[VS] Killer Bee vs EMS Sasuke

[RustledJimmies]

No that's because the Juubi's laser cut it off..You can see Kurama's tails as well

Yeah, just noticed, you're correct Lol

*awaits KG*

 

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Gyūki cut his own tentacle when Madara extracted the bijuu.

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[Haizaki]

Gyūki cut his own tentacle when Madara extracted the bijuu.

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Yeah true...Unless it can do that without spreading the fire to that tentacle which isn't possible.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke manipulated the Enton that was already on the ice, which was a distance away from him (since Amateratsu spawns). Being able to deactivate Amateratsu flames after they have already burned through a target is a form of Enton, and both Itachi and Sasuke can use this weaker and simpler form of Enton, thus the flames always carry a connection with the user.

It was on his hand. He spawned it on his hand and then used Kagutsuchi to extend it, putting out the flames is not a form of Kagutsuchi unless you want to tell me that Itachi can use Kagutsuchi, which is false. Applying shape manipulation to the flame is Kagutsuchi, not putting them out.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't remember using the V3 Susano'o Nardo helped him create, I'm talking about his own version with Enton blade using Enton blade, which he created on his own, and again, as soon as Bee drops the tentacle, it will be plain obvious for Sasuke where Bee is, so he can go straight to the tentacle's direction before Bee comes out, as soon as he comes out, he gets cut, that simple. If he doesn't, then Sasuke cuts the tenacle along with Bee.

You mentioned his feat of jumping from the ground to the tree. Which is the Susanoo he used after getting Naruto's chakra.

Like I said, he'd have to reach it first. B can enter Bijuu Mode instantly, Sasuke can't cross that distance instantly, so he's not going to reach the tentacle and cut it up before B can enter his Bijuu Mode. Knowing doesn't change the fact he'd have to get there and attack.

Once again, Sasuke can go before he comes out of the tentacle and hit him as soon as he comes out, I already proved how fast it is, it's you who needs to prove Bee is fast enough to react to it and then grab his Susano'o without getting his arm cut by Enton blade. And he can pierce Bee and then bisect him vertically (don't reallly know a better way to explain it), inb4 you say he won't get pierced because he survived a Bijuu Dama, Five tails' horn already pierced him in canon [

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You "proved" it by using a feat from a Kyuubi Chakra enhanced Susanoo, which Sasuke doesn't have here. So I'm seeing nothing that leads me to believe that Sasuke's Susanoo will blitz B before he can react. B has 9 Tentacles, all larger than Sasuke's Susanoo, he can't cut them all at one time thus his Susanoo gets smacked away or caught. Or he just fires Bijuu Dama and calls it a day.

Never said he wouldn't get pierced, I said he wouldn't get bisected, and no feat from Sasuke's Complete Susanoo shows that he can do that.

Could you please explain me the bold ? I'm not sure I get it.

Oh damn, I thought I posted the scan. My bad. Lol.

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[wael reda]

If I'm correct, Didn't B only have the chance to escape because of what happened here:

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no, bee can do that on his own

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whatever, once bee entres BM ,he would win
even if sasuke cough hachibi with amatrasu, he can kill sasuke with 4 or 5 bijudomas ,then cut one of hachibi tails like he did in this scan, and finally get out through this cut tail

bee wins high diff

 

[Unorthodox]

O let me in this debate i wanna own someone

 

[RustledJimmies]

You mentioned his feat of jumping from the ground to the tree. Which is the Susanoo he used after getting Naruto's chakra.

Are we implying that Sasuke's Susano'o needs Nardo's chakra to be able to jump ? Lol let's not be ridiculous now.

Like I said, he'd have to reach it first. B can enter Bijuu Mode instantly, Sasuke can't cross that distance instantly, so he's not going to reach the tentacle and cut it up before B can enter his Bijuu Mode. Knowing doesn't change the fact he'd have to get there and attack.

Let me make it more simple :

>Sasuke preps Enton blade/arrow while firing Amaterasu
>Bee cuts his tentacle (which Sasuke notices)
>Sasuke jumps in the tentacle's direction (If Sasuke decides to go to the cutting Bee down route instead of arrow)
>Bee comes out of the tentacle
>gets cut down by Enton blade or sniped by Enton arrow

Also, whenever Bee came out of his tentacle, he came out in base, not in BM, so he still has to enter BM, react to the attack fast enough and grab him or use Bijuu Hachimaki (which requires him to "surround" himself in the tentacles and then spin), all before Sasuke swings his sword or until the arrow reaches him, which takes a split second.

You "proved" it by using a feat from a Kyuubi Chakra enhanced Susanoo, which Sasuke doesn't have here. So I'm seeing nothing that leads me to believe that Sasuke's Susanoo will blitz B before he can react.

What Lol ? Kyuubi cloak only increases the power and size of the attacks, not their speed, and this isn't even a speed feat, he merely jumped, or are you implying Nardo's cloak increases his "jump feats" ? Don't be silly.

B has 9 Tentacles, all larger than Sasuke's Susanoo, he can't cut them all at one time thus his Susanoo gets smacked away or caught.

