED ARONUND TOO. He cant defend himself against that.

I even think his bones are still breakable since they can be made to be as strong as tempered steel (which is actually just the maximum density of human bones anyways) so its nothing superhuman and NOT unbreakable, and remember, Lee is an expert in breaking bones. Kimmmi's bones just happen to always be at peak human strength since he can control its density at will.

I disagree on almost everything you listed.

Kimmis bone is not compared to any ninja or human ever shown! His bones do not break like normal humans (i.g. any ninja with out his KKG). Chakra infused blades literally did nothing!

You seem to think Gai/lee gates would land, but forget kimmi can put bones from any part sticking out, so unless they wants to be bloody, they would die tring to harm him!

He heals everything, his healing is unmatched since its apart of his KGG (only tsunade and hashi compare). It is manga fact his skeletal frame cannot be penetrated and its fact that it has yet to be penetrated! So to assume with no proof is meaningless since A) it was stated as fact, not rumor, legend B) It survived every thing ever shown to have a chance to crush/break him. Gaaras sand kills any average ninja body instantly! Literally blood and crushed bones is all thats left! Unless your a ninja with spl powers (susanoo, tsunade, aye, 3rd raikage, izanagi, s/t etc etc) you die from sand Coffin! because no regular human (which is about 99.8% of every ninja ever shown in the NV) can survive that pressure.

And in real life/manga organs dont move out of place if the body moves. lol No human is a glass of pickles. That logic is false in real life and in fake life bro.

Kiimi wins negative difficulty no challenge!
 

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I disagree on almost everything you listed.

Kimmis bone is not compared to any ninja or human ever shown! His bones do not break like normal humans (i.g. any ninja with out his KKG). Chakra infused blades literally did nothing!

You seem to think Gai/lee gates would land, but forget kimmi can put bones from any part sticking out, so unless they wants to be bloody, they would die tring to harm him!

He heals everything, his healing is unmatched since its apart of his KGG (only tsunade and hashi compare). It is manga fact his skeletal frame cannot be penetrated and its fact that it has yet to be penetrated! So to assume with no proof is meaningless since A) it was stated as fact, not rumor, legend B) It survived every thing ever shown to have a chance to crush/break him. Gaaras sand kills any average ninja body instantly! Literally blood and crushed bones is all thats left! Unless your a ninja with spl powers (susanoo, tsunade, aye, 3rd raikage, izanagi, s/t etc etc) you die from sand Coffin! because no regular human (which is about 99.8% of every ninja ever shown in the NV) can survive that pressure.

And in real life/manga organs dont move out of place if the body moves. lol No human is a glass of pickles. That logic is false in real life and in fake life bro.

Kiimi wins negative difficulty no challenge!

Which is why I said we had a long debate about his earlier....

Anyways, it cant be compared because he can control its hardness and its growth, HOWEVER, its limits have been mentioned, which is his ability to make it as hard as tempered steel, which is as hard as human bones are capable of being. Its nothing super fancy or ridiculous like being as hard and virtually indestructible as wolverines adamantium bones, but its still very hard.

Chakra blades are still blades but enhancesd with chakra so that they have an extended reach and to attack form a distance. It doesn't strengthen nor sharpen the blades cutting ability like infusing a weapon with Raiton chakra.

Guy/Lee are not all about just striking, but they can use Kimmimaro's body to throw him about, and that's even if Kimmimaro is capable of even seeing where they are going to attack.

He has only healed flesh wounds. He has not shown any ability to heal any injury to any organs like Tsunade can.

Gaaara's sand invokes a crushing/pressure force, which bones have a certain amount of resistance to as shown when he was able to tank almost all, but the last pressure based attacks. Not to mention, Kimmimaro has placed bone under his skin to protect hiself from these pressure attack which no ordinary ninja can do, so that point is moot. Bones however do NOT absorb impact at all. If anything, its just transfers the impact to anything that is directly in contact with it.

You have OBVIOUSLY never seen the video footage of a high speed car crash or the result of a person falling off of a high story building have you? Organs have been displaced before when the person is traveling at high speeds and suddenly stops. The difference here is that Kimmimaro would be knocked around MULTIPLE times at high speed. Bones may not be fragile, but organs are. If knocked around enough, they can be seriously damaged. Especially if they are just trapped within the confines of bones which are not capable of in ANY way of cushioning the body from impact.

