[VS] Killer Bee vs EMS Sasuke

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By cutting off his tentacle instead of wailing around. He had no reason to do anything against Sasuke last time when the goal was to pretend like he was beaten, and then escape.

B blocks Amaterasu with his tentacle or hand, cuts one off, leaves his clone behind, comes out and blows Sasuke to bits.

Sasuke would notice him cutting his tentacle, burning also that part with Amaterasu.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke would notice him cutting his tentacle, burning also that part with Amaterasu.

Useless since B is inside the tentacle, and will be protected, so he bursts out with a Bijuu Dama and blows Sasuke up.

 

[Rιver]

Useless since B is inside the tentacle, and will be protected, so he bursts out with a Bijuu Dama and blows Sasuke up.

How is he protected? Then, Sasuke would pierce him with an Enton arrow.

Also, Sasuke can use Aoda to travel underground, after that restrain B and Sasuke finishes him off.

 

[KidGamer65]

How is he protected? Then, Sasuke would pierce him with an Enton arrow.

Because the flame isn't going to burn through the tentacle before B can exit it.

If he does that, before the arrow reaches, B exits in Bijuu Mode and fires his Bijuu Dama, plows through the arrow and kills Sasuke. Or he enters Bijuu Mode, tanks the arrow, and blows Sasuke to bits. The tentacle would be on the ground, which where B's lower body would be when he transformed, so the arrow isn't going to hit any vital spots.

Also, Sasuke can use Aoda to travel underground, after that restrain B and Sasuke finishes him off.

B was punting and throwing Full Bijuu around in his own Bijuu Mode, Aoda isn't retraining him. Aoda gets tossed away, smacked away, or he blows Sasuke and Aoda up with Bijuu Dama.

 

[Rιver]

Because the flame isn't going to burn through the tentacle before B can exit it.

If he does that, before the arrow reaches, B exits in Bijuu Mode and fires his Bijuu Dama, plows through the arrow and kills Sasuke. Or he enters Bijuu Mode, tanks the arrow, and blows Sasuke to bits. The tentacle would be on the ground, which where B's lower body would be when he transformed, so the arrow isn't going to hit any vital spots.

Arrow? More like arrows. He can fire as many as 3 at the same time. One would penetrate lower, other middle and the last upper body. All equipped with Enton and fired with tremendous speed.

You're severely underestimating the speed of those arrows. No one has ever evaded them with foot speed. Kakashi could only go as far as warp them with Kamui, and complimented just Enton arrows to be fast. Current Sasuke shot 3 arrows as fast as Naruto threw Gudo Dama's. So B isn't firing TBB before 3 arrows penetrates B's tentacle.

B was punting and throwing Full Bijuu around in his own Bijuu Mode, Aoda isn't retraining him. Aoda gets tossed away, smacked away, or he blows Sasuke and Aoda up with Bijuu Dama.

Bunta was restraining Shukaku and stopped Kurama in it's tracks. Aoda is not any weaker. So yes, once it's got him in hold it's at least keeping B occupied for as long as Sasuke jumps on his hawk and destroys open B.

 

[Benjamin King]

Sasuke would notice him cutting his tentacle, burning also that part with Amaterasu.

Sasuke told Obito he saw it all with his Sharingan, and failed to see Bee substituting. Even Madara didn't see it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Arrow? More like arrows. He can fire as many as 3 at the same time. One would penetrate lower, other middle and the last upper body. All equipped with Enton and fired with tremendous speed.

Irrelevant, they'll all hit the same place.

1. He can use multiple arrows, but they will all fire in the same direction at the same altitude. He can't make one arrow go up, one arrow go down, and so forth. That makes no sense.

2. Sasuke will be aiming at the tentacle on the ground, thus they'll all go towards the ground. B enters Bijuu Mode after or while the arrows are being fired thus they'll all hit his lower body.

You're severely underestimating the speed of those arrows. No one has ever evaded them with foot speed. Kakashi could only go as far as warp them with Kamui, and complimented just Enton arrows to be fast. Current Sasuke shot 3 arrows as fast as Naruto threw Gudo Dama's. So B isn't firing TBB before 3 arrows penetrates B's tentacle.

I've already shown in a previous post that Bijuu Dama can be prepped and fired just as fast as Susanoo arrow can be prepped and fired, so no, the arrows aren't hitting B before he can fire Bijuu Dama, nor are they hitting him before he can enter Bijuu Mode.