So ? I never said he would cut them, I only said his hand would get cut in case he tried to stop Sasuke with it, and what does it matter that the tentacle's are bigger than Susano'o ? The Juubi clones were also much bigger than Susano'o, yet they got cleanly cut in half, not like Bee will be in BM after he comes out of the tentacle anyway.

Or he just fires Bijuu Dama and calls it a day.

Yeah, because he will get out of the tentacle, go BM, react to Sasuke's attack (arrow or blade), charge a Bijuu Dama and fire it before Sasuke swings his sword or fires a arrow that travels great distances in a split second.

Never said he wouldn't get pierced, I said he wouldn't get bisected, and no feat from Sasuke's Complete Susanoo shows that he can do that.

Then he pierces Bee, and swings his sword vertically while his blade is inside Bee, cutting him in half, if that doesn't work, then he pierces Bee with Enton blade/arrow, leaving Bee temporarily immobilised with the pain and then controls the blade/arrow to create some

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, thus piercing and killing Bee from the inside. This is all assuming Bee goes BM fast enough before Sasuke's attack lands, which is highly unlikely.

Oh damn, I thought I posted the scan. My bad. .

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Uhh, he is in full BM there, that isn't a partial transformation. Honestly, I don't even see how this is helping Bee here

O let me in this debate i wanna own someone

Just quote someone defending Bee.

 

[Unorthodox]

Are we implying that Sasuke's Susano'o needs Nardo's chakra to be able to jump ? Lol let's not be ridiculous now.



Let me make it more simple :

>Sasuke preps Enton blade/arrow while firing Amaterasu
>Bee cuts his tentacle (which Sasuke notices)
>Sasuke jumps in the tentacle's direction (If Sasuke decides to go to the cutting Bee down route instead of arrow)
>Bee comes out of the tentacle
>gets cut down by Enton blade or sniped by Enton arrow

Also, whenever Bee came out of his tentacle, he came out in base, not in BM, so he still has to enter BM, react to the attack fast enough and grab him or use Bijuu Hachimaki (which requires him to "surround" himself in the tentacles and then spin), all before Sasuke swings his sword or until the arrow reaches him, which takes a split second.



What Lol ? Kyuubi cloak only increases the power and size of the attacks, not their speed, and this isn't even a speed feat, he merely jumped, or are you implying Nardo's cloak increases his "jump feats" ? Don't be silly.



So ? I never said he would cut them, I only said his hand would get cut in case he tried to stop Sasuke with it, and what does it matter that the tentacle's are bigger than Susano'o ? The Juubi clones were also much bigger than Susano'o, yet they got cleanly cut in half, not like Bee will be in BM after he comes out of the tentacle anyway.



Yeah, because he will get out of the tentacle, go BM, react to Sasuke's attack (arrow or blade), charge a Bijuu Dama and fire it before Sasuke swings his sword or fires a arrow that travels great distances in a split second.



Then he pierces Bee, and swings his sword vertically while his blade is inside Bee, cutting him in half, if that doesn't work, then he pierces Bee with Enton blade/arrow, leaving Bee temporarily immobilised with the pain and then controls the blade/arrow to create some

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, thus piercing and killing Bee from the inside. This is all assuming Bee goes BM fast enough before Sasuke's attack lands, which is highly unlikely.



Uhh, he is in full BM there, that isn't a partial transformation. Honestly, I don't even see how this is helping Bee here



Just quote someone defending Bee.

ima get kifflom iv been owning him

 

[Apêx1]

It was on his hand. He spawned it on his hand and then used Kagutsuchi to extend it, putting out the flames is not a form of Kagutsuchi unless you want to tell me that Itachi can use Kagutsuchi, which is false. Applying shape manipulation to the flame is Kagutsuchi, not putting them out.

True, his hand made contact with it.

But it is. Itachi did use Kagutuschi, he simply never got as far as Sasuke with it. It's rather clear to all it has the -ton suffix, like all nature elements. You can't use Enton without an ending, yet all the endings displayed that manipulate the black flames are Kagutsuchi (by Sasuke). All Kagutsuchi's are done with the right eye, and it shows noticeable strain. When Sasuke turned off the flames from Karin, it was his right eye that once again, showed strain [

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]. He wouldn't have required his right eye to put them out had it not been a form of Kagutsuchi in the way it was there, he's

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here and

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, Kagutsuchi is always utilised with the right eye. Even Tobirama demonstrated that he's seen it before [

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]. Seems to me like every Amateratsu user has a form of Enton that comes along Amateratsu itself.

