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How the repellent properties of magnetism is more for making it speed up/slow down? If anything I'll give you that but not really changing directions, repel the magnetic field it speeds up, retract it slows down.
 

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How the repellent properties of magnetism is more for making it speed up/slow down? If anything I'll give you that but not really changing directions, repel the magnetic field it speeds up, retract it slows down.

It clearly says change flight. Meaning change direction. Period. No debate about it, it outright says it.
 

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It clearly says change flight. Meaning change direction. Period. No debate about it, it outright says it.

:lol? You good? Pretty sure if it were direction it would say direction.....flight is ambiguous and with logic repelling something would only make it speed up. You wana use the DB? Deal with its ambiguous meanings.
 

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Increasing the magnetic force will increase the repellant property which can be used to increase speed further. The stronger the magnetic force, the stronger the repellant property. It is as simple as that. As long as Sasori is capable of pumping chakra into the Kazekage and increasing it's magnetic force even further, he'll be able to speed up his attacks. And considering Sasori has around 200+ containers of chakra, that isn't really a problem for him.
We're just repeating ourselves right now. The best thing he's shown was against Sakura. He could have made his sand faster the first time Sakura and Chyio countered his sand, but they kept countering it like before without sasori doing anything about the speed of it. So no, I still don't see anything in Sasori's arsenal coming close to even sweat Bee.

Sasori himself. And he doesn't need to. At best, blitzing Sasori would end up in a scenario where Bee assumes he killed Sasori and then Sasori hitting him with a poisoned weapon from behind once his guard is down. We've already seen him try that in the manga. Except this time, there isn't a second person looking behind Bee.
. So he'll see him coming from a mile away.


That really isn't the case because the 100 puppets haven't shown more impressive capabilities than the Third Kazekage so far. Unless you wanna bet on the unknown abilities of the 200+ Human Puppets Sasori hasn't revealed to us.

1. Satetsu can conduct and redirect electricity of the Raiton into the ground by reforming into simple rods or such.

2. Plowing through something that can instantly change shape and branch off into sharp spikes is not a good idea as he wouldn't come out of it without a scratch considering as far as we know, he is only able to coat his palm into Raiton or throw Raiton-coated objects such as a pencil or a sword. Doing the former will come into the range of the spikes which can cut him and doing the latter will not do much if anything as he'd need to utilise his own strenght to plow through the Satetsu.
I mean those puppets were getting their asses handed to them by Chyio's puppets and Sakura moving on her own. Like to see their unnamed abilities against Bee.

1. Proof of that?
2. Granted that Sasori can keep up with Bee's movement. He won't make spikes when he can't even react to Bee.

Streaming raiton is a simple thing for Bee. Instead of pinpointing the stream on a sword he can just extend his fingers and make his own version of chidori. After all his raiton streaming was on par with Sasuke's, even we could say it was stronger as Bee made his normal sword as strong as Sasuke's Kusanagi sword.
 

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:lol? You good? Pretty sure if it were direction it would say direction.....flight is ambiguous and with logic repelling something would only make it speed up. You wana use the DB? Deal with its ambiguous meanings.

It can "change flight"
Flight can mean normal flying or
Flight: "the movement or trajectory of a projectile or ball through the air."

So yes, I'm very good. And no, it's not ambiguous in this context because flight doesn't not have a single meaning smh.
 

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How the repellent properties of magnetism is more for making it speed up/slow down? If anything I'll give you that but not really changing directions, repel the magnetic field it speeds up, retract it slows down.

As I've said. The ''it can change flight'' is in context with repellent property.



1.
to drive or force back (an assailant, invader, etc.).
2.
to thrust back or away.

Flight in this case is meant to drive it back into another direction, that is repel it into another direction, i.e. changing it's flight = direction.

Simply changing the aim of his Satetsu (we've clearly seen him do this), Sasori can either keep on repelling or attracting his Satetsu to change it's direction.

TL;DR; Changing it's aim and then repeling it into that direction = changing direction.
 

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Sasori can literally fire Iron Sand Bullets at Super Sonic Speeds and can dance around the Hachibi tanks to manipulation of Iron Sand. It's going to be rather difficult to aim his Bijuudamas and the Poison from the Iron Sand Bullets may be enough to subdue the Hachibi.

If you're trying to say Sasori can poison Hachibi in his full transformation while he isn't thinking of retaliating with biju dama, then there is nothing I can argue here.

-Supersonic speed doesn't mean much when the likes of Chiyo can react to most of Sasori's IS techs and Bee has superior reactions.
-Biju dama is faster than any of Sasori's tech considering its speed has been shown to be on par with Sasuke's Susano'o arrow.