And lol? Kabuto evaded Susanoo arrow. Though evading Susanoo arrows is irrelevant since B doesn't need to evade it, he just needs to overpower it.

This isn't Current Sasuke. So don't mention his feat. Regardless, Naruto fired the Gudo Dama after Sasuke fired the arrows. Don't even know why you bothered to mention that he can fire 3 arrows at once when this isn't Current Sasuke, but its irrelevant either way.

Bunta was restraining Shukaku and stopped Kurama in it's tracks. Aoda is not any weaker. So yes, once it's got him in hold it's at least keeping B occupied for as long as Sasuke jumps on his hawk and destroys open B.

Bunta held a weakened Shukaku in place (Not to mention Shukaku isn't Gyuki, so why are we referencing this? Even then, he couldn't do it for long) and it fell on Kurama and pinned it with its weight, completely different from physically restraining it. So no, Aoda gets tossed away if it tries to restrain him or it gets smacked away, unless you think Aoda is physically stronger than Kokuo, the 5 Tails. Or he counters with Bijuu Dama.

B won't even get restrained unless he stands there and lets Aoda do it.

 

[Rιver]

Sasuke told Obito he saw it all with his Sharingan, and failed to see Bee substituting. Even Madara didn't see it.

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No, he didn't.

Irrelevant, they'll all hit the same place.

1. He can use multiple arrows, but they will all fire in the same direction at the same altitude. He can't make one arrow go up, one arrow go down, and so forth. That makes no sense.

2. Sasuke will be aiming at the tentacle on the ground, thus they'll all go towards the ground. B enters Bijuu Mode after or while the arrows are being fired thus they'll all hit his lower body.

1. No they don't. For example, this explosion covered more than the entire tentacle

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2. ...?

If he fires it, he fires at the tentacle. Don't know what you mean by firing at the ground when he clearly is targeting the tentacle and B can't move in that state. He also needs to go from human to BM. And another arrow or Amaterasu strikes again.

I've already shown in a previous post that Bijuu Dama can be prepped and fired just as fast as Susanoo arrow can be prepped and fired, so no, the arrows aren't hitting B before he can fire Bijuu Dama, nor are they hitting him before he can enter Bijuu Mode.

And lol? Kabuto evaded Susanoo arrow. Though evading Susanoo arrows is irrelevant since B doesn't need to evade it, he just needs to overpower it.

This isn't Current Sasuke. So don't mention his feat. Regardless, Naruto fired the Gudo Dama after Sasuke fired the arrows. Don't even know why you bothered to mention that he can fire 3 arrows at once when this isn't Current Sasuke, but its irrelevant either way.

Can B shoot a Bijuu Dama before Naruto lands Gudo Dama? Didn't think so, lol.

By foot speed? Yeah, nope. He used a snake to evade the arrow 2. That's nothing notable. By foot speed, Kabuto would never evade it.

So? The preparation is faster? Yes. Impact is stronger? Yes. The arrow travels faster? Nope. The arrow travels just as fast as MS Sasuke's. Also, the impact was already at the water. From the scan I posted, look where Sasuke was standing at. The distance wasn't 50/50. More like 70-80/30-20.

Bunta held a weakened Shukaku in place (Not to mention Shukaku isn't Gyuki, so why are we referencing this?) and it fell on Kurama and pinned it with its weight, completely different from physically restraining it. So no, Aoda gets tossed away if it tries to restrain him or it gets smacked away. Or he counters with Bijuu Dama.

B won't even get restrained unless he stands there and lets Aoda do it.

The only Bijuu with notable strength is Kurama, all other are equal. As B and Hachibi himself said, you don't judge a Bijuu by tails. And since when was Shukaku weakened?

Smacked away? You don't smack away a snake. Why? Because it won't roll over. Aoda would take the impact/dodge and restrain B for even 5 seconds and Sasuke is done already.

 

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No, he didn't.

He said that after Obito had already told him his failure. So no, he didn't, and same happens in this match-up.

 

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No, he didn't.

He gives a shit about facts. But it's true.