 

[ARGUS]

But it is, as shown again with Madara bearing the same features, it's simply an EMS type Ribcage [

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]. Ribcage's size depends on the amount of chakra manifested into it, more so for EMS users due to their ability to manipulate Susano at will. I've shown you Itachi's chakra arm too, it was much larger than this one, yet he was in v1, don't see the point in it, v1 and v2 are extremely distinguishable. And again, it is based on the amount of chakra he exerts into it, since it's a manifestation of chakra. Again, Sasuke has shown to do it even against Kabuto, albeit on a slightly weaker scale [

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I dont think you fully understand the difference between ribcage and V2,
you are using a ribcage that is part V2 susanoo as the backbone and skeletal arms are still a property of V2 susanoo,
when you want to compare the Ribcage susnaoo between EMS and MS then use a proper ribcage, not a ribcage which involves limbs from V2 susanoo, because then ofc it'll be bigger and more durable

an EMS user such as

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is no different to an MS user such as

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therefore there is no such indication that EMS changes the properties of ribcage, and the Bold in your statement simply contradicts your point even more, since it all depends on the amount of chakra the user pumps in,,

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so ur point on EMS Sasukes ribcage alll of a sudden being dramatically strong enough to tank V2 bees attacks let alone overwhelm him, is nothing but wrong, when there has been no indication nor any feats of EMS ribcage being vastly superior to MS riibcage,

Incorrect, Tsunade's strength is far superior to Bee, and can create shockwaves with mere punches like Sakura on a larger scale. What are Bee's pure strength feats to come close to such a thing? I'll answer that for you, he has none to compare.

You clearly didnt read my scans at all did you,

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and the

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, and this is an entity thats inferior to V2 bee since it cant control its power, and has fewer tails therefore less chakra,

V2 Bee is faster, and unlike tsunade or sakura,

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and Bee can easily attack sasukes susanoo repeatedly to bust it, not that it matters since a V2 lariat from bee will easily bust ribcage, when Kabutos suiton and Ays lateral chops managed to do the same thing,

Again, the amount of chakra you exert into a Susano is what its manifestation looks like. We can pull scans to support smaller and larger v1's all day, fact remains that Susano is a manifestation of chakra, thus the more you put into it the larger and thicker its armour grows. Either way, EMS has shown greater versatility with RIbcage, causing random extensions of it and using partial shields of it like Madara did.

All EMS has shown is the flexibility for the user to pump more chakra due to no drawbacks of using their eyes,
and @Bold -

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, so ur claim of only EMS being capable of doing this is wrong, (i could bring even more scans for this)

you are completely contradicting urself,you say that its V1, but then you bring up scans of ribcage that has the limbs of V2, that doesnt make it a ribcage susnanoo then, and then you say that its a manifestation of chakra, but then u bring the notion of EMS ribcage being strong enough to overwhelm a V2 beast, when the same ribcage failed to tank much weaker attacks

You showed me that you don't know how v1 works. If there are no Ribs covering the user himself, Susano doesn't act like much of a defence, it becomes gaseous chakra form which can easily be bypassed. In the scan you showed, it is clearly the case. The entire fron is completely open and its gaseous chakra form is abundant. I know you will say "no", but then I'll show you this [

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]. Madara would close the ribs where the lava was closer to the middle, and leave them open where the lava was further away from the centre. Why? Well it's clear, he doesn't want the lava to touch his real body. Hence, Sasuke's Susano was only beaten because the Sution bypassed the ribs which didn't engulf him.

Nope, Sasukes Susanoo was covered with the defense, you can clearly see the chakra layer,
and again, you are wrong about the susanoo, when its clear that madaras susanoo has some partial properties of V2 susanoo, seein how it has the bones and vertebrae which are features of V2
and what is this BS of gaseous?? the colour is a clear representation that there is a layer of defense, and susanoo being a gas is just wrong, seeeing how its clear as day that its solid, hence why its a defensive shield,
if its a mere gas then the whole point of susanoo is moot, since every attack will just go through the gap between the ribs which is clearly not the case,

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, its clear as day that kabutos suiton busted his ribcage, i doont see why thats so hard to accept

Decreases the mobility of the user based on what? It simply means the user cannot attack with his own striking speed, but the Susano's, which is also impressive as I showed earlier. I don't see where it was ever implied to slow down the user imo.

@Bold - based on common, sense, do you seriosuly think that susanoos striking speed and mobility is the same as sasuke Lol, thats absurd,
first of all no user has shown to be able to use shunshin in susanoo secondly attacking a slow person like danzo doesnt prove anything at alll, it just makes ur post look bad since u are comparing a V2 jin to someone like Danzo,
hell even Base Bee was overwhelming Sasuke and the entire taka completely,
cloaked bee can evade the attacks of ribcage to V3 susanoo with utmost ease,

Susano tanked Tsunade's punches, which are implicatively far superior to Sakura's since she has greater chakra control and natural strength, whereas Sakura only possess the former. Sakura's punch caused this [

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], note that each of the Juubi clones is about the size, if not larger than Gamabunta. Bee could only dream of accomplishing 1/100th of this explosion, and Tsunade is superior to Sakura. Don't forget Tsunade casually smashed legged Susano's to the ground, yet could only manage to crack the Susano with a punch. This notion of v2 Lariat somehow comparing to Tsunade is ridiculous man.

There is really not much difference between Sakura and Tsunade as of now, that should be evident
and @Bold - wrong,

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, and we can see the

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them being bigger than gamabutna is a joke

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, the juublings that sakura punched being bigger than gamabunta is a joke

and again, we are talking about sasukes susanoo here, which was cracked by Ay, whose striking strenght is inferior to base bees, why would cloaked bee be unable to bust ribcage??
furthermore bee only having 1/1000th of tsunades strenght is joke.

