[Theory] Killing myths about the vision of Mangekyo Sharingan

[thegame]

I still see threads on the subject, so I might as well try to kill it - with fire =D

So far no affection on Kakashi and Obito's MS have been observed. This suggests Kamui does not affect the eyes' vision.

But what about Amaterasu? hmm

It has been clear for a while, that when using Amaterasu with EMS the overall effects are the same, as when you use it with normal MS. Here Sasuke uses Amaterasu vs Kabuto and he still bleeds:

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So clearly we can kill any myth relating the blood coming from the eye to the fuzzy vision imposed on the users eyes. This validates, why Kakashi still meets no effects from bleeding liters of blood throughout the war

So my deduction is clear:

Only Susanoo has a retarding effect on the users vision

And actually Obito already told us for a fact, that Susanoo affects ones vision:

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And who would know more about it than him? Not many.

And who others went blind than Sasuke? Madara. He also used Susanoo for war, so it's clear to me now. U_U

Makes sense? If you think about it. Why would a person lose vision on both eyes, when he theoretically could just use one eye all the time for performing Amaterasu, and never become blind? Sasuke barely used Tsukuyomi, and yet went blind on both. Susanoo needs both eyes, as stated by Sasuke himself:

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Hopefully this will kill a few myths and confusions on the topic, but surely wont clear up everything! Only Kishi can! *_*

 

[Mangekyō1]

I thought obito keeps his sight because of the senju DNA.

 

[i OblivioN i]

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Obito has Senju DNA, and Kakashi is only using one eye and is not an Uchiha.

 

[Cursed Prince]

Obito got dat senju DNA. And Kakashi isnt Uchiha

 

[Kαmi]

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Great theory though, you have a lot of good points. Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara all have Susano'o. We saw Sasuke lose his vision the more he used his Susano'o more than his other jutsus. Since Susano'o uses the powers of both eyes, it would make sense if that was why they were going blind using it.

One thing though, Sasuke seemed to grab at his eye when he used Amaterasu and when he used genjutsu (maybe Tsukuyomi) against Bee, why is this if only Susano'o weakens his vision? Do all MS moves have an effect on the user?

 

[baah]

the eye that has been used more frequently loses its light first...

 

[pandu]

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Great theory though, you have a lot of good points. Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara all have Susano'o. We saw Sasuke lose his vision the more he used his Susano'o more than his other jutsus. Since Susano'o uses the powers of both eyes, it would make sense if that was why they were going blind using it.

One thing though, Sasuke seemed to grab at his eye when he used Amaterasu and when he used genjutsu (maybe Tsukuyomi) against Bee, why is this if only Susano'o weakens his vision? Do all MS moves have an effect on the user?

They strain his eyes.This explains why Itachi went blind even though he didn't use susanoo a lot.He could barely see when he fought sasuke.

 

[edo x edo]

well of course it is due to sasuke using susanoo he's getting blind, it's the only ms technique he has used extensively

 

[phantomlord22]

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[thegame]

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Great theory though, you have a lot of good points. Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara all have Susano'o. We saw Sasuke lose his vision the more he used his Susano'o more than his other jutsus. Since Susano'o uses the powers of both eyes, it would make sense if that was why they were going blind using it.

One thing though, Sasuke seemed to grab at his eye when he used Amaterasu and when he used genjutsu (maybe Tsukuyomi) against Bee, why is this if only Susano'o weakens his vision? Do all MS moves have an effect on the user?

Yeah we haven't seen him overuse Amaterasu yet, but clearly he still bleeds even with EMS (which was my point). I believe he only grabs the eye, when he over uses it and feels pain. The eye isn't as robust as the skin for instance. So it can't really take much force before bleeding occurs. Just seeing how easily our own eyes gets red, when a vein has exploded.

They strain his eyes.This explains why Itachi went blind even though he didn't use susanoo a lot.He could barely see when he fought sasuke.

We don't really know a lot about what Itachi did through the years. But given that it took about 8 years, from when Itachi awoke sharingan to when he had almost gone blind, he used Susanoo very little, yes.