Amaterasu is still a lot faster than both charging Bijuudama and transforming into the Bijuu. Sasuke sets him on fire and he ends up rolling around of pain again. And then, for KidGamer, who made the valid statement that Sasuke can only manipulate the flames if he or his Chakra are in contact with the flames, Sasuke makes contact with the Hachibi either with his body or through Susanoo, to turn the flames into countless blades piercing his body and cutting all his limbs, which will also burn.

It's a battle of speed, which Hachibi loses.

 

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He said that after Obito had already told him his failure. So no, he didn't, and same happens in this match-up.

So what is your point? He deactivated Sharingan. Sasuke already knows he can split. Sasuke will see it coming.

He gives a shit about facts. But it's true.

Amaterasu is still a lot faster than both charging Bijuudama and transforming into the Bijuu. Sasuke sets him on fire and he ends up rolling around of pain again. And then, for KidGamer, who made the valid statement that Sasuke can only manipulate the flames if he or his Chakra are in contact with the flames, Sasuke makes contact with the Hachibi either with his body or through Susanoo, to turn the flames into countless blades piercing his body and cutting all his limbs, which will also burn.

It's a battle of speed, which Hachibi loses.

Noticed, lol.

 

[KidGamer65]

He gives a shit about facts. But it's true.

Amaterasu is still a lot faster than both charging Bijuudama and transforming into the Bijuu. Sasuke sets him on fire and he ends up rolling around of pain again. And then, for KidGamer, who made the valid statement that Sasuke can only manipulate the flames if he or his Chakra are in contact with the flames, Sasuke makes contact with the Hachibi either with his body or through Susanoo, to turn the flames into countless blades piercing his body and cutting all his limbs, which will also burn.

It's a battle of speed, which Hachibi loses.

Yeah, not before B cuts his tentacle off. Amaterasu keeps being mentioned, yet B can already counter it. So no, he cuts his tentacle, leaves his clone behind and then blows Sasuke up with Bijuu Dama.

 

[Benjamin King]

So what is your point? He deactivated Sharingan. Sasuke already knows he can split. Sasuke will see it coming.

If he deactivated his Sharingan, then Amatersu that was burning Bee could not have bee deactivated upon Sasuke's will. So your point is moot.

Just also wanted to mention that Bee can charge TBB almost instantly:

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KidGamer65's argument is alright. Susgay loses.

 

[Rιver]

If he deactivated his Sharingan, then Amatersu that was burning Bee could not have bee deactivated upon Sasuke's will. So your point is moot.

Just also wanted to mention that Bee can charge TBB almost instantly:

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KidGamer65's argument is alright. Susgay loses.

What is your point? The moment he was already split, B was gone. After that, when B was gone, he deactivated Amaterasu couple of times and deactivated Sharingan right afterwards.

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Did you even look at the scans? And pretty sure KidGamer also agrees that Sasuke will see through the splitting.

 

[Benjamin King]

What is your point? The moment he was already split, B was gone. After that, when B was gone, he deactivated Amaterasu couple of times and deactivated Sharingan right afterwards.

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Did you even look at the scans? And pretty sure KidGamer also agrees that Sasuke will see through the splitting.

So why did you say this:

So what is your point? He deactivated Sharingan.

Sasuke hits Bee with Amatersu, Bee substitutes (which Sasuke doesn't see through), and does what the scan I posted would do. Also, that's assuming Bee would use BM straight away.

I agreed on what KidGamer65 said Bee blows him up with TBB after substitute.

 

[Rιver]

So why did you say this:

Sasuke hits Bee with Amatersu, Bee substitutes (which Sasuke doesn't see through), and does what the scan I posted would do. Also, that's assuming Bee would use BM straight away.

I agreed on what KidGamer65 said Bee blows him up with TBB after substitute.

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The exact reason as to why Sasuke didn't see through the substitution was because he deactivated the Sharingan. If he has his Sharingan activated at all times, what would happen then?

Hope you realized.

 

[ARGUS]

This Susano debate is getting too long. I'm just gonna say it's a partial v2 and get it over with. Don't see how that changes anything imo, it still has the mobility of Ribcage and it still has the durability to stop something as strong as Tsunade's punch.

There is still a difference, since its obvious that a susanoo with backbone and limbs from skeletal susanoo would be larger and more durable than a normal ribcage,

Don't see how that mattered, since they could've been pumping the same amount of chakra. But again, let's just go with partial v2.