The scan you linked showed a small shockwave happen several meters away from his Bunshin. I don't see the big deal in that, the only thing impressive was his swipe which killed off the snakes, but even then, it's not 1/100th of Tsunade's power. Thos snakes added up didn't add up to a Bunta size, and I showed you how Sakura's punch dwarfed Bunta sized things/entities. How is it inferior to v2 Bee, when its chakra is much more powerful and potent, especially back then when its chakra was highly malicious? Only difference is the greater amount of tails, but the difference isn't that big to say its punch will jump from that level to anything greater than twice its power.[/B]

I have already debunked ur claim on juublings being bigger than bunta, its false, the snakes were much larger than KN4 meaning that overall they are much larger than

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secondly are you for real?

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yet they get turned to nothing with only one swipe,
and the punch clearly didnt connect seeing how it was the shockwave that eradicated the snakes
hell just compare orochimaru against KN4s attacks to against tsunades, its clear that orochimaru wouldve died against KN4 had the fight prolonged any further,

Then again, Sasuke has shown to be capable of seeing chakra beneath the surface [

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], thus Sasuke easily perceives the chakra arms and covers the bottom of his Susano like Madara did, or jumps away like Orochimaru did, who is slower than Sasuke and has no convenient method of perceiving it like Sasuke will. 50x is an understatement imo.

and how exactly does sasuke cover the bottom of his susanoo?? and i also need a scan of how madara covveered the bottom of susanoo herre??? we are talking about ribcage and V2 susanoo here, and as far as i am concerned legged variants only start from the full body susanoo,

and Lol, sasuke is never jumping away at his ribcage susanoo, it is already established that his mobility wil be decreased inside the legless susanoo, and if he wishes to escape then he would have to lose his susnaoo which would be suicide for him,
doing that is just stupid, unless he wants to get blown away by a lariat

Based on what does v1 make you slower? He evaded v1 when he was tired from his fight with Itachi (Taka said this), he himself claimed orthodox movements are too easy to perceive. Going into v2 won't make a difference, he could only blitz Sasuke when Sasuke was off guard back then. Now, Sasuke can casually perceive Juubito's speed, which is years ahead of v2 Bee. Sasuke was keeping up with BM Naruto in terms of speed, bar shunshin, still much greater than v2 Bee. I never said Sasuke was faster than Bee, I believe. All he has to do is react and use Susano with his Enton. More so, Bee remains vulnerable to Amateratsu in v2, as Amateratsu follows wht the user is gazing at, thus if Sasuke can perceive Juubito's speed, he can definitely keep track of Bee.

Based on the fact that the user cant use his shunshin inside ribcage, based on the fact that the user cant use his own superior striking speed inside the susnaoo but instead has to resort to use the susanoos moves, which again are not fast enough to catch V2 jins who had the speed to keep up with gated guy,

and i never said that bee would blitz sasuke, i dont see why you are bringing that up,
and @bold - i am going to need scans for this,

and I have already provided u bees counters for amaterasu, he simply gets rid of the flames by getting rid of the chakra thats affected, not to mention that you cant burn chakra thats not how it works, and V1 cloak has canonically repelled the flames as well

Base Bee's speed is superior to what? KCM Naruto and v2 Ay are leagues ahead of Bee, I need some proof for what you are saying. Again, he was off guard, thinking Bee was under the influence of genjutsu. And yea, he won't have Karin and Juugo, he'l have an EMS and a Susano. I'd pick the latter.

@Bold - what the hell is this,

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hell even KCM naruto was shocked at his intervention
how the hell is he leagues behind,??? not to mention

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, thats one of the best reaction feats in the manga,

yeah him having any susanoo under V3 is a joke here,
and infront of TBB all of his susanoos bar PS would be a joke

Nothing was debunked bro. I didn't mean it that way, I explicitly said it in terms of surface area. As in, v2 Bee's hand is so

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that it would have to hit a massive amount of area at the same time, thus greater resistance, whereas Tsunade's punch is much smaller.

surface area doesnt matter, its the output or the type of damage that depends on the attack

Yes, a Susano hand was capable of crushing Danzo, which requires an immense amount of force. I don't see how Bee's durability will allow him to take 0 damage whatsoever. You must not realise how much force is required to crush a human like that if you think Bee won't feel anything.

Are you for real, are you seriously comparing a V2 beast from Danzo in terms of durability Lol
the sword of kusanagi had no effect on V2 beast whatsoever,

Why are you giving Naruto's feats to Bee? Kurama is noted to be many times more durable than Bee, seeing how Bee took extreme amounts of damage from his own TBB, whereas the Kyuubi tanked the Juubi laser with less damage. The kyuubi is in his own league in terms of durability bar PS. Though I'll agree, he can stop Kusanagi rather easily, similarly to Naruto. Highly improbable that v2 Hachibi can tank a Kyuubi TBB when it can't even tank its own TBB in full BM. Durability is proportional based on the strength of the chakra, Kyuubi's being vastly superior to all of the Bijuu's bar Indra reincarnations as he himself stated (without referencing Indra).

