killer bee vs MS Kakashi

[Bogard]

Kakashi was contending with multiple V2 with Sharingan precognition(that helped a usually slower than Bee Yugito to tag him in close quarter combat) and rinnengan shared vision(helped to dodge Bee's even blinding attacks), so Bee isn't blitzing him even in V2. Kakashi is more strategical while fighting, usually using kawarimi or clone feint. He would end up hiting Bee with his kamui sooner or later

 

[Unorthodox]

He doesn't need clones to produce an ink cloud.

kamui snipes before he produced the ink then bee loses either way he isnt faster than mongekyou sharingan eye

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm leaning more towards Bee due to full knowledge. Right off the bat he could use an ink cloud to block Kakashi's LS and then overpower him by going V2.

This strategy isn't going to work unless he can one shot Kakashi faster than he can react, and V2 B doesn't move fast enough to outright blitz Kakashi, so Kamui remains a threat that B can't address.

 

[Draphsin]

Bee wins mid diff.

Tentacle clone/ink to avoid a kamui snipe & gain some distance then he can launch his bijuudamas pretty much from base. [

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[Touken]

This strategy isn't going to work unless he can one shot Kakashi faster than he can react, and V2 B doesn't move fast enough to outright blitz Kakashi, so Kamui remains a threat that B can't address.

Or Bee could do what Draphsin posted. As soon as he's made that ink cloud, he transforms into a mini version of the Hachibi and launches his Bijuu Bomb.

 

[Bogard]

Bee wins mid diff.

Tentacle clone/ink to avoid a kamui snipe & gain some distance then he can launch his bijuudamas pretty much from base. [

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His ink clone are dark, different color than the original. Their purpose would be useless considering all Kakashi has to do is to warp the original(easy to identify). Besides he has to know when to actually pull off the tentacle clone. Kamui isn't amaterasu that last on the body giving time for strategy. He would end up getting snipe anytime without knowing. Bijuudamas are wiped out or dodge with kamui

 

[Draphsin]

His ink clone are dark, different color than the original. Their purpose would be useless considering all Kakashi has to do is to warp the original(easy to identify).

The clone is for obstruction of view, & bee can summon at least 6. They can simply keep kakashi preoccupied with taijutsu if need be.

Besides he has to know when to actually pull off the tentacle clone. Kamui isn't amaterasu that last on the body giving time for strategy. He would end up getting snipe anytime without knowing.

He does it at the beginning of the fight, as I said they are for obstruction of view & keeping him preoccupied. He's not feinting so he doesn't need to time it.

Bijuudamas are wiped out or dodge with kamui

Not a chance, unless you can show me kakashi spamming kamui snipes consecutively.

 

[Apêx1]

Bee wins mid-high diff. Kamui isn't as effective in this match-up.

 

[Bogard]

The clone is for obstruction of view, & bee can summon at least 6. They can simply keep kakashi preoccupied with taijutsu if need be.

These clones are not reaching. He would blast them away with suiton jutsus or lightning wolf

He does it at the beginning of the fight, as I said they are for obstruction of view & keeping him preoccupied. He's not feinting so he doesn't need to time it.

Well if he does it, he can't exactly attack either and Kakashi is actually a better substitutioner than him. Sharingan will read the substitution handseals anyway unless he does that outside Sharingan's field of vision, so it's not helping him

Not a chance, unless you can show me kakashi spamming kamui snipes consecutively.

I didn't say he would spam Kamui on the Bijuudama. It's only in case he only send one. If it's multiple, he only need to dodge via hiding in the other dimension. And actually Kakashi do can spam Kamui. He used something like 8 Kamuis(including large objects) since he returned back from the battlefield including a off-panel fight with Black Zetsu and that occured after his fight against Obito(so tired)

And that was tired Kakashi(after his battle against Obito)

 

[Draphsin]

These clones are not reaching. He would blast them away with suiton jutsus or lightning wolf

Then that gives bee enough time to reach BM & laungh his bijuudamas, if kakashi doesn't snipe at the beginning of the match then he dies. Gaining distance is only so that bee won't get damaged by his own explosion, if he has to he'll shoot it regardless seeing as he can survive one. Alternately, he can whirlwind once the clones are out, thus giving him a safe distance.

Well if he does it, he can't exactly attack either and Kakashi is actually a better substitutioner than him. Sharingan will read the substitution handseals anyway unless he does that outside Sharingan's field of vision, so it's not helping him

The original isn't attacking, he's gaining as much distance as he can. Kakashi's superiority with bunshins doesn't change anything, there are more of killerbee & creating clones will only be a detriment to him. Plus these clones stick to kakashi so if he doesn't use a long ranged jutsu he gets sealed. He can possibly hide like a mole but using kamui to escape isn't happening, the clone will just come with him.