Yes, thats correct and im fine with it,
but not the bold, the partial V2 would obviously require greater amount of chakra to be pumped than a normal ribcage,

I saw them all, still fail to see what you are drawing the comparison of v2 and Sakura's punch. Sakura's punch is far more lethal, you failed to address this and repeated what you said before. Already addressed under ground attacks. Again, Bee's attacks aren't comparable to Sakura, or Sakura's superior. I agreed on partial v2, these arguments are no longer valid either.

you have not shown me any of sakura or tsunades punches, show me and ill gladly agree
secondly AOE =/= Strength especially when it comes to a mere punch,
@Bold - but i guess this is getting a bit out of topic, and just long, im happy to move on from this,

Okay.

Ight, I really don't see what it's changing, so let's just see where this takes us.


I showed you the difference between Madara's Susano and Sasuke's. Start reading what I say or don't respond at all. I'm gonna requote myself, as it is clear as day that the ribs are what defend the user, thus without the ribs, the user is vulnerable to attacks;
"If there are no Ribs covering the user himself, Susano doesn't act like much of a defence, it becomes gaseous chakra form which can easily be bypassed. In the scan you showed, it is clearly the case. The entire fron is completely open and its gaseous chakra form is abundant. I know you will say "no", but then I'll show you this [

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]. Madara would close the ribs where the lava was closer to the middle, and leave them open where the lava was further away from the centre. Why? Well it's clear, he doesn't want the lava to touch his real body. Hence, Sasuke's Susano was only beaten because the Sution bypassed the ribs which didn't engulf him." Susano wasn't busted, the ribs simply didn't defend Sasuke against an attack they weren't protecting him from.

I read this exact part of ur quote, and i responded to it, yet you think that i didnt even read it, smh
First of all the scan that you have showed, compleltely contradicts ur point,
Ays punch is attacking this ''gaseous'' part of madaras susanoo yet the susanoo tanks his attack completely,
why would a user have a shield thats completely open???? there is no point whatsoever to it,
why would someone with the intellect of sasuke attack kabuto from the front but opening his shield only from the front?? which where kabutos attackk is coming from??? but covering the other parts of his body?? this makes no sense whatsoever,

by that logic the whole purpose of a riibcage susanooo is moot

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yet the same susanoo protected sasuke from Ays attack, despite the fact that Ays lateral chop connected with this ''gaseous part of chakra''
the susanoo covers the user completely and there is no gaseous part of susanoo, the defense is pure solid,
this is further emphasisd

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so ur point on susanoo being wide open is just wrong, especially when the defense is completely solid in the chakra part of the susanoo,
and the fact that

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the bottom right panel clearly shows that the suiton bypassed ribcage, the susanoo was perfectly protecting sasuke, as shown that the so called gaseous part is still solid and protects the user compeltely, and if you still disagree then watch the anime if you want to understand this even more

Yes, Base Bee overwhelmed a tired MS Sasuke on his first usage of MS, and team Taka which are a bunch of fodders (apart from one who could survive Bee's TBB laser).
He can, but he can't evade the amateratsu and Enton, which this entire argument is about.

He removes the chakra part thats affected by the flames to get rid of them, or he can easily change his state from V1 to V2, or base to V1, to get rid of the flames,
and he has the speed to be able to dodge enton,

Incorrect, Tsunade's base punch is this [

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]. It's clear as day that Tsunade's punch is stronger in base due to her greater pure strength, she cause the ground to diverge through a single finger, Sakura's natural strength doesn't compare. Tsunade has always been stated to have the greatest chakra control, so at the very least, she replicates Sakura's strength feat, which is by far greater than anything v1 or v2 Bee have ever done. Yet, she still could only crack the partial v2. And my bad, I mistakingly thought of the Jublings that were next to Bunta. Either way, I don't see how that changes anything since v2's strongest strength feat is less than 1/50th of this. Don't forget that when v2 smashed into Kisame, he was barely thrown back let alone caused a shockwave, yet when Sakura punches someone, an insanely large shockwave occurs if there was little resistance to it [

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Lol how is that tsunades base punch when her byakugou is active in the scan??
either compare both of their base punches or both of their byakugous punches, bcz you are just wrong,
this is

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, this punch is easily in the same ballpark as Tsunades, especially when the

