[Theory] Kimimaro & Juugo ~ Long Lost Lineage

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Kimimaro originates from Kaguya, while Juugo originates from a clan of humans that were influenced by the Natural chakra of The Juubi during its rampage. Explains why Kimimaro was able to calm down Juugo with ease and without fighting him directly.



Chapter 684 showed us that Kaguya is indeed able to use Shikotsumyaku at will, and we all know that it was already theorized that Kaguya and Kimimaro was directly related somehow. This is more or less a small confirmation and makes this theory a whole lot more likely. Shikotsumyaku is a Kekkai Genkai which has nothing to do with chakra, it has only something to do with the user's body. It requires no hand seals and it is not a mix of any of the five releases.

She is the predecessor of chakra and Black Zetsu holds knowledge of almost every single jutsu in the world. However, she wouldn't be able to use Shikotsumyaku unless she had the unique body to use it. Kabuto stated that those who hold the Shikotsumyaku Kekkai Genkai has a very unique body and that is why no medication would really work on Kimimaro as it was unknown what they would have done to his body. We can see by just looking at Kaguya that her body is special in the way that she has horn which looks like pure bone growing out of her skull.

The very fact that she was able to preform Shikotsumyaku means that she has the unique body structure to use it. Which is rare, even within the Kaguya Clan. This means that not every single member of the Kaguya Clan was able to preform Shikotsumyaku as they lacked the bodies to do it. This means that Kimimaro and Kaguya are most likely connected in some way or another, however how they are connected still remains a mystery. It may be that Kaguya originally reincarnated or possessed a weaker vessel in the past and created the Kaguya Clan under her name. Which may mean that every member who posses Shikotsumyaku may be directly connected to the founder of the Kaguya clan who was a reincarnation of Kaguya. However, it may also be as simple as that Hamura had a child who gained Shikotsumyaku. (There are other possibilities as well. But the fact that people are saying that she can copy any jutsu is invalid, as Shikotsumyaku requires a specific body to be used.)



Juugo was stated to go into berserk mode whenever he overflew with Nature Chakra which he naturally collected while moving around. (Which in itself is amazing.) It was also stated that the Juubi was a mass of Nature Chakra contained within a vessel. So far, the Juubi has only ever existed twice and once before the creation of Juugo's clan. (Most likely.) Now there are two possible ways that the Juubi could have affected this clan.

The first being that the Juubi simple spread so much Nature Chakra around that it affected the clan of Juugo, though I find this a little unlikely as that would mean that more clans would be like this. No, I think that the most likely case is the second possible theory. I believe that the original clan of Juugo were a group of people who worshipped the Juubi as a God and when it was gone or maybe even before it was gone from the world, they consume some of its flesh. (Most likely after it tearing it off like it did to avoid Sasuke's Amaterasu.)

After consuming the meat of the Juubi, they bodies changed in order to collect Nature Chakra like the Juubi had done in the past. However they were unable to control it and as a result they lost control and went crazy, becoming a cursed clan. They obtained the Natural instincts of the Juubi by consuming its flesh, the instinct of going out of control and destroying everything in its path.



Kimimaro alone with Sasuke was the only person to ever be able to control Juugo's natural instincts. However, Sasuke was able to do this because Juugo views him as Kimimaro's re-birth. However, Kimimaro was able to do this naturally. I believe that he was able to do this because of his connection to Kaguya and her connection to the Juubi. My other theory stated that Black Zetsu may infact have been the original Juubi using Kaguya's powers to fulfil her will. (As he couldn't get herself to kill her sons.) If this is the case then we can view Kimimaro as Kaguya and Juugo as Black Zetsu, we know that Black Zetsu cares for Kaguya and would do anything for her. In the same manner that Juugo cared for Kimimaro and would do anything for him.

This may be why Kimimaro was able to calm down Juugo who carries the natural instincts of the Juubi while Kimimaro carries the natural body of Kaguya. Like a pet and its master, or a mother and her "son". Another thing is that Black Zetsu's eyes are yellow, while Juugo's eyes turn yellow when he goes berserk. While Kimimaro the same marking as Kaguya. (The red dots.)

 

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You may not. Other may have.


I may find the normal font and text annoying, others may not. I may find a signature annoying, others may not. (The other way around as well.) All in all, if its too small to read and they are really interested in reading it, then they can just zoom in.

 

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I think Juugo's clan is the Ootsuki clan


There never was a clan named that, it was a family name. (As in, before clans where formed.) Not to mention that it has been no mention of Kaguya or any other Otsutsuki being able to gather Naturre Chakra like Juugo does.

 

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"Nope. There are over 30 different notations for the name Kaguya in the Japanese language. And the Kekkai Genkai doesn't prove anything anymore. Kaguya could use many different Kekkai Genkai so far, even Hyōton and Madara could use Ranton due to Jūbis power while having no connection to Kumogakure".