Kurama as itself is more powerful true, however comparing KN4 to V2 bee is not wrong, especially whn Bee in V2 has more chakra, due to more tails and his power is actually controlled,
and Nope, a KN6 TBB is nowhere near a TBB from full kyuubi i think that should be evident to you,
nor is a KN6 TBB anywhere near a TBB from full hachibi,
and ur comparison on durability being based on the strength of chakra is only valid for susanoo,
otherwise madars without susanoo is certainly not durable to tank a blade, despite possessing really powerful chakra

No, v1 Susano easily stops Lariat, especially due to the size of its arm and having to create much more force to get through in comparison to a highly concentrated attack. Moreover, Susano's defence is based on the amount of chakra outputted, so no, 1 or 2 lariats won't do anything other than light Bee on fire. No, all these points are debunked. v2 Susano is untouched.

Lol please explain ur reasoning on this?
how is ribcage tanking an attack whic is superior to the attacks that bypassed it???
V2 susanoos attacks are all dodged, and repeated strikes from Bee would overwhelm it compltely or like i said the chakra arms coming underneath the ground can also grab sasuke and take him out,

enton is not doing anything, it cant burn chakra,

What? It only absorbs 6 tails of chakra, nothing more, hence that is the shroud itself. I said Enton makes contact with v2 Bee and thus eats away at the chakra until it reaches Bee himself. You said he releases the shroud thus he loses all the tails in his v2 (14), don't be a straw man.

Lol what, you cant burn chakra thats not how it works otherwise the SA would be burned to crisp by the juubi sized katons from madara and tobi,

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the chakra part thats affected by the flames is simply removed and replaced by the cloak, and enton is certainly not taking away 6-tails worth of chakra that is absurd, the AOE of amaterasu is not enough to effect bee, and the shroud is replaced with ease,

Because Katon doesn't stick to its target, whereas Enton does? Because Enton ate through a Katon itself Because Katon temporarily burns and can be removed with water, whereas Enton cannot be extinguished with water? It's already been shown against Hachibi, you can't deny this. It eats through the chakra like it ate through the Katon. Either way, Full BM Hachibi was screaming in agony [

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], Juubito's body was melting from Enton [

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], I need no more than this to justify why v2 Bee's body is annihalated if he doesn't remove his shroud like you initially claimed.

Entons has the same properties as any other fire, apart from the fact that its inextinguishable and just hotter, there is no other difference,, fire can also stick to its target however the cloak clearly repelled the flames,
and Lol how was juubitos body affected, he completely negated the attack through his TSB

and why mention that full hachibi?? either way, it can now block the flames with its tails then remove the affected part, it can also release ink throughout the battlefield followed by TBB barrages to nuke sasuke off

Yes you can, Hachibi is made of chakra as a Bijuu, and said it was a 'close one' implying he could've died from the Amateratsu. If chakra cannot be burned, than Hachibi would've been unaffected. If chakra cannot be burned, than Amateratsu would've pushed Sasuke's senjutsu Katon like Sasuke's senjutsu Katon was pushing back Itachi's. However, it didn't push it back, it ate through it. When did Kurama's tails catch on fire from Enton? Dem fan-fics. Bee would have to replace the entire shroud, as you said earlier.

Wrong, hachibis body is flesh unlike the kurama avatar or the chakra cloaks such as V1/V2
hence why it was vastly affected by amaterasu,
and Kurama avatars tails canonically repelled obitos katon,
katon still has the same properties as enton due to the fact that they both burn their target, if katon can be repelled than

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and obito by TSB and madara by unknown means possibly preta,

and no bee only has to drop the part of chakra thats affected by the flames, thats how he gets rid of the flames,

Since when can someone drop a small piece of their v2 shroud? Scans? More so, it doesn't even matter if he can (he can't) because Sasuke controls his Enton. Controlling Enton means he can make it engulf Bee's entire v2 shroud, where he instantly removes it or dies a few seconds later.

Since the fact that the entire part of chakra shroud, is controlled by bee, means that he can simply get rid of the effected part, and secondly enton can be evaded by bee, its not as fast as u are claiming it out to be

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, this is the

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the

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, which even

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,despite focusing on 2 narutos clones
this means that bee evades the large scale enton based attacks with ease,

But I have.

nope

 

[ARGUS]

ima get kifflom iv been owning him

Nah ur too good for me

 

[RustledJimmies]

KidGamer actually thinks he stands a chance against a disciple of Master Unorthodox

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[TheAncientCenturion]

No one can mess with Unorthodox's school of debating.

 

[Apêx1]

I dont think you fully understand the difference between ribcage and V2,
you are using a ribcage that is part V2 susanoo as the backbone and skeletal arms are still a property of V2 susanoo,
when you want to compare the Ribcage susnaoo between EMS and MS then use a proper ribcage, not a ribcage which involves limbs from V2 susanoo, because then ofc it'll be bigger and more durable

This Susano debate is getting too long. I'm just gonna say it's a partial v2 and get it over with. Don't see how that changes anything imo, it still has the mobility of Ribcage and it still has the durability to stop something as strong as Tsunade's punch.

an EMS user such as

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is no different to an MS user such as

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therefore there is no such indication that EMS changes the properties of ribcage, and the Bold in your statement simply contradicts your point even more, since it all depends on the amount of chakra the user pumps in,,

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so ur point on EMS Sasukes ribcage alll of a sudden being dramatically strong enough to tank V2 bees attacks let alone overwhelm him, is nothing but wrong, when there has been no indication nor any feats of EMS ribcage being vastly superior to MS riibcage,

Don't see how that mattered, since they could've been pumping the same amount of chakra. But again, let's just go with partial v2.

