[VS] Killer Bee vs Sasori

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That still didn't answer my question. They still had time to react, characters considerably slower than Bee. Chiyo had enough time to get Sakura out of danger[ ][ ]. These dolls and Chiyo are far slower than Bee in anything. Even Sasori's

Yes, they reacted. They still didn't have time to actually move out of the range. Chiyo has enough time to move Sakura out of danger because the puppet was already there [ ]. He merely needed to release the chakra shield from his chest. And when did I ever suggest they weren't? Fact remains that IS is extremely fast, and ISW is more than capable of scratching Bee and ending it then and there. Next up you will realise that Sasori can use several puppets alongside his Satetsu to pretty much ensure that Bee can't escape all of Satetsu's attacks. And how exactly would 100 puppets not phase Bee? He can't see attacks from behind him to react, and 1 scratch makes it game over. He easily gets distracted by 99 puppets while Sasori has Satetsu send an IS through him from a range. He doesn't even have intel on Satetsu in the first place, nor does he know he dies from 1 scratch. All 99 attack while Satetsu fires an IS spear that will definitely cut him unseen.
 

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Sasori can use the repellent property of magnetism to increase speed atm. It's the reason his pellets were that fast to begin with, confirmed by the DB. The more Chakra he pumps into magentism, the more he can increase and strenghten the properties of his magnetism.

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^ He changes chakra into magnetic force. The more powerful the force he can get, the stronger the properties and in this, the faster his Satetsu gets. Any kind of speed problems can be erased as soon as Sasori pumps more chakra into magnetic force and then accordingly uses the repellent property to increase the attack speed.
 
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Yes, they reacted. They still didn't have time to actually move out of the range. Chiyo has enough time to move Sakura out of danger because the puppet was already there [ ]. He merely needed to release the chakra shield from his chest. And when did I ever suggest they weren't? Fact remains that IS is extremely fast, and ISW is more than capable of scratching Bee and ending it then and there. Next up you will realise that Sasori can use several puppets alongside his Satetsu to pretty much ensure that Bee can't escape all of Satetsu's attacks. And how exactly would 100 puppets not phase Bee? He can't see attacks from behind him to react, and 1 scratch makes it game over. He easily gets distracted by 99 puppets while Sasori has Satetsu send an IS through him from a range. He doesn't even have intel on Satetsu in the first place, nor does he know he dies from 1 scratch. All 99 attack while Satetsu fires an IS spear that will definitely cut him unseen.
It's extremely fast for people like Chiyo and Sakura. Not Bee. And you need to prove it that Sasori can scratch Bee, when Bee's speed was enough to cover a huge distance before Jugo could even notice that he wasn't there anymore.[ ][ ]. Bee easily gets out of range of it, or he can blitz the puppet or Sasori before they can do something.
 

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How exactly Bee doesn't side step Sasori's attacks? Chiyo and early part 2 Sakura had no problem doing so.

That's simply because he was up against a very reflexive ninja (Chiyo) who had immense experience in dealing with Sasori's puppetry and Part 2 Sakura mostly had assistance from Chiyo which allowed her to eventually detect Sasori's movements through his fingers. Even then, Sasori is more than capable of using his core to control the Sandaime which makes any attempts of detecting his movements ahead of time meaningless.

Killer Bee gets overwhelmed, esp. with location. Sasori can eventually retreat towards a more "narrow" location and box Killer Bee in with Satetsu.
 

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It's extremely fast for people like Chiyo and Sakura. Not Bee. And you need to prove it that Sasori can scratch Bee, when Bee's speed was enough to cover a huge distance before Jugo could even notice that he wasn't there anymore.[ ][ ].

Can be countered by Sasori pumping more chakra into the puppet, converting it into magnetic force and raising the repellent property, thus increasing the speed.

Bee easily gets out of range of it, or he can blitz the puppet

A puppet master's weakness is their inability to fight at close range. If he is going to blitz something, it is going to be Sasori himself who has no weaponry as far as Bee knows.

or Sasori before they can do something.

Doesn't know about the heart and we haven't seen Bee specifically aim for the heart. He'll aim for a lariat or the like, mainly Sasori's neck and stomach. Without knowing what Sasori really is, he'd most likely assume he is dead, allowing Sasori to counter with pretending to be dead or coating his heart with Satetsu armory, preventing such attacks in the future which is completely in line with Sasori's cautious personality.
 
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This thread is making my eyes bleed bee stomps Bijuu Dama GG
 

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Let's just say that Sasori can indeed fly using his Iron Sand. Zero evidence that the speed is anything near Gaara's flight speed. In fact, Iron Sand when it's being freely manipulated isn't even fast. The only times Iron Sand becomes fast is when IS drizzle is used, and even then, that isn't that fast when talking about people on B's tier. He's not getting out of B's range before B catches up with him considering he's faster than people like Sasuke on foot in V1, and he's fast enough to blitz Kisame w/ no reaction in V2.