I didn't say he would spam Kamui on the Bijuudama. It's only in case he only send one. If it's multiple, he only need to dodge via hiding in the other dimension. And actually Kakashi do can spam Kamui. He used something like 8 Kamuis(including large objects) since he returned back from the battlefield including a off-panel fight with Black Zetsu and that occured after his fight against Obito(so tired)

If he hides in the dimension then he loses, bee will just wait him out in full BM & be ready to launch his tbbs. & I said show me kakashi spamming kamui consecutively, I already know he spams it but he needs to take a break between uses still.

And that was tired Kakashi(after his battle against Obito)

A healthy sasuke still got eye strain from using susanoo + amaterasu. Kamui hurts kakashi, unless he can somehow tolerate the pain that comes with using it multiple times in a row then he can't.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi wins. V2 isn't a threat and ink clones are washed away with water wall/shark.

If bee pulls a tbb kakashi ducks it altogether with hiding like mole. Then b gets sniped.

 

[Apêx1]

Lml people make it seem like ink clones are weak despite the fact that they can pull off partial transformations.

 

[Optimistic]

Distance 30m
lariat GG before he can even do it

this is stupid do you know how fast Kamui is?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lml people make it seem like ink clones are weak despite the fact that they can pull off partial transformations.

We already know ink based clones are weak to water. Kakashi is a suiton user....

 

[Apêx1]

We already know ink based clones are weak to water. Kakashi is a suiton user....

Since when is he proficient enough to dispatch all of them with one go? Actually, since when is he proficient enough to even hit one? What are his suiton's speed feats? Bee's ink clones easily dodge or stall long enough for Bee to transform and end.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Since when is he proficient enough to dispatch all of them with one go? Actually, since when is he proficient enough to even hit one? What are his suiton's speed feats? Bee's ink clones easily dodge or stall long enough for Bee to transform and end.

When he shat on zabuza using zabuza's tech's.
Water wall, water vortex and water Dragon have the necessary aoe to end bee's ink clones. You're hyping bee's clones like they have good feats. They've only been showcased once and they failed. If b transforms he gets kamui sniped

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Kamui is way too overrated.​

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[Apêx1]

When he shat on zabuza using zabuza's tech's.
Water wall, water vortex and water Dragon have the necessary aoe to end bee's ink clones. You're hyping bee's clones like they have good feats. They've only been showcased once and they failed. If b transforms he gets kamui sniped

Water wall is if they attempt to run at him without thinking. It's more defensive and is unlikely to catch more than 1. Water vortex required a nearby water source in addition to a massive amount of hand seals. water dragon also had a nearby water source and can't hit more than 1 clone, unless you are willing to claim they will bunch up and attack. If Bee transforms he gets kamui sniped? lml, Kakashi can't Kamui the entire Hachibi, nor can he use kamui without getting sealed by clones in his near vicinity. Only because they failed the 1 time they were shown doesn't make them any weaker than any other clones in the manga.], especially since they can paritally transform.

 

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[BenjerminGaye]

Water wall is if they attempt to run at him without thinking. It's more defensive and is unlikely to catch more than 1. Water vortex required a nearby water source in addition to a massive amount of hand seals. water dragon also had a nearby water source and can't hit more than 1 clone, unless you are willing to claim they will bunch up and attack. If Bee transforms he gets kamui sniped? lml, Kakashi can't Kamui the entire Hachibi, nor can he use kamui without getting sealed by clones in his near vicinity. Only because they failed the 1 time they were shown doesn't make them any weaker than any other clones in the manga.], especially since they can paritally transform.

Thay are in the forest of death. Water sources are readily available. Water wall can be used even if they don't rush him. An early part 2 Kakashi's handseal speed was already considered unreadable. Idk where you got the fact that water Dragon can only hit one. Provide scans saying it's limited to one please.
He doesn't have to kamui the entire hachibi. The head is more than enough.

If the clones just stand there they get destroyed by the aforementioned techniques. If they dodge the water tech not only hits killer b but puts him in line of sight for getting sniped. Their partial transformations are only useful in cqc which you already ruled out of the equation since it means them getting murdered by water wall.


Now kamui snipe is the easy way for me to argue this. I can go into detail as to how he wins without ms altogether. Killer bee fully transformed isn't durable and is liable to get split in half via raiden. Once line of sight is broken(since for some reason that's your argument) kakashi goes into hiding and begins his clone games. Kakashi already showed he can handle a/multiple v2 he has the necessary means to get rid of ink clones, hiding like mole(if he goes deep enough) dodges tbb altogether and keeps him aware of what it's happening above ground. Lightning shadow clone can paralyze bee if he destroys it( he's already been shown getting paralyzed by sasuke's chidori)or lightning beast runner leaving him open for raiden, or raikiri. Effectively ending it.