You clearly didnt read my scans at all did you,

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and the

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, and this is an entity thats inferior to V2 bee since it cant control its power, and has fewer tails therefore less chakra,

V2 Bee is faster, and unlike tsunade or sakura,

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and Bee can easily attack sasukes susanoo repeatedly to bust it, not that it matters since a V2 lariat from bee will easily bust ribcage, when Kabutos suiton and Ays lateral chops managed to do the same thing,

I saw them all, still fail to see what you are drawing the comparison of v2 and Sakura's punch. Sakura's punch is far more lethal, you failed to address this and repeated what you said before. Already addressed under ground attacks. Again, Bee's attacks aren't comparable to Sakura, or Sakura's superior. I agreed on partial v2, these arguments are no longer valid either.

All EMS has shown is the flexibility for the user to pump more chakra due to no drawbacks of using their eyes,
and @Bold -

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, so ur claim of only EMS being capable of doing this is wrong, (i could bring even more scans for this)

you are completely contradicting urself,you say that its V1, but then you bring up scans of ribcage that has the limbs of V2, that doesnt make it a ribcage susnanoo then, and then you say that its a manifestation of chakra, but then u bring the notion of EMS ribcage being strong enough to overwhelm a V2 beast, when the same ribcage failed to tank much weaker attacks

Okay.

Ight, I really don't see what it's changing, so let's just see where this takes us.

Nope, Sasukes Susanoo was covered with the defense, you can clearly see the chakra layer,
and again, you are wrong about the susanoo, when its clear that madaras susanoo has some partial properties of V2 susanoo, seein how it has the bones and vertebrae which are features of V2
and what is this BS of gaseous?? the colour is a clear representation that there is a layer of defense, and susanoo being a gas is just wrong, seeeing how its clear as day that its solid, hence why its a defensive shield,
if its a mere gas then the whole point of susanoo is moot, since every attack will just go through the gap between the ribs which is clearly not the case,

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, its clear as day that kabutos suiton busted his ribcage, i doont see why thats so hard to accept

I showed you the difference between Madara's Susano and Sasuke's. Start reading what I say or don't respond at all. I'm gonna requote myself, as it is clear as day that the ribs are what defend the user, thus without the ribs, the user is vulnerable to attacks;
"If there are no Ribs covering the user himself, Susano doesn't act like much of a defence, it becomes gaseous chakra form which can easily be bypassed. In the scan you showed, it is clearly the case. The entire fron is completely open and its gaseous chakra form is abundant. I know you will say "no", but then I'll show you this [

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]. Madara would close the ribs where the lava was closer to the middle, and leave them open where the lava was further away from the centre. Why? Well it's clear, he doesn't want the lava to touch his real body. Hence, Sasuke's Susano was only beaten because the Sution bypassed the ribs which didn't engulf him." Susano wasn't busted, the ribs simply didn't defend Sasuke against an attack they weren't protecting him from.

@Bold - based on common, sense, do you seriosuly think that susanoos striking speed and mobility is the same as sasuke Lol, thats absurd,
first of all no user has shown to be able to use shunshin in susanoo secondly attacking a slow person like danzo doesnt prove anything at alll, it just makes ur post look bad since u are comparing a V2 jin to someone like Danzo,
hell even Base Bee was overwhelming Sasuke and the entire taka completely,
cloaked bee can evade the attacks of ribcage to V3 susanoo with utmost ease,

No, it's based on you wanting a point for your argument. It doesn't look like there is any indication of them slowing down at all [

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]. Again, stop being a straw man. I never claimed Ribcage's striking speed to be on par with Sasuke's, I simply said it was impressive. Users have shown to utilise jutsu through the SUsano itself, the user's feet being on the ground, and the fact he's using chakra to upkeep his Susano, suggests that he can use simple chakra control from his feet. Once again, don't be a straw man. I said it as a means of showing the Susano's strength. Either you need some reading comprehension classes, you're completely skimming things, or you're an actual straw man. Either way, fix it brah. Yes, Base Bee overwhelmed a tired MS Sasuke on his first usage of MS, and team Taka which are a bunch of fodders (apart from one who could survive Bee's TBB laser).
He can, but he can't evade the amateratsu and Enton, which this entire argument is about.