I didn't imply the flying speed would be as fast, but it's not far off since all three use magnet release (Yondaime Kazekage too). And lol, are you implying Bee will start the fight with a v1 blitz? He'll originally be in base, and Sasori will be in Hiruko. Sasori will see Bee's physical strength and speed and choose to fly with his IS (given he has 5 intelligence in DB, one of the very few). Bee won't know that another Sasori randomly pops out, nor will he know striking Sasori again won't kill him, adding to the surprise factor of Sasori's overall fighting style. On another note, once the Sandaime Kazekage is out, he can use this jutsu [ ] which had a massive amount of hands attempting to corner you [ ] and had enough power to go right through the ground. After that they shoot poison at you assuming you are within it. Sasori can change its usage given an already established analysis of Bee's abilities and merely put it in front of himself and release the poison in that immediate area [ ]. This will prevent Bee from attempting to close the distance while Sasori creates a platform for flight, given his immunity to poison. And yes, I know Bee is very fast.

If he uses ISW anyway, then B simply evades whatever dome this guy may try to make considering the overall movement speed of it is nowhere near Gaara's Sand. Not by feats anyway. Then he uses chakra arms or gets close with a blitz and wrecks Sasori's puppet body. That continues until the core is destroyed.

How can Bee do anything against a dome? I already gave you a link of the pool the IS was capable of creating. He simply needs to form it at a place where Bee can't escape from. Chakra arms won't be very useful given Sasori is enclosing the area with a dome on Bee, not himself. Not to mention, the sand is extremely fast regardless of what you say. The Sandaime Raikage is the strongest Kazekage BY FAR [ ]. Not only did Sasori defeat him without Satetsu, he now posses him as a part of his arsenal. It is implicative that his sand would be comparable to both the Yondaime's Gold Dust (Yondaime is weaker) and Gaara's (Gaara was pretty much on the same level as Yondaime sand speed wise). Yet the guy who is stronger than the two of them has his strongest ability, Satetsu, as 'much slower'? Makes no sense imo, regardless of less feats. Sasori had 298 HUMAN puppets, he only used Hiruko and Sandaime. If Sasori used 10 human puppets and Sandaime was one of them, he could pretty much wreck havoc as all of them would have their own KKG/special traits and abilities, not to mention the Iron Sand.

Then there's the fact that even if he's trapped in the dome, Bijuu Dama would blow through the IS and vaporize Sasori.

Btw, Gaara doesn't use Jiton to control his Sand.
But he wouldn't know where Sasori is. Not to mention the dome would obviously not fit a ~118 meter giant inside it. Assuming Bee tried to go BM he'd surely cause enough pressure to bust right through it, but at the same time the friction he'd cause with the IS would at the very least cut him and thus poison him (he's not hard to cut).

And yes, Gaara DOES use magnetism. I also used to think he didn't, but atm there's too much pointing towards Gaara actually using magnetism to control his sand. And don't tell me it doesn't work because sand isn't magnetic, anything that the user chooses becomes magnetic, including human skin. First off, his dark rings around his eyes give slight, but not concrete proof that he uses magnetism. Second of all, he has both wind and doton which are required for magnetism. Third of all, I know you will say Gaara infused his sand with chakra against Kimimaro, but . 4th of all, in the databook for his defence against C3, it , meaning he doesn't conventionally infuse his chakra with his sand.
 
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Sasori can control Satetsu in the same manner as Gaara. It's specifically stated that he hardens his sand only to get more impact and density. If he is going for more agility like Gaara's, he doesn't have to use magnetism to harden it. Can just control it just like he made it float out of his puppet's mouth under his control.

It's specifically stated that Satetsu can be shaped into anything in order to adapt to the enemy's battle method and the terrain. Anything is a justu description and how it works and it's based off of Shukaku's sand. Can work in the same manner as it.

We've already seen something completely similiar to Satetsu, 4th Kazekage's Golden Sand, used in the same manner as Gaara's.
 
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Sasori can control Satetsu in the same manner as Gaara. It's specifically stated that he hardens his sand only to get more impact and density. If he is going for more agility like Gaara's, he doesn't have to use magnetism to harden it. Can just control it just like he made it float out of his puppet's mouth under his control.

They both use magnet release to control their respective sands, same as Yondaime. Yet the strongest Kazekage of all, mind you, the strongest Kazekage is somehow much slower and weaker in his sand manipulation? Yea, no. He controls his Iron Sand's toughness and compact nature through magnetism. He can merely use less magnetism to make it free flowing like Gaara and Yondaime.
 

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Can we not forget Sasori can't even change directions? After the chakra is pumped out for the IS to move in a certain direction its hard to change it, hence why he couldn't stop something thrown back at him.
 

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Can be countered by Sasori pumping more chakra into the puppet, converting it into magnetic force and raising the repellent property, thus increasing the speed.
Yes, but best feat? What he showed against Sakura and Chyio. We don't know if he can make it fast enough to make Bee uncomfortable. And we require proof if you think he can make it as fast or faster than Bee.