Its basics Physics 101:

An object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by another force

AND

In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant

In simple terminology, Kimmimaros body will keep moving until something else acts against it(like a fist or colliding with the ground) and when it does, the momentum within of Kimmimaro's body is always constant, in that anything inside him that is not COMPLETELY attached so that it is unmovable, WILL move including including organs, because last time I checked, without skin, muscles, and bones in place (which NONE of the organs are attached to), our organs would just spill out of our bodies.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^That right there is real life. No ifs, ands, buts or disputing it because these are LAWS of nature.

No gates, Kimmi wins high diff. Gates? Kimmi is trashed.
 

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Which is why I said we had a long debate about his earlier....

Anyways, it cant be compared because he can control its hardness and its growth, HOWEVER, its limits have been mentioned, which is his ability to make it as hard as tempered steel, which is as hard as human bones are capable of being. Its nothing super fancy or ridiculous like being as hard and virtually indestructible as wolverines adamantium bones, but its still very hard.

Chakra blades are still blades but enhancesd with chakra so that they have an extended reach and to attack form a distance. It doesn't strengthen nor sharpen the blades cutting ability like infusing a weapon with Raiton chakra.

Guy/Lee are not all about just striking, but they can use Kimmimaro's body to throw him about, and that's even if Kimmimaro is capable of even seeing where they are going to attack.

He has only healed flesh wounds. He has not shown any ability to heal any injury to any organs like Tsunade can.

Gaaara's sand invokes a crushing/pressure force, which bones have a certain amount of resistance to as shown when he was able to tank almost all, but the last pressure based attacks. Not to mention, Kimmimaro has placed bone under his skin to protect hiself from these pressure attack which no ordinary ninja can do, so that point is moot. Bones however do NOT absorb impact at all. If anything, its just transfers the impact to anything that is directly in contact with it.

You have OBVIOUSLY never seen the video footage of a high speed car crash or the result of a person falling off of a high story building have you? Organs have been displaced before when the person is traveling at high speeds and suddenly stops. The difference here is that Kimmimaro would be knocked around MULTIPLE times at high speed. Bones may not be fragile, but organs are. If knocked around enough, they can be seriously damaged. Especially if they are just trapped within the confines of bones which are not capable of in ANY way of cushioning the body from impact.

Its basics Physics 101:

An object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by another force

AND

In a closed system (one that does not exchange any matter with the outside and is not acted on by outside forces) the total momentum is constant

In simple terminology, Kimmimaros body will keep moving until something else acts against it(like a fist or colliding with the ground) and when it does, the momentum within of Kimmimaro's body is always constant, in that anything inside him that is not COMPLETELY attached so that it is unmovable, WILL move including including organs, because last time I checked, without skin, muscles, and bones in place (which NONE of the organs are attached to), our organs would just spill out of our bodies.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^That right there is real life. No ifs, ands, buts or disputing it because these are LAWS of nature.

No gates, Kimmi wins high diff. Gates? Kimmi is trashed.

Lol bro... This is no competition! Lee loses every time!

Kimmi has the ability to make his calcium protect any part of his body correct? That layer of Bones under his skin comes out of no where correct? Let me break it down even further.

if you have a pure metal hollo cube (unbreakable) and fill it with... Lets say steaks! Perfectly full of steaks and water/juice/blood perfectly full! You then shoot the cube with tank shells, bullets, bomb it multiple time, throw it every where... You then open the cube (not damaged out side) the steak would not be destroyed! Why? Because it was perfectly in place!

We as humans have muscles and nerves all over our body to keep things in place around the bone/skeleton! When we are in motion and stop instantly, does the heart, lungs or brain stay in motion? Or does it stay in tact with our momentum PERFECTLY IN PLACE?

Another example is:

If you were on a roof (15 stories up),
You jump off,
you constantly build speed while falling,
you grab on to something (or use a rope to grab something),
your body instant stop!
Does your organs inside your body move out of place?....
Does your organs get damage from falling 200+ mph and instantly stop?
No!
Why?
because the muscles in your body kept everything in place around your skeletal frame!

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Nothing gets out of place unless physical put out of place (as in a knife carving something out, a bullet/bomb putting something out of place etc etc)

Your logic isnt real. When in a roloer coaster does our organs move out of place?