The only way Sasori lands his attacks considering BM mobility and size in BM don't help, is if Bee let's him prep his IS techs w/o retaliating w/ biju dama and decides to take IS head on.

Here's a question.

Are you reading what he is saying?

Mhm, here's another question: Are you reading what I am saying?

Uh, Bee doesn't ever use his TBB from second 1. Naruto doesn't use TBB from second 1. Only Kamui and Tsukiyomi have been used as 1 shot techniques, but BM doesn't work like that and Bee doesn't fight like that. He fought extensively in all his fights before he ever even thought of using BM. Example: He didn't do it vs Kisame at all. Example: He only did it versus Team Taka at the very end because he wanted to show them the power of a beast. I didn't restrict it and won't, Sasori has the opportunity to win this before it's ever released. And as AC pointed out, I am suggesting TBB doesn't GG.


Here is a of Bee transforming and launching a biju dama the moment he transforms.

Will he do so most of the time IC? No. Has he ever done so? Yes, he has. I can definitely see Bee using a TBB if he realises he can't get past IS in base, and decides not to take Sasori's techs head on.

Anyways, I can't type long paragraphs these days and discussing IC fights is boring. I'll have to concede for the time being I guess.
 
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We're just repeating ourselves right now. The best thing he's shown was against Sakura. He could have made his sand faster the first time Sakura and Chyio countered his sand, but they kept countering it like before without sasori doing anything about the speed of it. So no, I still don't see anything in Sasori's arsenal coming close to even sweat Bee.

Not neccessarily. He could have, but he didn't have to. He had two options:

a) increase it's speed which he would have to keep adjusting as he can't specifically calculate how much Chiyo could help Sakura avoid the Satetsu and at what speeds

b) increase it's field of effect inside the closed up space which is a more sure-fire hit and he did exactly that instead

The latter worked, but he got tricked due to the antidotes. There's really not much to argue here. As we know how magnetic force works here. The stronger it is, the stronger it's repellant force. And we already know it for a fact that Sasori can increase his magnetic force as well as the fact that he wasn't lacking in chakra at all when pumping it in for magnetic force during the confrontation.

. So he'll see him coming from a mile away.

1. Bee was fully aware that they were going for a coordinated attack and was fully aware that Jugo would be involved in it as he was listening to Suigetsu's suggestion about attacking him at the same time. [ ]

2. He was fully on-guard against incoming attacks, especially since he was just electrocuted, it was clear there would be a follow-up attack from the only member left.

3. Jugo didn't even try to sneak up like Sasori would after playing dead. And Bee would have his guard down, assuming Sasori is dead.

I mean those puppets were getting their asses handed to them by Chyio's puppets and Sakura moving on her own. Like to see their unnamed abilities against Bee.

Which leads us to the conclusion that Third Kazekage has shown more impressive feats despite Sasori saying 100 puppets are his strongest technique, thus my point is proven.

1. Proof of that?

Iron conducts electricity. Rest is simple matter of changing the material's shape.

2. Granted that Sasori can keep up with Bee's movement. He won't make spikes when he can't even react to Bee.

He won't be able to keep that up. Team Taka was capable of keeping track of Bee's movements and only lost him once. It's the same scenario as Sasuke rushing at Deidara suddenly, Deidara being shocked, reacting in the last second and then being able to keep up with his movements later on. Also, the same scenario as when Naruto punched Deidara, Deidara reacted, replaced himself with a clone and then hid in the bushes, completely escaping out of Naruto's and Kakashi's line of sight despite Naruto and Kakashi staring at him the whole time.

Doesn't really mean Deidara would be able to run around and keep on disappearing from their sight. As far as we know, Bee evaded Jugo's attack and then used the smoke created by it's impact to the ground as a cover for his escape. Bee never disappeared like that out of Kisame's sight either. And Sasuke could keep track of Itachi's Shunshin which is faster than Bee atm, yet he lost Bee in that moment because of the smoke. See where I'm getting at?

Streaming raiton is a simple thing for Bee. Instead of pinpointing the stream on a sword he can just extend his fingers and make his own version of chidori. After all his raiton streaming was on par with Sasuke's, even we could say it was stronger as Bee made his normal sword as strong as Sasuke's Kusanagi sword.

Stronger =/= being able to control and shape it just as good. Same case as Kakuzu's Raiton. He can fire off a big Raiton that takes two Raikiri's worth of electricity to stop, yet he isn't particulary capable of shaping it and using it in more ways than just firing off a direct, powerful lighting strike and Kakuzu has been said to have excellent mastery of said element.
 