It makes far more sense if the Shinju isn't just the ancestor of chakra, but of Kekkai Genkai as well. And a Kekkai Genkai has to do with chakra.


That's it.
 
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There never was a clan named that, it was a family name. (As in, before clans where formed.) Not to mention that it has been no mention of Kaguya or any other Otsutsuki being able to gather Naturre Chakra like Juugo does.

My bad I meant Hagoromo clan...
 

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"Nope. There are over 30 different notations for the name Kaguya in the Japanese language. And the Kekkai Genkai doesn't prove anything anymore. Kaguya could use many different Kekkai Genkai so far, even Hyōton and Madara could use Ranton due to Jūbis power while having no connection to Kumogakure".

It makes far more sense if the Shinju isn't just the ancestor of chakra, but of Kekkai Genkai as well. And a Kekkai Genkai has to do with chakra.


That's it.


Kaguya in the original tale was read as; "Radiant Light" as in the original meaning of it in the story which the character Kaguya is based of. The Shinju has already been stated to be a form of the Juubi, and a living creature of its own by several other people. A Kekkai Genkai cannot be a living thing, then its just another creature. Kaguya never used Ice Release, she changed dimensions, it was teleportation, not a release. Madara also never used Storm Release, he used; Sage Art: Yin Release Lightning Dispatch which is a Yin Release based Jutsu.

Some Kekkai Genkai are connected to nature releases, some are not.

 

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Kaguya in the original tale was read as; "Radiant Light" as in the original meaning of it in the story which the character Kaguya is based of. The Shinju has already been stated to be a form of the Juubi, and a living creature of its own by several other people. A Kekkai Genkai cannot be a living thing, then its just another creature. Kaguya never used Ice Release, she changed dimensions, it was teleportation, not a release. Madara also never used Storm Release, he used; Sage Art: Yin Release Lightning Dispatch which is a Yin Release based Jutsu.

Some Kekkai Genkai are connected to nature releases, some are not.


The Shintoism background is almost redundant in this context. The Jūbi is the remaing power of Shinju and also Kaguyas will. According to Kurama it's like the energy which is circulating on this planet. Of course an entity like that could be an host for a Kekkai Genkai. Kaguya is the living prove for that statement, lol.
Madara used Ranton too...





/thread. ^^

Edit: Inton Raiha doesn't base only on Inton, but on Raiton as well.
 
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The Shintoism background is almost redundant in this context. The Jūbi is the remaing power of Shinju and also Kaguyas will. According to Kurama it's like the energy which is circulating on this planet. Of course an entity like that could be an host for a Kekkai Genkai. Kaguya is the living prove for that statement, lol.
Madara used Ranton too...



/thread. ^^


That is first of all, a special jutsu. The jutsu reads; Sage Art: Storm Release Lightning Fang. It is enhanced by the Senjutsu of the Juubi. Beyond that, it originated from his mouth unlike the normal which originates from the hands. This is also a Kekkai Genkai that originates from Nature Releases of Water and Lightning, meaning it is not a body related Kekkai Genkai such as the Shikotsumyaku which Kaguya used. Furthermore, it is a Kekkai Genkai which very many Shinobi can use, meaning that it is most likely something that can be taught such as the Dust Release meaning that Madara may have known it prior to becoming a Jin.

(He just enhanced it with Senjutsu.)

 

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That is first of all, a special jutsu. The jutsu reads; Sage Art: Storm Release Lightning Fang. It is enhanced by the Senjutsu of the Juubi. Beyond that, it originated from his mouth unlike the normal which originates from the hands. This is also a Kekkai Genkai that originates from Nature Releases of Water and Lightning, meaning it is not a body related Kekkai Genkai such as the Shikotsumyaku which Kaguya used. Furthermore, it is a Kekkai Genkai which very many Shinobi can use, meaning that it is most likely something that can be taught such as the Dust Release meaning that Madara may have known it prior to becoming a Jin.

(He just enhanced it with Senjutsu.)

That's completely wrong, my friend. It doesn't matter if that's a Dōjutsu, bones or a Kekkai which base on two different Seishitsuhenka. A Kekkai Genkai refers to a change of genotype. Without having those characteristic there is now way anyone could achieve that kind of power. Don't mix that concept up with Kekkai Tōta.
Ranton is a Kumogakure exclusive Kekkai Genkai, but Madara could use it after all without any connection to that village-as I said before. Obviously, Jūbi is the source of that Kekkai Genkai not Madara. Kaguya has obtained Kekkai Genkai due to Shinjus power. Her eye on the forehead proves it. The origin of chakra is closely related to the origin of Kekkai Genkai.