When in a car accident at 150 mph with a seat belt, if you survive does your organs move out of place (assuming, the car isnt crushed to crush their organs ofc)?

the answer is no!

Our body muscles are designed to keep everything in place! Fact!

If you cannot destroy kimis defense (which you cannot), you cannot destroy his organs!

Then you state kimi win high against no gates lee? When he already with a dead body raped/played with lee!

Kimmis body will not be broken by anything displayed by lee/guy! It is almost perfect!

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Nothing is left! only blood! But Kimmi easily no difficulty tanked it!

Rock lee with gates was indeed faster then gaara sand, but could not destroy it!

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Then lets go to gates lee:

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according to your logic; gaaras organs should have been damaged or knocked out of place correct? But why did he take all that damage in the air bro? Because everything was in place and nothing was broken under gaaras sand armour! Same concept but beyond gaaras sand armor! If you cannot destroy his skeletal frame, you cannot destroy his organs!


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The samurais blades were "the same as sasukes" and destroyed the pillar behind him like paper!

Yet it couldnt destroy regular kimmis bones.

You have no way of killing kimmi, he feels no pain, never tires (he used pure will power to work a dead body!), etc etc

Lee/gai will never land a punch when he can spam this:

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I know lee/Gai like the back of my hand, and they cannot kill him with the feats shown so far.

Fun fact:
Lee cannot stay in gates long


I think ive made my case.
 

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Lol bro... This is no competition! Lee loses every time!

Kimmi has the ability to make his calcium protect any part of his body correct? That layer of Bones under his skin comes out of no where correct? Let me break it down even further.

if you have a pure metal hollo cube (unbreakable) and fill it with... Lets say steaks! Perfectly full of steaks and water/juice/blood perfectly full! You then shoot the cube with tank shells, bullets, bomb it multiple time, throw it every where... You then open the cube (not damaged out side) the steak would not be destroyed! Why? Because it was perfectly in place!

We as humans have muscles and nerves all over our body to keep things in place around the bone/skeleton! When we are in motion and stop instantly, does the heart, lungs or brain stay in motion? Or does it stay in tact with our momentum PERFECTLY IN PLACE?

Another example is:

If you were on a roof (15 stories up),
You jump off,
you constantly build speed while falling,
you grab on to something (or use a rope to grab something),
your body instant stop!
Does your organs inside your body move out of place?....
Does your organs get damage from falling 200+ mph and instantly stop?
No!
Why?
because the muscles in your body kept everything in place around your skeletal frame!

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Nothing gets out of place unless physical put out of place (as in a knife carving something out, a bullet/bomb putting something out of place etc etc)

Your logic isnt real. When in a roloer coaster does our organs move out of place?

When in a car accident at 150 mph with a seat belt, if you survive does your organs move out of place (assuming, the car isnt crushed to crush their organs ofc)?

the answer is no!

Our body muscles are designed to keep everything in place! Fact!

If you cannot destroy kimis defense (which you cannot), you cannot destroy his organs!

Then you state kimi win high against no gates lee? When he already with a dead body raped/played with lee!

Kimmis body will not be broken by anything displayed by lee/guy! It is almost perfect!

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Nothing is left! only blood! But Kimmi easily no difficulty tanked it!

Rock lee with gates was indeed faster then gaara sand, but could not destroy it!

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Then lets go to gates lee:

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according to your logic; gaaras organs should have been damaged or knocked out of place correct? But why did he take all that damage in the air bro? Because everything was in place and nothing was broken under gaaras sand armour! Same concept but beyond gaaras sand armor! If you cannot destroy his skeletal frame, you cannot destroy his organs!


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The samurais blades were "the same as sasukes" and destroyed the pillar behind him like paper!

Yet it couldnt destroy regular kimmis bones.

You have no way of killing kimmi, he feels no pain, never tires (he used pure will power to work a dead body!), etc etc

Lee/gai will never land a punch when he can spam this:

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I know lee/Gai like the back of my hand, and they cannot kill him with the feats shown so far.

Fun fact:
Lee cannot stay in gates long


I think ive made my case.

You make it seem like he's invincible to all damage, when there is no such thing. His invincibility stems from the use of his bones and his ability to regenerate flesh. It doesn't apply to his organs.