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If you're trying to say Sasori can poison Hachibi in his full transformation while he isn't thinking of retaliating with biju dama, then there is nothing I can argue here.

There's really nothing you can argue about. Even Yugito never opted for a Bijuudama the instant she transformed and she was up against 2 Akatsuki members. Hell, Bijuudamas are overrated considering both Hidan and Base Kakuzu managed to overpower Yugito despite her using a Bijuudama that busted through a mountain.

-Supersonic speed doesn't mean much when the likes of Chiyo can react to most of Sasori's IS techs
-Biju dama is faster than any of Sasori's tech considering its speed has been shown to be on par with Sasuke's Susano'o arrow.

The speed can easily be increased by increasing the magnetic properties of the Sand or by infusing more chakra in general.

Satetsu is heavily implied to be very powerful due to it's unpredictable nature as it tipped Chiyo off-guard despite Sasori only using very little amounts of chakra in order to do so.

That depends. Deidara implied Sasori was his superior and considering Deidara was implied to be able to outmaneuvor and counter a technique such as Jinton that can easily travel a far distance very quickly, I have no doubt in my mind that a superior aerial fighter such as Sasori can combat Bijuudamas. You're honestly forgetting that Sasori is a part of a group that are designed to capture Bijuu without even killing them. It wouldn't make sense for Sasori easily get caught by a Bijuudama or that would completely contradict one of the reasons Sasori was recruited by the Akatsuki for in the first place.

Hell, Deva Path easily countered KN6's Bijuudama by slamming a boulder on his head which therefore changed the trajectory of the blast. Sasori can easily do the same thing with a larger amount of Iron Sand slamming straight into the Hachibi's head which would also change the trajectory of the blast.

The only way Sasori lands his attacks considering BM mobility and size in BM don't help, is if Bee let's him prep his IS techs w/o retaliating w/ biju dama and decides to take IS head on.

With lack of intel, Sasori will have plenty of time to form his Satetsu considering Bee never starts in BM, even against Akatsuki members from the very beginning. If not, he can easily stall with 100 puppets in a location such as this and eventually lure him to a more desirable location in which he can box him in with Satetsu and Poison Gas.


Here is a of Bee transforming and launching a biju dama the moment he transforms.

Will he do so most of the time IC? No. Has he ever done so? Yes, he has. I can definitely see Bee using a TBB if he realises he can't get past IS in base, and decides not to take Sasori's techs head on.

Anyways, I can't write many long paragraphs these days and discussing IC fights is boring. I'll have to concede for the time being, I guess.

Great, because Sasori is comparable to the Juubi correct? The Hachibi is fodder size compared to the Juubi. It's no surprise he would attempt to Bijuudama something that is considered to be the strongest being in the universe.

I'm also doubtful about this. On both of Bee's bouts' with the Akatsuki, he always resorted to his V1 Cloak before ever attempting to enter his Bijuu Mode. Hell, he attempted to strike Kisame twice with predictable maneuvors in his V1 Cloak despite having knowledge of Kisame's absoprtion via Samehada. I see no reason why he'd opt for Bijuu Mode and start spamming Bijuudamas even after realizing how threatening his Iron Sand can be.
 
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Mhm, here's another question: Are you reading what I am saying?

Clearly.

So.. Bee can't use biju dama because you don't want him to, even though you didn't restrict this move in the OP. That's a really shallow and biased PoV to be honest. But hey, whatever floats your boat pal.
So.. Bee can't use biju dama

When was it ever stated that Bee can't use a Bijuudama, especially because he doesn't want him to? Being prevented from using one and being unable to use one are two different things. I never saw Apex imply the latter, he only implied the former.

Conclusion? You either have a bad way of wording or are trying to probe a reaction by throwing around insults.
 

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I would say that bee uses the area to his advantage...I mean that is why we specify a location, right? No one ever discusses the location. Be goes to the lake where Jiraiya drowned and casually rapes from below...
 

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I would say that bee uses the area to his advantage...I mean that is why we specify a location, right? No one ever discusses the location. Be goes to the lake where Jiraiya drowned and casually rapes from below...

Same goes for Sasori who can pollute the water via the massive containers of poison he stores within his puppet armory and weaponry.
 

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I would say that bee uses the area to his advantage...I mean that is why we specify a location, right? No one ever discusses the location. Be goes to the lake where Jiraiya drowned and casually rapes from below...

Bee retreating is unlike him. He's more likely to charge in battle like he did against the Base Jins and Kisame.
 

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Here is a of Bee transforming and launching a biju dama the moment he transforms.