There is really not much difference between Sakura and Tsunade as of now, that should be evident
and @Bold - wrong,

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them being bigger than gamabutna is a joke

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, the juublings that sakura punched being bigger than gamabunta is a joke

Incorrect, Tsunade's base punch is this [

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]. It's clear as day that Tsunade's punch is stronger in base due to her greater pure strength, she cause the ground to diverge through a single finger, Sakura's natural strength doesn't compare. Tsunade has always been stated to have the greatest chakra control, so at the very least, she replicates Sakura's strength feat, which is by far greater than anything v1 or v2 Bee have ever done. Yet, she still could only crack the partial v2. And my bad, I mistakingly thought of the Jublings that were next to Bunta. Either way, I don't see how that changes anything since v2's strongest strength feat is less than 1/50th of this. Don't forget that when v2 smashed into Kisame, he was barely thrown back let alone caused a shockwave, yet when Sakura punches someone, an insanely large shockwave occurs if there was little resistance to it [

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and again, we are talking about sasukes susanoo here, which was cracked by Ay, whose striking strenght is inferior to base bees, why would cloaked bee be unable to bust ribcage??
furthermore bee only having 1/1000th of tsunades strenght is joke.

How does having a stronger lariat imply a stronger striking strength, when the strike that Ay used was a lateral chop, made to penetrate? That's like saying because you can lift more than Mike Tyson, or push him away from you instead of let him push you, that your punch is stronger than his. It's a completele fail analogy, as strength comes from kinetic linking, speed and pure strength. But in Ay's case, it comes from all these with the added bonus of penetrative attack and a superior speed. Bee overpowering Ay in their lariats when they reached a standstill merely implied he had a stronger balance and more powerful neck/lats/chest. None of this would imply his actual punch is more powerful. I said this is partial v2, and have shown Partial v2's feats. He isn't getting past it if Tsunade didn't, end of story.Never said that, I said 1/100th, and it's completely true unless you can prove otherwise.

I have already debunked ur claim on juublings being bigger than bunta, its false, and they are much larger than KN4 meaning that overall they are much larger than

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secondly are you for real?

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yet they get turned to nothing with only one swipe,
and the punch clearly didnt connect seeing how it was the shockwave that eradicated the snakes
hell just compare orochimaru against KN4s attacks to against tsunades, its clear that orochimaru wouldve died against KN4 had the fight prolonged any further,

Yea, made a mistake on two different types of Juublings.
The didn't cover the entire field, they simply covered a large portion in front of Naruto. Doesn't change anything though, given snakes bear a low mass and are easily pushed away with a regular Futon, let alone a shockwave. I fail to see the amazing strength feat here, unless the snakes had some form of durability, or an actual explosion was shown where one could scale its AOE.
That's completely different and fallacious. Hence the strength she used was that crater I showed you earlier, which couldn't cause 1/1000th of the shockwave I showed in Byakugo.
1. Tsunade wasn't using her Byakugo to enhance strength.
2. Orochimaru said his body was rejecting him soon, hence why he left.
3. Tsunade, without the Byakugo, knocked him out briefly, whereas v2 Naruto failed to do that against a body that was rejecting Oro. [

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]. You just helped my argument.

and how exactly does sasuke cover the bottom of his susanoo?? and i also need a scan of how madara covveered the bottom of susanoo herre??? we are talking about ribcage and V2 susanoo here, and as far as i am concerned legged variants only start from the full body susanoo,

and Lol, sasuke is never jumping away at his ribcage susanoo, it is already established that his mobility wil be decreased inside the legless susanoo, and if he wishes to escape then he would have to lose his susnaoo which would be suicide for him,
doing that is just stupid, unless he wants to get blown away by a lariat

Right here [

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], the lava has gone atop of the Susano, thus it was covered from the bottom. Yea, partial v2.

You didn't establish it, you simply claimed it blindly. If Orochimaru was capable of jumping away without pre-cognition and an eye which sees the attack, Sasuke does so too with a lower level of difficulty. So no, Susano's mobility is no different as it simply is chakra around the user, by no means is it going to make him heavier if he he has shown to run with it.

Based on the fact that the user cant use his shunshin inside ribcage, based on the fact that the user cant use his own superior striking speed inside the susnaoo but instead has to resort to use the susanoos moves, which again are not fast enough to catch V2 jins who had the speed to keep up with gated guy,

and i never said that bee would blitz sasuke, i dont see why you are bringing that up,
and @bold - i am going to need scans for this,

Incorrect, Susano users can use ninjutsu within the Susano and move as they please within it. And once again, incorrect. Sasuke actually can use his sword rom within his Susano, somehow [

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]. Thus he extends the range with Enton and begins ****ing shit up. And how was Gai being kept up with, because he was being outnumbered and at a disadvantage? Fallacious, his speed was shown to be vastly greater [

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Here [

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], here Sasuke reached Sakura before Naruto could, whereas the former, they were running at an equal speed despite Sasuke using Amateratsu. [x] Here Sasuke jumps on v1 Bee's back to dodge his attack [

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] Sasuke shows that he can perceive Juubito's speed with his EMS. It's a joke to think v2 is too much for EMS Sasuke, Lol.

and I have already provided u bees counters for amaterasu, he simply gets rid of the flames by getting rid of the chakra thats affected, not to mention that you cant burn chakra thats not how it works, and V1 cloak has canonically repelled the flames as well

Once again, you are running away from this completely. Show me scans of v1 cloak stopping Amateratsu's flames. I just showed you Juubito's body burning, you think v2>Juubito? You don't realise that all Bijuu are composed of chakra, thus Sasuke's amateratsu wouldn't burn through Hachibi, yet was stated by Hachibi himself to have the ability to kill him? Amateratsu burns through him like it burned through the Katon. You just ran away from this argument which I provided scans for completely. Don't pull a Bogard bro.