You are comparing steak(which is just muscle/tendons) to organs, which is not even remotely comparable. Muscles are meant to take and absorb all forces both generated by us and acted upon us, unlike bones which only can withstand a certain amount of pressure, and organs that can't withstand anything but a slight amount of stretching. When we are in motion and stop suddenly, the brain actually does stay in motion because its just suspended in a small amount of fluid covered and has a little room to move inside the skull, and sudden jerking movements in the head is what causes concussions. The heart and lungs are held in place by the slightly flexible ribcage and sternum followed by the pectoral muscles, so it has a certain amount of protection against impacting/blunt forces. Everything else is literally open with only a thin layer of abdominal muscles and skin holding it in place and protecting it.

Your example is flawed because the muscles in the body, specifically the arm and shoulders, would be taking and trying to absorb almost all of the force if that were to happen, which is why people can survive a fall if they can grab onto something, provided if their arm isn't torn off from extreme torque placed upon the arm itself. The organs may keep moving just bit, but not as much as if the muscles weren't there to absorb some of the impact. And, yes, internal organs WILL be damaged after falling at 200+ miles an hour and suddenly stopping. The human muscles and even the bones are not made to withstand such amounts of force and therefore, the person would instantly be squashed as a result.

As an answer to all of your scenarios, the organs do not move around so long as the force acted upon the area is not too strong for the muscles to absorb. If you get punched in the gut, your organs might not get pushed around; maybe bent a bit but not actually moved out of place, because the muscles in the gut are able to withstand the impact from that kind of force. If you get hit full force with a metal baseball bat? Your gonna need surgery to patch up those busted organs because the muscles cannot withstand that amount of force.

About the Gaara vs Lee situation, sand is able to absorb impact just like the muscles can, which is why Gaara was able to survive such an onslaught. In fact, they actually mentioned that the sand from was his gourd was used to absorb the final impact. Even then, Gaara still felt something because he couldn't get up for a some time after being beaten almost senseless. Another example was the time during the Lee vs 3 Sound ninja. He was doing the initial lotus on one of them, but the other had to soften the ground in order to cushion his fall(OR ABSORB THE IMPACT) or else he would have died right there from a broken neck(because the neck muscle are not capable of withstanding that kind of force, so the force would be transferred to the connected bones, which cannot withstand any sort of impact damage and would therefore break)

BTW the samurai's chakra blades were SIMILAR to Sasuke's only because they had chakra flowing through them. The chakra only went in that deep because it was THROWN at Sasuke, giving it power through the speed it was moving to create some fairly deep but rugged cuts into the pillar. If it was lighting chakra it would have gone all the way through and left clean marks. By itself, its just a blade with a coating of chakra meant to extend its reach.

In other words, without some kind of defense to absorb impact damage or negate it completely, Lee can practically kill anyone while in gates mode, including Kimmimaro regardless of his bones which can only transfer the impact force to his innards.
 

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You make it seem like he's invincible to all damage, when there is no such thing. His invincibility stems from the use of his bones and his ability to regenerate flesh. It doesn't apply to his organs.

You are comparing steak(which is just muscle/tendons) to organs, which is not even remotely comparable. Muscles are meant to take and absorb all forces both generated by us and acted upon us, unlike bones which only can withstand a certain amount of pressure, and organs that can't withstand anything but a slight amount of stretching. When we are in motion and stop suddenly, the brain actually does stay in motion because its just suspended in a small amount of fluid covered and has a little room to move inside the skull, and sudden jerking movements in the head is what causes concussions. The heart and lungs are held in place by the slightly flexible ribcage and sternum followed by the pectoral muscles, so it has a certain amount of protection against impacting/blunt forces. Everything else is literally open with only a thin layer of abdominal muscles and skin holding it in place and protecting it.

Your example is flawed because the muscles in the body, specifically the arm and shoulders, would be taking and trying to absorb almost all of the force if that were to happen, which is why people can survive a fall if they can grab onto something, provided if their arm isn't torn off from extreme torque placed upon the arm itself. The organs may keep moving just bit, but not as much as if the muscles weren't there to absorb some of the impact. And, yes, internal organs WILL be damaged after falling at 200+ miles an hour and suddenly stopping. The human muscles and even the bones are not made to withstand such amounts of force and therefore, the person would instantly be squashed as a result.

As an answer to all of your scenarios, the organs do not move around so long as the force acted upon the area is not too strong for the muscles to absorb. If you get punched in the gut, your organs might not get pushed around; maybe bent a bit but not actually moved out of place, because the muscles in the gut are able to withstand the impact from that kind of force. If you get hit full force with a metal baseball bat? Your gonna need surgery to patch up those busted organs because the muscles cannot withstand that amount of force.