Madara used indeed senchakra to perform Ranton, but his body doesn't hold the ability to connect Futon and Raiton to perform Ranton.

that's it. ;3
 
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That's completely wrong, my friend. It doesn't matter if that's a Dōjutsu, bones or a Kekkai which base on two different Seishitsuhenka. A Kekkai Genkai refers to a change of genotype. Without having those characteristic there is now way anyone could achieve that kind of power. Don't mix that concept up with Kekkai Tōta.
Ranton is a Kumogakure exclusive Kekkai Genkai, but Madara could use it after all without any connection to that village-as I said before. Obviously, Jūbi is the source of that Kekkai Genkai not Madara. Kaguya has obtained Kekkai Genkai due to Shinjus power. Her eye on the forehead proves it. The origin of chakra is closely related to the origin of Kekkai Genkai.

Madara used indeed senchakra to perform Ranton, but his body doesn't hold the ability to connect Futon and Raiton to perform Ranton.

that's it. ;3


At this point you are simply denying one thing and then supporting it again later.

Kekkai Tōta in translated to; Bloodline Selection.
Kekkai Genkai translates to; Bloodline Limit.

Both names indicates that they are connected to a bloodline, yet and Ōnoki are not connected by a bloodline as far as we know. Meaning that a bloodline style was taught to someone. There are 3 types of Kekkai Genkai that we know of;

  • Body Kekkai Genkai
  • Nature Chakra Kekkai Genkai
  • Ocular Kekkai Genkai
Nature Chakra Kekkai Genkai's are used by combining two Nature Releases such as Water and Lightning, creating a whole new release. We also have Kekkai Tōta which uses the same idea only with three Nature Releases instead. (Same concept, just a more advanced version.) Kekkai Genkai refers to the change of release by combining two minor releases. (In the case of Nature Chakra Kekkai Genkai's) We also have Kekkai Genkai's such as Mokuton which is unique in its case as it requires the user to have the body able to wield it as well as the skill to combine Water and Earth.

Originally, I assume that Kekkai Genkai referred to the bloodline of a clan who have invented a new type of Release through combining others without sharing its secrets with anyone. Thus the Nature Release Kekkai Genkai's were never connected by their blood, but rather by their minds. A secrete kept within a bloodline, hence only members of the said bloodline would be able to learn its secrets and learn the Kekkai Genkai. This explain how some Kekkai Genkai's can be taught to others. (This also explains why Kumogakure is unique to the Storm Release.) We also know that Madara existed before village system was created, as he was one of the people who created it. This means that he most likely fought the Storm Release in the past and he did see it during the current War.

Its not far fetched to say that someone alike Madara managed to figure out some Nature Chakra Kekkai Genkai's and how to use them thanks to his Sharingan/Rinnegan. (Not to mention that he is a genius after all.) The Shinju and Juubi held the original Sharingan, which was gifted to Kaguya at some point. (Unless history is wrong and the Shinju originated from Kaguya and not the other way around.) That (as of right now) proves that the Shinju holds a Kekkai Genkai which presents itself by mixing its chakra. (As Madara only awakened it after abosrbing the Shinju as well, which showed Kaguya'sface which may be why the Shinju could have originated from her in the first place.)

Ocular Kekkai Genkai's require that you have the brain and nerves connected to it in order to awaken and use it properly.

Body Kekkai Genkai's require you to have the body in order to handle the said Kekkai Genkai.

 

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At this point you are simply denying one thing and then supporting it again later.

Kekkai Tōta in translated to; Bloodline Selection.
Kekkai Genkai translates to; Bloodline Limit.

Both names indicates that they are connected to a bloodline, yet and Ōnoki are not connected by a bloodline as far as we know. Meaning that a bloodline style was taught to someone.



*had to stop after reading those misconceptions. :)

Ha...ha that's kinda funny. I'm the one who denies given facts. :3

That discription is misleading and your interpretation not correct. You even said it, a Kekkai Tōta is learnable.



But that doesn't count for a Kekkai Genkai. I will give you an information right from the databook:


"A special gift is called Kekkai Genkai. The unusual talent is transmitted due to the genes. The exceptional abilities are not learnable."


The databook doesn't differentiate between a Kekkai Genkai of the body and so on like you did. Actually, every Kekkai Genkai is a part of the body, because it's a change of the genotype.


Because of the databook your statement is almost redundant, sorry. If you want to see a scan of the databook, I will give you one. But it's in German though.

The terms Kekkai Tōta and Kekkai Genkai don't refer to the same context. The bloodline selection exceeds the concept of the bloodline limit. Even if Onoki is able to connect futon, katon and doton to perform Jinton, he can't use Yōton(doton+katon), because he doesn't have the necessary Kekkai Genkai.
 
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