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, and the fact that she doesnt need to use it to look younger means that she can use more chakra in her punches,
there iis not much difference between tsunade and sakura and its clear as day,
one has slightly superrior base strength whilst the other can focus more chakra in her punches,
and Lol, the fact that sakura has awakened her byakugou and kept her chakra focused on one point for all this time should be evident enough that her chakra control is just as good as tsunade,
they are on par with each other, and this should be established to everyone by now

and Lol, what are you on about,

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, his entire chest is blown off, and this is someone whose body is far more durable than Sasuke,

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, a V2 lariat will just do worse,

and why are you bringing AOE into punches???? this is pure blunt force, they dont have an explosive damage,

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, doesnt mean that her technique is any weaker
ur logic is even more flawed when we see Ay bust the ribcage with his lateral chop, which again had no shockwaves or a large AOE,

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, being tanked by a ribcage,

V2 cloaks mere swings were creating a shockwave that eradicated thousand snakes of orochimaru in one-shot,
Base Bees attacks are superior to Ays, which busted ribcage susanoo,
a cloaked bees attacks are only going to be even stronger, meaning that ribcage obviously gets wrecked,

How does having a stronger lariat imply a stronger striking strength, when the strike that Ay used was a lateral chop, made to penetrate? That's like saying because you can lift more than Mike Tyson, or push him away from you instead of let him push you, that your punch is stronger than his. It's a completele fail analogy, as strength comes from kinetic linking, speed and pure strength. But in Ay's case, it comes from all these with the added bonus of penetrative attack and a superior speed.

@Bold - Lol wtf
the stronger ur attacks, the greater the damage
striking strength is directly proportional to fkn strength, anyone with commmon sense should be able to understand this, and strength has got nothing to do with speed,

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and you are also wrong about Ays lateral chop being a ''penetrating'' it has a piercing effect, there is a difference,
and again, Ay having the benefit of speed doesnt mean that his attacks are stronger than bee,
speed has nothing to do with strength as shown above and through common sense

Bee overpowering Ay in their lariats when they reached a standstill merely implied he had a stronger balance and more powerful neck/lats/chest. None of this would imply his actual punch is more powerful. I said this is partial v2, and have shown Partial v2's feats. He isn't getting past it if Tsunade didn't, end of story.Never said that, I said 1/100th, and it's completely true unless you can prove otherwise.

@Bold Lol - i really hope ur joking, because this is just sig worthy,

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, just means that his attacks are fkn stronger, it has nothing to do with balance when the whole encounter proved that bees strength is superior to Ays,
any one with common sense can understand this,

and as for the rest, why are you bringing madara and tsunade here, wheen we are talking about sasuke and killer bee, sasukes susanoo was busted by attacks that are weaker than what bee can dish out, meaning that a stronger cloaked bee or even hachibi bee, can easily bust it,

Yea, made a mistake on two different types of Juublings.
The didn't cover the entire field, they simply covered a large portion in front of Naruto. Doesn't change anything though, given snakes bear a low mass and are easily pushed away with a regular Futon, let alone a shockwave. I fail to see the amazing strength feat here, unless the snakes had some form of durability, or an actual explosion was shown where one could scale its AOE.
That's completely different and fallacious. Hence the strength she used was that crater I showed you earlier, which couldn't cause 1/1000th of the shockwave I showed in Byakugo.
1. Tsunade wasn't using her Byakugo to enhance strength.

2. Orochimaru said his body was rejecting him soon, hence why he left.
3. Tsunade, without the Byakugo, knocked him out briefly, whereas v2 Naruto failed to do that against a body that was rejecting Oro. [

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1. thhe scan yu showed involved tsunade in her byakugou,
and the entire scans regarding the madara fight involved tsunades punches forming no shockwaves whatsoever, does that mean her byakugou attacks are weaker than her non-byakugou sakuras? no it doesnt,

2. Lol, Orochimaru would have been killed completely,

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, V2 bee with greater chakra, and greater control would definitely be able to do the same, this time itll just be worse,

3. and Lol Orochimaru resorting to fleeing against KN4 is clearly evident enough that he stood no chance whatsoever,
however againstt tsunades punches, his body was just as bad as how it was against KN4, infact it was even worse since he was waiting for sasuke during that time, and even then, he still continued to fight against her and jiraiya,
i think its clear that a V2 beast is superior to the likes of sannin in terms of portrayal

and i dont see why you are bringing this up every time, lets move on, because its not even related to this fight,

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], the lava has gone atop of the Susano, thus it was covered from the bottom. Yea, partial v2.