About the Gaara vs Lee situation, sand is able to absorb impact just like the muscles can, which is why Gaara was able to survive such an onslaught. In fact, they actually mentioned that the sand from was his gourd was used to absorb the final impact. Even then, Gaara still felt something because he couldn't get up for a some time after being beaten almost senseless. Another example was the time during the Lee vs 3 Sound ninja. He was doing the initial lotus on one of them, but the other had to soften the ground in order to cushion his fall(OR ABSORB THE IMPACT) or else he would have died right there from a broken neck(because the neck muscle are not capable of withstanding that kind of force, so the force would be transferred to the connected bones, which cannot withstand any sort of impact damage and would therefore break)

BTW the samurai's chakra blades were SIMILAR to Sasuke's only because they had chakra flowing through them. The chakra only went in that deep because it was THROWN at Sasuke, giving it power through the speed it was moving to create some fairly deep but rugged cuts into the pillar. If it was lighting chakra it would have gone all the way through and left clean marks. By itself, its just a blade with a coating of chakra meant to extend its reach.

In other words, without some kind of defense to absorb impact damage or negate it completely, Lee can practically kill anyone while in gates mode, including Kimmimaro regardless of his bones which can only transfer the impact force to his innards.

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Flawed logic! How could gaara survive (combo, hits) but not kimmi?

Just like gaara dying? Or organs being harmed like you think????? This scan alone literally disproves your entire post! You seem to not wanna change your mind so lets just agree to disagree even though that one scan disproves your logic..
 

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Flawed logic! How could gaara survive (combo, hits) but not kimmi?

Just like gaara dying? Or organs being harmed like you think????? This scan alone literally disproves your entire post! You seem to not wanna change your mind so lets just agree to disagree even though that one scan disproves your logic..

Its not flawed because sand can absorb damage unlike bone, which is hard and can only can only transfer the impact force of the blows since its obvious that his muscles cannot withstand the force of gated attacks.

The next few scans prove that gaara would not have survived the last blow or would have suffered serious damage and proves that only he could survive it because of his ability to absorb blows.

In fact, every single time someone survived a gates tech, it was because the blows were cushioned, otherwise the person was out of commission.

EX:
Sound ninja vs Lee - An ally sound ninja softened the earth so that his head was cushioned on the way down.

Gaara vs Lee - Gaaras sand absorbed most of the damage.

Guy vs Kisame(last battle) - The water was able to cushion kisame from the full force.

I would love to agree to disagree, but you just don't seem to understand how forces work through bone. Because of its composition, bones carries force through it, meaning if he tries to defend himself with bone that its not gonna protect him from the blows. With his bone defense meaningless, its all up to his muscles to protect him, which it wont because of the power of gated attacks, meaning that Kimmimaro is just about as vulnerable as anyone else.

BTW what I'm saying is not just logic, but a part of the natural laws of physics.
 

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Its not flawed because sand can absorb damage unlike bone, which is hard and can only can only transfer the impact force of the blows since its obvious that his muscles cannot withstand the force of gated attacks.

The next few scans prove that gaara would not have survived the last blow or would have suffered serious damage and proves that only he could survive it because of his ability to absorb blows.

In fact, every single time someone survived a gates tech, it was because the blows were cushioned, otherwise the person was out of commission.

EX:
Sound ninja vs Lee - An ally sound ninja softened the earth so that his head was cushioned on the way down.

Gaara vs Lee - Gaaras sand absorbed most of the damage.

Guy vs Kisame(last battle) - The water was able to cushion kisame from the full force.

I would love to agree to disagree, but you just don't seem to understand how forces work through bone. Because of its composition, bones carries force through it, meaning if he tries to defend himself with bone that its not gonna protect him from the blows. With his bone defense meaningless, its all up to his muscles to protect him, which it wont because of the power of gated attacks, meaning that Kimmimaro is just about as vulnerable as anyone else.

BTW what I'm saying is not just logic, but a part of the natural laws of physics.