A puppet master's weakness is their inability to fight at close range. If he is going to blitz something, it is going to be Sasori himself who has no weaponry as far as Bee knows.
Puppet or Sasori himself. Neither Sasori nor his reaction with puppets is great enough to prevent a blitz from Bee.


Doesn't know about the heart and we haven't seen Bee specifically aim for the heart. He'll aim for a lariat or the like, mainly Sasori's neck and stomach. Without knowing what Sasori really is, he'd most likely assume he is dead, allowing Sasori to counter with pretending to be dead or coating his heart with Satetsu armory, preventing such attacks in the future which is completely in line with Sasori's cautious personality.
Sasori needs to open up his chest to use his 100 puppets. If he doesn't use them he won't even be a challenge to Bee only using third kazekage. Iron Sand is plowed through with Raiton, as it is just a harder sand with magnetic properties.
 

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Can we not forget Sasori can't even change directions? After the chakra is pumped out for the IS to move in a certain direction its hard to change it, hence why he couldn't stop something thrown back at him.

That's because large objects that are solidified would take a tremendous amount of magnetic force to control, let alone redirect. I'm assuming he just let it be as he wouldn't benefit from sending it back and having it being punched again back to that wall.
 

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Yes, but best feat? What he showed against Sakura and Chyio. We don't know if he can make it fast enough to make Bee uncomfortable. And we require proof if you think he can make it as fast or faster than Bee.

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Increasing the magnetic force will increase the repellant property which can be used to increase speed further. The stronger the magnetic force, the stronger the repellant property. It is as simple as that. As long as Sasori is capable of pumping chakra into the Kazekage and increasing it's magnetic force even further, he'll be able to speed up his attacks. And considering Sasori has around 200+ containers of chakra, that isn't really a problem for him.

Puppet or Sasori himself. Neither Sasori nor his reaction with puppets is great enough to prevent a blitz from Bee.

Sasori himself. And he doesn't need to. At best, blitzing Sasori would end up in a scenario where Bee assumes he killed Sasori and then Sasori hitting him with a poisoned weapon from behind once his guard is down. We've already seen him try that in the manga. Except this time, there isn't a second person looking behind Bee.

Sasori needs to open up his chest to use his 100 puppets. If he doesn't use them he won't even be a challenge to Bee only using third kazekage. Iron Sand is plowed through with Raiton, as it is just a harder sand with magnetic properties.


That really isn't the case because the 100 puppets haven't shown more impressive capabilities than the Third Kazekage so far. Unless you wanna bet on the unknown abilities of the 200+ Human Puppets Sasori hasn't revealed to us.

1. Satetsu can conduct and redirect electricity of the Raiton into the ground by reforming into simple rods or such.

2. Plowing through something that can instantly change shape and branch off into sharp spikes is not a good idea as he wouldn't come out of it without a scratch considering as far as we know, he is only able to coat his palm into Raiton or throw Raiton-coated objects such as a pencil or a sword. Doing the former will come into the range of the spikes which can cut him and doing the latter will not do much if anything as he'd need to utilise his own strenght to plow through the Satetsu.
 
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That's because large objects that are solidified would take a tremendous amount of magnetic force to control, let alone redirect. I'm assuming he just let it be as he wouldn't benefit from sending it back and having it being punched again back to that wall.

.-. He's never shown anything to change directions nor stop it once its moved or even control it freely, he inputs the comand/chakra into the field and then it performs the action/movement. If he wants it to do something else he has to wait and then do it again.
 

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.-. He's never shown anything to change directions nor stop it once its moved or even control it freely, he inputs the comand/chakra into the field and then it performs the action/movement. If he wants it to do something else he has to wait and then do it again.

What you just said goes against the definition of magnetism's repellant force and the fact that DB directly states he can change the flight of his objects after they are already launched through the repellant property of the magnetic force.

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.-. He's never shown anything to change directions nor stop it once its moved or even control it freely, he inputs the comand/chakra into the field and then it performs the action/movement. If he wants it to do something else he has to wait and then do it again.

AC already linked it.
 

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What you just said goes against the definition of magnetism's repellant force and the fact that DB directly states he can change the flight of his objects after they are already launched through the repellant property of the magnetic force.

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Change flight can mean multiple things :lol, fact is what I said has never been shown.
 

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Change flight can mean multiple things :lol, fact is what I said has never been shown.

It's very clear what that means considering the context it is written in.
 

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Can we not forget Sasori can't even change directions? After the chakra is pumped out for the IS to move in a certain direction its hard to change it, hence why he couldn't stop something thrown back at him.

He likely can as he manipulated it in an unpredictable manner that not even Chiyo could detect.

Considering Sasori is stated to have complete mastery over manipulation of Satetsu similar to Sandaime Kazekage who's renown as the strongest of all Kazekage, he certainly can do something as have it change directions as even Gaara is capable of doing so.
 
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