You didn't establish it, you simply claimed it blindly. If Orochimaru was capable of jumping away without pre-cognition and an eye which sees the attack, Sasuke does so too with a lower level of difficulty. So no, Susano's mobility is no different as it simply is chakra around the user, by no means is it going to make him heavier if he he has shown to run with it.

how the hell is that the bottom of the susanoo???
thats clearly the front of the susanoo that madara has covered with skeletal ribs,
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he never covered the bottom of the susnaoo, he only enhanced the defense itself,

and no, susanoos mobility is lower than the user itself, its common sense,
ur logic is just like saying that the kurama avatar is just as fast as BSM narutos shunshin in his human form since they are both just chakra around the user, thats not how it works,

Incorrect, Susano users can use ninjutsu within the Susano and move as they please within it. And once again, incorrect. Sasuke actually can use his sword rom within his Susano, somehow [

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]. Thus he extends the range with Enton and begins ****ing shit up. And how was Gai being kept up with, because he was being outnumbered and at a disadvantage? Fallacious, his speed was shown to be vastly greater [

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I never stated tht sasuke would be unable to use his ninjutsu inside his susanoo,
especially when his ninjutsu doesnt require any real movement,
so i dont see why you have brought this entire point up,

Here [

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], here Sasuke reached Sakura before Naruto could, whereas the former, they were running at an equal speed despite Sasuke using Amateratsu. [x] Here Sasuke jumps on v1 Bee's back to dodge his attack [

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] Sasuke shows that he can perceive Juubito's speed with his EMS. It's a joke to think v2 is too much for EMS Sasuke, Lol.

Lol their attacks reached their target at pretty much exactly the same time, ur example is moot especially seeing how their targets for their attacks were different,

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its common sense,

and @Bold - Lol, sasuke had a good rest after the itachi fight, dont bring up such BS here, plz
and Lol again, i never stated that bee would blitz sasuke, only that his V2 state would be faster than sasukes susanoo, there is a big difference

Once again, you are running away from this completely. Show me scans of v1 cloak stopping Amateratsu's flames. I just showed you Juubito's body burning, you think v2>Juubito? You don't realise that all Bijuu are composed of chakra, thus Sasuke's amateratsu wouldn't burn through Hachibi, yet was stated by Hachibi himself to have the ability to kill him? Amateratsu burns through him like it burned through the Katon. You just ran away from this argument which I provided scans for completely. Don't pull a Bogard bro.

Lol im not running away from anything at all, ur point on juubiito is completely moot since juubitos body is still composed of flesh, just how the full hachibis body is,
Chakra on the other hand is replaceable and controllable by the user, bee can literally replace the chakra thats affected by the flames meaning that any of that chakra is just dropped and would therefore be removed from the user,
thus countering the flames
bee can also amp his shroud which would enable him to get rid of the flames, due to the chakra iitself getting replaced, its almost like oral rebirth since the user would literally get a new body, and any property of the layer of the old body is discarded,

all bijuus have chakra, but that doesnt mean that their outside is chakra, that is horrible logic,
the kuraam avatar is clearly composed of chakra, however the hachibi itself is flesh, that should be evident for you by now

He managed to stop his striking speed. Sasuke also managed to hit Ay when Ay was attempting an elbow, which are known for being faster than standard punches. So Ay's striking speed isn't that special, given MS Sasuke couls easily dodge it at point blank.

V1 Ay sure however,

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whether Ays speed is reacted to or not, his speed itself is still faster than sasukes, the latter simply has better tracking speed and reflexes now,

Yea, that's a nice reaction feat. Don't see how that puts him anyone near Ay or KCM Naruto's level of shunshin. Running speed? Maybe, but that's still slower than Sasuke. Imo, he doesn't have the sped feats to make an argument of being superior to KCM Naruto's speed at all, not even close. If v1 was dodged by a tired out MS Sasuke, then v2 is dodged by a fully fit EMS Sasuke.

Shunshin wiise maybe not, but reflexes and reaction wise, yes,
especially seeing how it was base bee,
how on earth is that slower than sasuke? and since when has sasuke even come close to KCM naruto interms of speed, thats a joke,
and again, for the triillionth time i never stated that sasuke would get blitzed, you are bringing the same thing over and over again when it has no relevance at all

Then again, if Bee attempts BM, he gets an Amateratsu to the face, thus he can't use TBB since he's screaming in agony. I have already demonstrated this earlier.