Sasuke didn't use Susanoo much either, but he went blind in 2 fights. Itachi could have needed Susanoo for other purposes. For instance Kisame caught the 4th tailed, although Itachi didn't help, it's likely they went to fight with other shinobi in doing so. He was there, so he must have done something. Probably gathering intel about 4 tailed's whereabouts. Just to mention a possibility.

You also need to train. Not using an ability in 8 years wont make you a master in it after 8. And gathering the sage tools and placing them in Susanoo probably required the use of Susanoo.

 

[JMannn]

Although you make some very good points, you're letting out some important things.

1-For some time I thought Kakashi had the EMS. It's not true, but the transplant may have something to do with this, It's worth noting although, that Kakashi, being a non Uchiha, has very poor stamina control on using Kamui, and so could use it less times than say Obito, and this could help to not have his eye 'destroyed', but in the war he started to bleed his eye out, but we still don't know if has lost any vision. Could've.

2-Obito does not have eye blur, at least that we know of. And he uses Kamui. A LOT. Although, the regenrative capabilities of the Hashirama cells could negate this effects somehow, but we have no Intel on this.

3-Itachi and Sasuke got blurry vision and bloody eyes just for using one of their techniques. Although they're abbilities related to Susanoo,They affect booth eyes equaly, as Itachi used Tsuku more, and Sasuke used Amate more, and booth got equaly blurry eyes.

Statistically we could infer that only people with Susanno/Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi get side-effects, because just those 3, Madara, Itachi and Sasuke got those, but we got a relatively small universe constituted by 5 elements, that contains two guys who are not linear elements, as they don't share all the traits desired. Ergo, we could infer nothing.

Cheers

 

[KCMNaruto]

@thegame Sorry but I disagree,

here, Second left picture from top:

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Kakashi eye's are bleading, it is shown very detailed.

If it wasn't picture above then I could agree.

However part of your theory after twisting it may be right that:

Sussano cause more strain for Uchiha'eyes then other MS' s techniques but still it doesn't exclude that rest of MS techniques can deteroriate Uchiha eyes as well.

My theory on this topic could go down like that:

#1th - Senjuu DNA in Obito' eyes repair any damage Obito get from using Kamui or at least slowing down it process.

#2th - Kurama chakra has great healing/regenerating properties which could affect Kakashi's MS and repair any damage Kakashi got form using MS. Kurama as the most biggest part of Juubi which had sharingan may affect MS's(mutated Juubi'eye) healing it or cause to reverse deterioration process.

CONCLUSION:

Kakashi's MS was repaired/healed by Kurama chakra
Obito's MS was and is healing/repairing by Senjuu DNA

 

[thegame]

@thegame Sorry but I disagree,

here, Second left picture from top:

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Kakashi eye's are bleading, it is shown very detailed.

If it wasn't picture above then I could agree.

However part of your theory after twisting it may be right that:

Sussano cause more strain for Uchiha'eyes then other MS' s techniques but still it doesn't exclude that rest of MS techniques can deteroriate Uchiha eyes as well.

My theory on this topic could go down like that:

#1th - Senjuu DNA in Obito' eyes repair any damage Obito get from using Kamui or at least slowing down it process.

#2th - Kurama chakra has great healing/regenerating properties which could affect Kakashi's MS and repair any damage Kakashi got form using MS. Kurama as the most biggest part of Juubi which had sharingan may affect MS's(mutated Juubi'eye) healing it or cause to reverse deterioration process.

CONCLUSION:

Kakashi's MS was repaired/healed by Kurama chakra
Obito's MS was and is healing/repairing by Senjuu DNA

While you make some very good points, you either failed to read the thread thoroughly or the pictures still wont work for others but me, lol..

Anyway the first picture I presented clearly shows EMS Sasuke bleeding from his eye. This has been known ever since the Kabuto fight, so I really thought people couldn't confuse the blood with loss of vision, but many still do.

If you also bleed when using EMS it can only prove, that the bleeding effect seen, when focusing much chakra in the eye, has no effect on the users vision.

I do, however, believe there is a temporary effect from the bleeding, and this effect will also occur for an EMS user. We saw it with Itachi, when he uses Tsukuyomi, he gets dizzy and can't use his eye for a while.