Will he do so most of the time IC? No. Has he ever done so? Yes, he has. I can definitely see Bee using a TBB if he realises he can't get past IS in base, and decides not to take Sasori's techs head on.

Anyways, I can't type long paragraphs these days and discussing IC fights is boring. I'll have to concede for the time being I guess.

You mean when he was sacrificing himself to kill the Juubi? That's not even comparable to an actual scenario of a fight. Bee would never be caught up twice in his TBB's in a normal fight against an opponent he knows nothing about. The Juubi scenario is completely different.

And by the time IS is out, Bee going into BM would have him killed. IS would just be used continously at him and he'd just keep taking damage. 10 seconds later he'd be unconscious and nearing death. Didn't see the last part of your post tho my bad man, I'm gonna post this anyways since I already wrote everything out.
 

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Not neccessarily. He could have, but he didn't have to. He had two options:

a) increase it's speed which he would have to keep adjusting as he can't specifically calculate how much Chiyo could help Sakura avoid the Satetsu and at what speeds

b) increase it's field of effect inside the closed up space which is a more sure-fire hit and he did exactly that instead

The latter worked, but he got tricked due to the antidotes. There's really not much to argue here. As we know how magnetic force works here. The stronger it is, the stronger it's repellant force. And we already know it for a fact that Sasori can increase his magnetic force as well as the fact that he wasn't lacking in chakra at all when pumping it in for magnetic force during the confrontation.
What you said is just assumptions. If we're going by what you're saying then speeding up satetsu would have worked in Sasori's favor because
1. Sasori had already seen Sakura's speed while being manipulated by Chiyo
2. You say he can even catch Bee with increasing its speed, which then he would have no problem doing the same with Sakura and Chiyo.

My point is that Sasori had seen Chiyo and Sakura and their speed, and his best choice would have been increasing the speed of his sand. Because we've seen that Sasori leaves gaps the size of a person when he spreads his iron san.

1. Bee was fully aware that they were going for a coordinated attack and was fully aware that Jugo would be involved in it as he was listening to Suigetsu's suggestion about attacking him at the same time. [ ]

2. He was fully on-guard against incoming attacks, especially since he was just electrocuted, it was clear there would be a follow-up attack from the only member left.

3. Jugo didn't even try to sneak up like Sasori would after playing dead. And Bee would have his guard down, assuming Sasori is dead.
My point still stands. Jugo didn't make a sound, and Bee was on the ground, electrocuted. He wasn't award of Jugo coming at him, yet he dodged him with ease.

Which leads us to the conclusion that Third Kazekage has shown more impressive feats despite Sasori saying 100 puppets are his strongest technique, thus my point is proven.
yup, and Third Kazekage's puppet on itself won't really trouble Bee.

Iron conducts electricity. Rest is simple matter of changing the material's shape.
So does water, yet Suigetsu was affected.

He won't be able to keep that up. Team Taka was capable of keeping track of Bee's movements and only lost him once. It's the same scenario as Sasuke rushing at Deidara suddenly, Deidara being shocked, reacting in the last second and then being able to keep up with his movements later on. Also, the same scenario as when Naruto punched Deidara, Deidara reacted, replaced himself with a clone and then hid in the bushes, completely escaping out of Naruto's and Kakashi's line of sight despite Naruto and Kakashi staring at him the whole time.

Doesn't really mean Deidara would be able to run around and keep on disappearing from their sight. As far as we know, Bee evaded Jugo's attack and then used the smoke created by it's impact to the ground as a cover for his escape. Bee never disappeared like that out of Kisame's sight either. And Sasuke could keep track of Itachi's Shunshin which is faster than Bee atm, yet he lost Bee in that moment because of the smoke. See where I'm getting at?
He doesn't need to do it constantly. He only need to do it once to get at Sasori. Or Do it to destroy Hiruko and getting rid of the Iron sand.

Stronger =/= being able to control and shape it just as good. Same case as Kakuzu's Raiton. He can fire off a big Raiton that takes two Raikiri's worth of electricity to stop, yet he isn't particulary capable of shaping it and using it in more ways than just firing off a direct, powerful lighting strike and Kakuzu has been said to have excellent mastery of said element.
He doesn't need to shape it as good as Sasuke or Kakashi. He can just stream it in his hands and punch through them. And here is . So that was a bad example.
 

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What you said is just assumptions. If we're going by what you're saying then speeding up satetsu would have worked in Sasori's favor because
1. Sasori had already seen Sakura's speed while being manipulated by Chiyo
2. You say he can even catch Bee with increasing its speed, which then he would have no problem doing the same with Sakura and Chiyo.