No he doesnt,

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, and then uses TBB barrages to eradicate sasuke and nuke him offf the planet, as none of his susanoos here stand any chance against such firepower

Kyuubi is controlling Naruto when he is rampaging, so it is controlled, simply not by Naruto.
Never claimed it was, I am saying the chakra of a beats is directly proportional with the power of his TBB. Naruto can tank his own TBB since his durability is made form the same extremely potent chakra. If v2 Bee where to attempt to tank v2 Naruto's TBB, he'd die. That's my point, Kurama v2's durability>>>
What? That makes no sense. v2 is a manifestation of chakra on the jin's body like Susano is a manifestation of chakra on the Sharingan wielder's body. There's no difference, they both are covering themselves with their own chakra, your analogy of Madara, who isn't covered by chakra being capable of tanking something like that is fallacious.

Nope, thats just like saying that the juubi is controlling itself, but it was outright stated that juubito himself is superior to the juubi,
the manga has made it blatantly clear that when the tailed beasts power is properly controlled the results are better, V2 bee is superior to KN4 due to possessing greater control and chakra,
i would however state that KN6 is superior due to its TBB, thats why im not using any of its feats to bee

and as foor the bold, nope, KN6 tanked the TBB and the huge BT boulder and still was just fine,
its completely debatable whether bee would tank it, however ur statement of bee dying from it doesntt seem right,
not that it matters since none of sasukes attacks come even remotely close to

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so sasuke hurting V2 bee alone is a tough task for him, when his only real chance of doing so is the V3 or V4 susanoo slashes which get dodged by bee,

Said it before, I'll say it again. When one flame is hotter than another, it pushes the other flame back [

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]. When Amateratsu was used, it didn't push the flame back rapidly, it literally ate through it [

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]. I already showed yuo Juubito's body burning along with Hachibi's, you can't ignore from this.
The Katon's were simply not powerful enough to burn chakra, Amateratsu>>>>>> So stop trying to compare Katon and Amateratsu, since one continuously burns at a massive temperature, whereas the other briefly burns at a moderate temperature.

I have already addressed this same point over and over again,
juubtos body is flesh not chakra, therefore ur example is not valid,
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, whether amaterasu eats fire or not, it still has the same damage as any other flame and has the same properties apart from the fact that its inextinguishable,
i dont see why thee V1 cloak wont be able to repel the flames
replacing the shroud or getting rid of the chakra part thats affected is not even needded.

and Lol amaterasu has a very slow burning effect, meaning that the attack can get repelled at the early stages rather easily as i dont see how chakra can be burnt in the first place that alone is something you have failed to address,
not that it matters since bee has other counters to amatearsu as well, which i have stated throughout this debate

Once again, no. Amateratsu covered the entire BM of Hachibi if you ever cared to look at the scans I posted. BM>>>>>v2 in size. Shroud isn't replaceable if a Biju sized Amateratsu is used, and if he replaces it, it means he removed his entire cloak. If he removed his entire cloak, it means he's lost 14 tails worth of chakra.

how is an entire cloak worth 14 tails? Lol,
if bee is in V1, he goes V2 to get riid of the flames, if hes in base he goes to V1,
if hes in V2, he goes to hachibi, and then nukes him off the planet with TBB
or if hes in V2, he can simply go back to V1, which would also get rid of the flames

No, I showed you its properties. Learn to read. You can clearly see his body melting on the left side of our perspective. Hence the sizzling effect, which is him regenerating.

Body =/= Chakra for the billionth time,

But that's assuming the tails aren't affected at all? That's assuming Sasuke doesn't start launching Enton arrows when Bee is burning from Amateratsu and screaming in agony? That's assuming he can, since the last time he did so, he only could because Sasuke cut his tentacle for him, whereas Hachibi couldn't even attempt it. manga showed he couldn't, so he can't, unless he isn't under the influence of Amateratsu, which won't ever be the case when in BM.

