Guy especially has trouble with unorthodox and unpredictable fighting styles, I believe. He needed Neji to help him take down Drunk Lee. Of course, he wasn't trying to hurt Lee, but at the same time he should have been more than capable of incapacitating a genin by himself.
Simply read the fight against Sasuke. All his speed feats there surpass anything Gai has done in Base. Only thing that might be debatable is reaction speed.
Then we have the fact that he has a Sharingan which easily helps him compensate for a speed advantage just re-read Sasuke vs Naruto vote 1 battle.
What in the world...? Gai didn't defeat Obito in a brawl, he fended Obito off in a short exchange. Obito is not a speedster first of all. Obito was overpowering KCM Naruto because of his fan and physical strength, second of all. Has nothing to do with speed. Nothing you mentioned here is even close to being a notable speed feat.
I guess you're right.
First of all, he defeated Obito because Obito had to disengage from their skirmish, was forced to use Kamui to escape, and resorted to blind-side attack which Gai casually deflected. Moreover, Obito overwhelmed him through a combination of physical strength and reactions. Casually dispatching KCM Naruto's clones and simply rushing up to him and tagging him to overwhelming him with his fan and wrapping him with his chains without reaction are all reactionary feats.
Lmao. Wow.
Your argument hinges on the fact that it hasn't been proven that Obito is a speedster which is a logical fallacy. You have nothing suggesting that Obito is slow and it's quite ridiculous to assume that KCM Naruto couldn't even react to Obito's attacks simply because of strength alone. Simply being capable of reacting to attacks that KCM Naruto struggled to react to places Gai on a higher caliber than KCM Naruto, I'm not even sure how you're denying this. Presuming that Killer Bee is superior in speed and taijutsu is similar to assuming that Killer Bee would've operated just as well as Gai had in that situation which is practically baloney considering KCM Naruto wouldn't have been able to have done so in the first place.
Really? So Obito running straight at KCM Naruto while KCM Naruto couldn't even react at all:
No, it hinges on the fact that Obito has nothing to show that he's a speedster. If you want to assert Gai is a speedster for being able to take out Obito in CQC, even though that ignores the established fact that CQC isn't just speed and reactions, then I highly suggest you show why Obito is a speedster in the first place instead of throwing around the term "logical fallacy" when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about in that regard. :lol
Obito being on the defensive is irrelevant and false. Gai attacked Obito, Obito fended his attack off and then Obito himself moved in to warp Gai with Kamui, but couldn't because he can't solidify while Gai's attacks are on him. None of this changes the fact that the ONLY reaction feat Gai displayed was reacting to Obito's strikes, and that's not special as Obito is not a speedster. Don't try to fluff your argument up.
You should probably stop lying about what happened in the Manga now.
"performing that reaction" Do you even know what a reaction in terms of reaction speed is? Reaction refers to an action made in response to some kind of outside stimulus. None of this is reaction speed. That's just speed. Then we have the fact that Naruto is blatantly shown reacting, but he's in mid air and Obito has already wrapped his chain around him. Reacting isn't the issue, being unable to do anything is the issue.