My point is that Sasori had seen Chiyo and Sakura and their speed, and his best choice would have been increasing the speed of his sand. Because we've seen that Sasori leaves gaps the size of a person when he spreads his iron san.

No, not really. Sakura and Chiyo didn't evade Sasori's attacks because of speed as we've already seen Satetsu attacks move faster than they could run as they had to put up shields instead. It is specifically stated that they did so through Sakura's training at evading in general as a Medic-nin and Chiyo's ability to control her and raise up her evasive skills. Sasori didn't have a particular way to know how to exactly measure Sakura's evasiveness. Which is the whole point for changing tactics into a massive area of effect attack - to eliminate the need to measure their evasiveness.

Once again, I don't see the assumption here. Let me break it down again.

1. We know that Satetsu is controlled by magnetic force for a fact.

2. We know that the stronger magnetic force is, the stronger the repellant property is for a fact.

3. We know that Sasori can change Chakra into Magnetic Force and keep on pumping chakra as long as he has more for a fact.

4. We know that Satetsu is moved via magnetism's repellant property for a fact.

5. We know that Sasori raises the speed of his Satetsu with the repellant force of magnetism for a fact, proven by the DB.

Conclusion? Sasori can raise the speed of his Satetsu as long as he has more Chakra to convert and strenghten his magnetic force. More so, we've seen bigger Satetsu attacks that are faster than the smaller Satetsu attacks already. Notably, the Satetsu Spears [ ] which's speed is highlighted by the fact that they: a) elongated after being launched at full speed, b) had the sfx: whoosh effect to highlight the speed they were travelling at, c) had a clear effect on the atmosphere/space surrounding it - most likely breaking the sound barrier. Same doesn't go for the small Drizzle. [ ] Spears are a lot bigger. [ ] Want to know why the spears were faster? Sasori pumped more magnetic force into them. [ ] Point? Bigger Satetsu weaponry can be faster than smaller ones as long as Sasori uses the appropriate amount of magnetic force.


My point still stands. Jugo didn't make a sound, and Bee was on the ground, electrocuted. He wasn't award of Jugo coming at him, yet he dodged him with ease.

The situations are clearly different. As I've said, Bee was expecting an attack all along and it was blatantly clear, the last member would attempt an attack right after he was electrocuted - thus being left in a vunerable state - and they were going for a coordinated attack. Chiyo, who has years of experience above him, wouldn't have been able to notice Sasori sneaking up on her since she thought he was dead.

yup, and Third Kazekage's puppet on itself won't really trouble Bee.

And 100 puppets are supposed to help how? With poisoned blades that the third Kazekage already has? Quality > Quantity. All the 100 puppets will accomplish is mess up Sasori's use of Satetsu.

So does water, yet Suigetsu was affected.

Point being? Said water is Suigetsu's body so it's quite clear why he was affected. Last time I checked, Satetsu isn't Sasori's body nor is it a living being.

He doesn't need to do it constantly. He only need to do it once to get at Sasori. Or Do it to destroy Hiruko and getting rid of the Iron sand.

Destroying Hiruko accomplishes what? Bee doesn't know that Hiruko isn't Sasori's real body and we're back to Bee assuming Sasori is dead. Secondly, I've made it clear why Bee would attack Sasori - who has no weaponry and is human as far as Bee knows - instead of his puppet - who can fight at close range and has weaponry stored inside his point. Attacking the Puppet Master who can't fight is a clear tactic that every opponent of theirs' tries to utilize.

He doesn't need to shape it as good as Sasuke or Kakashi. He can just stream it in his hands and punch through them. And here is . So that was a bad example.

1. We've seen him only cover the palm of his hand like Kakashi/Sasuke do with Chidori/Raikiri. That means he can very much be hurt by the spikes.

2. Kakuzu's point still stands. All he did was branch off the already existant shape into more lightning with the same shape. We don't know whether Bee can coat his whole arms or body in Raiton atm.
 

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Bijudama gg

And as for the "Your only argument is BD gg" all the people supporting Sasori only have "Poison GG"
 

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Bijudama gg

And as for the "Your only argument is BD gg" all the people supporting Sasori only have "Poison GG"

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Bijudama gg

And as for the "Your only argument is BD gg" all the people supporting Sasori only have "Poison GG"

Nope. I'm saying Bijuu Dama is never used from the get-go, and it isn't. Sasori uses his Satetsu from the get-go because it's his favourite puppet and is practically normal sand imbued with poison. So nah, that comparison goes out the window.
 

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Sasori shall always be underrated.
 
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