Enton arrows are dodged from cloaked bee,

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any other entons are evaded with ease,

amaterasu gets countered by replacing the shroud, followed by bee blowing sasuke away with whirlwind, and then nuking him off the planet with TBB barrages

Doesn't change anything. Bijuu's are made of chakra, not flesh and bones etc. Their original creation is chakra entirely, but the chakra was given a animal like form, hence they cannot be killed, and even if they were to be killed, the chakra comes back in their animal like bodies. Hachibi said it was a close one while talking to Bee, hence his body could've been completely burned.
Cool, Katon=/=Enton so point is moot.
Enton cannot be repelled, false analogy and fail analogy, since you're completely ignoring everything ever shown about Enton to make it seem like a normal Katon that doesn't die out.
And? Unless Bee has Deva or Preta, what's the point you are trying to make? Either say how he does it, or don't bring it up at all.

Bijuus outside layer is flesh, apart from the kuraam avatar, all of their bodies are composed of flesh itself not chakra,
its common sense,
the hachibi canonically counterd the flames, bee literally used it as an opportunity to run away from the village
enton can be repelled thats why i showed you the scan of nagato repelling it with ST, and blind madara repelling it

Show scans or don't argue this anymore. Show me a scan of any jin ever being capable of removing their shrouds selectively bar the Juubi. Incorrect. Enton isn't that fast, but Amateratsu is unavoidable by anyone since it follows what sasuke is looking at. Are you willing to claim Bee is faster than Sasuke can perceive? I think not, so point is moot. Amateratsu=/=Enton.
So? The same arrow which was quicker than TBB [

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] and Kakashi could only evade with Kamui? The same arrow Danzo, who had a sharingan, could barely perceive? Nice.. So no, show me feats of Bee evading anything this fast, or don't try to argue that he does. And when I say feats, I mean specific scans of him dodging any attack close to this.

Yup.

first of all Kakashi and Danzo are both slower than Bee, and

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, which has

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then cloaked bee will definitely evade it
i dont see why you bring up danzo when his speed is nowhere near bees, and its just compeltely moot here
not to mention that even if bee gets hit, his V2 shroud should be able to tank,

as for the shroud, i have explained it to you several times that chakra can be controlled and replaced upon the users will, bee can simply get rid of any part of his shroud thats hit by the flames,
its common sense,

 

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Yeah, not before B cuts his tentacle off. Amaterasu keeps being mentioned, yet B can already counter it. So no, he cuts his tentacle, leaves his clone behind and then blows Sasuke up with Bijuu Dama.

This will be repeated until Hachibi has no tails left. Hachibi already mentioned, that Amaterasu did cost him a lot of tails. What's cutting his limb off actually good for? He cuts off his limb, leaving Base Bee inside the tentacle while self being disabled by the flames. And there we'll have Base Bee again.

And apropos, Sasuke did delete the flames, leaving Bee or Bee's clone behind. If the flame continued to burn, Hachibi may couldn't substitute.

Why didn't Hachibi by himself cut off his limb? Because the flame caused such a pain that he was rolling of pain.

Either way, Amaterasu IS faster. He won't use a Bijuudama while rolling around of pain. Simply not.

In the end, even the Sandaime Raikage beat the Hachibi until he felt down of exhaustion. Is Sandaime more durable than v4 Susanoo? Surely not. And he seemingly had no problems with a Bijuu using such a Bijuudama. Suigetsu blocked the Bijuudama with a wall of water. Itachi's Susanoo on the other hand blocked a mountain busting flash.

Let's get not ahead of ourselves with saying, Hachibi simply blows him away. Sasuke has various way to not let it happen or probably even avoid it.

 

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The exact reason as to why Sasuke didn't see through the substitution was because he deactivated the Sharingan. If he has his Sharingan activated at all times, what would happen then?

Hope you realized.

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Sasuke didn't have his Sharingan deactivated, as he later deactivated Amatersu just after Bee substituted. Or you're saying Sasuke can activate and deactivate Amatersu without Sharingan? Hope not.

 

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Sasuke didn't have his Sharingan deactivated, as he later deactivated Amatersu just after Bee substituted. Or you're saying Sasuke can activate and deactivate Amatersu without Sharingan? Hope not.

No, he didn't. When B substitutes, he has to cut his tentacle off. Basic knowledge. However, the one to do that job for him was Sasuke

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. At that time, as you can see, his Sharingan was deactivated. As the tentacle sank to the bottom of the lake

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, Sasuke activated his Sharingan momentarily and deactivated them immediately after due to the stress to extinguish the flames

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. But by these times, as you could already see B was long gone.