I read all other posts but this so forgive me if I say something stupid in regards to this post:

Gases should have gotten a concussion, I've always found that flawed. He was knocked back and forth. His sand can't stop the brain moving. What I'm saying is, IRL a concussion is possible, but with kishi logic it isn't so I don't think that should be argued.
Lastly I'm not a doctor, but the really vital organs are tightly packed in the abdomen. I think you should provide links to confirm otherwise because as far as I know, only the brain is really suspended while kidneys, stomach, intestines, heart, lungs all are packed together with minimal space for movement.
 

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I read all other posts but this so forgive me if I say something stupid in regards to this post:

Gases should have gotten a concussion, I've always found that flawed. He was knocked back and forth. His sand can't stop the brain moving. What I'm saying is, IRL a concussion is possible, but with kishi logic it isn't so I don't think that should be argued.
Lastly I'm not a doctor, but the really vital organs are tightly packed in the abdomen. I think you should provide links to confirm otherwise because as far as I know, only the brain is really suspended while kidneys, stomach, intestines, heart, lungs all are packed together with minimal space for movement.

Gaaras sand shield was able to absorb most of the impacts which is why he didn't seem to receive much damage at all. We don't know exactly how much internal damage have had gotten, but we do know that for a little while he was unable to move and only laid in the midst of his sand from his gourd. It might have been a concussion for all we know, but it might not have been since kishi didn't explain in detail.

The most vital organs are packed tightly in there, but there are other organs that you need to live that are not protected by the ribs, and even the ones packed in there will feel something (imagine being hit full force in the chest and abdominal areas by a professional baseball player with a metal baseball bat many times over again at high speed without moving at all if you want a visual reference I guess :\) Something will eventually burst or break from the high speed velocity and impact of the lotus.
 

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Gaaras sand shield was able to absorb most of the impacts which is why he didn't seem to receive much damage at all. We don't know exactly how much internal damage have had gotten, but we do know that for a little while he was unable to move and only laid in the midst of his sand from his gourd. It might have been a concussion for all we know, but it might not have been since kishi didn't explain in detail.

The most vital organs are packed tightly in there, but there are other organs that you need to live that are not protected by the ribs, and even the ones packed in there will feel something (imagine being hit full force in the chest and abdominal areas by a professional baseball player with a metal baseball bat many times over again at high speed without moving at all if you want a visual reference I guess :\) Something will eventually burst or break from the high speed velocity and impact of the lotus.

kimi can make his bone appear ON his skin the same as sand armour. He can make much more than 200 bones,so his skeletal frame wont be affected.
 

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kimi can make his bone appear ON his skin the same as sand armour. He can make much more than 200 bones,so his skeletal frame wont be affected.

If you read the entire argument, you would know that bone does not absorb impact forces like sand can. This is exactly what most of my argument was made for. In fact, the bones will just carry the force straight to anything else that its touching. Its not his skeletal frame we are talking about, but his internal organs, which are vulnerable to impact forces.

Because bones are not made to withstand impact forces (that's what the muscles are for) they will either break or carry the force through to anything that is touching it according to the law conservation of momentum.
 

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Now people are saying Gai can't kill Kimimaro.

Ridiculous.
 

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Gaaras sand shield was able to absorb most of the impacts which is why he didn't seem to receive much damage at all. We don't know exactly how much internal damage have had gotten, but we do know that for a little while he was unable to move and only laid in the midst of his sand from his gourd. It might have been a concussion for all we know, but it might not have been since kishi didn't explain in detail.

The most vital organs are packed tightly in there, but there are other organs that you need to live that are not protected by the ribs, and even the ones packed in there will feel something (imagine being hit full force in the chest and abdominal areas by a professional baseball player with a metal baseball bat many times over again at high speed without moving at all if you want a visual reference I guess :\) Something will eventually burst or break from the high speed velocity and impact of the lotus.

I've experienced beyond 1g and rapid deceleration.

Anyway, kimi bone isn't conventional bone. His bone armor may not even be attached to anything for all we know. The way his bone works isn't the same as humans so other than breaking it, kimi won't feel anything from a hit to the solar plexus. I'd feel something because there's no bone there and there's gaps between my ribs so they can be broken, but he basically has a skull over his entire body. His internals won't feel any force impact, only after shock from high-speed motion. If high speed couldn't kill gaara, it won't kill kimi. Kimi will recover like gases did and finish exhausted Lee off.

And that's assuming kimi doesn't simply create a spike pit to impale Lee, or cushion the blows like he did with 1 gate Lee.
 
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