@Bold - what the hell is this,

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hell even KCM naruto was shocked at his intervention
how the hell is he leagues behind,??? not to mention

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, thats one of the best reaction feats in the manga,

yeah him having any susanoo under V3 is a joke here,
and infront of TBB all of his susanoos bar PS would be a joke

He managed to stop his striking speed. Sasuke also managed to hit Ay when Ay was attempting an elbow, which are known for being faster than standard punches. So Ay's striking speed isn't that special, given MS Sasuke couls easily dodge it at point blank.
Yea, that's a nice reaction feat. Don't see how that puts him anyone near Ay or KCM Naruto's level of shunshin. Running speed? Maybe, but that's still slower than Sasuke. Imo, he doesn't have the sped feats to make an argument of being superior to KCM Naruto's speed at all, not even close. If v1 was dodged by a tired out MS Sasuke, then v2 is dodged by a fully fit EMS Sasuke.

Then again, if Bee attempts BM, he gets an Amateratsu to the face, thus he can't use TBB since he's screaming in agony. I have already demonstrated this earlier.

surface area doesnt matter, its the output or the type of damage that depends on the attack


Are you for real, are you seriously comparing a V2 beast from Danzo in terms of durability Lol
the sword of kusanagi had no effect on V2 beast whatsoever,

It does. A large steel wall may have 500 pounds of resistance per square inch (hypothetical), if you hit the square inch, you'll require only 500 pounds to break through, if you hit 10 inches, you'll require 5000 pounds. It's a rather significant factor, Tsunade has to hit a small area of the Susano with her small knuckes, Bee hits a massive area that causes a massive resistance from the Susano. Simple physics.

Don't see how hard it was to read. I said he will take damage, but not be lethally wounded. It's truth.
Which is why I said, he tanks it. Stop being a straw man.

Kurama as itself is more powerful true, however comparing KN4 to V2 bee is not wrong, especially whn Bee in V2 has more chakra, due to more tails and his power is actually controlled,
and Nope, a KN6 TBB is nowhere near a TBB from full kyuubi i think that should be evident to you,
nor is a KN6 TBB anywhere near a TBB from full hachibi,
and ur comparison on durability being based on the strength of chakra is only valid for susanoo,
otherwise madars without susanoo is certainly not durable to tank a blade, despite possessing really powerful chakra


Lol please explain ur reasoning on this?
how is ribcage tanking an attack whic is superior to the attacks that bypassed it???
V2 susanoos attacks are all dodged, and repeated strikes from Bee would overwhelm it compltely or like i said the chakra arms coming underneath the ground can also grab sasuke and take him out,

Kyuubi is controlling Naruto when he is rampaging, so it is controlled, simply not by Naruto.
Never claimed it was, I am saying the chakra of a beats is directly proportional with the power of his TBB. Naruto can tank his own TBB since his durability is made form the same extremely potent chakra. If v2 Bee where to attempt to tank v2 Naruto's TBB, he'd die. That's my point, Kurama v2's durability>>>
What? That makes no sense. v2 is a manifestation of chakra on the jin's body like Susano is a manifestation of chakra on the Sharingan wielder's body. There's no difference, they both are covering themselves with their own chakra, your analogy of Madara, who isn't covered by chakra being capable of tanking something like that is fallacious.

enton is not doing anything, it cant burn chakra,
Lol what, you cant burn chakra thats not how it works otherwise the SA would be burned to crisp by the juubi sized katons from madara and tobi,

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the chakra part thats affected by the flames is simply removed and replaced by the cloak, and enton is certainly not taking away 6-tails worth of chakra that is absurd, the AOE of amaterasu is not enough to effect bee, and the shroud is replaced with ease,

Said it before, I'll say it again. When one flame is hotter than another, it pushes the other flame back [

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]. I already showed yuo Juubito's body burning along with Hachibi's, you can't ignore from this.
The Katon's were simply not powerful enough to burn chakra, Amateratsu>>>>>> So stop trying to compare Katon and Amateratsu, since one continuously burns at a massive temperature, whereas the other briefly burns at a moderate temperature.

Once again, no. Amateratsu covered the entire BM of Hachibi if you ever cared to look at the scans I posted. BM>>>>>v2 in size. Shroud isn't replaceable if a Biju sized Amateratsu is used, and if he replaces it, it means he removed his entire cloak. If he removed his entire cloak, it means he's lost 14 tails worth of chakra.


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ntons has the same properties as any other fire, apart from the fact that its inextinguishable and just hotter, there is no other difference,, fire can also stick to its target however the cloak clearly repelled the flames,
and Lol how was juubitos body affected, he completely negated the attack through his TSB

and why mention that full hachibi?? either way, it can now block the flames with its tails then remove the affected part, it can also release ink throughout the battlefield followed by TBB barrages to nuke sasuke off

No, I showed you its properties. Learn to read. You can clearly see his body melting on the left side of our perspective. Hence the sizzling effect, which is him regenerating.

But that's assuming the tails aren't affected at all? That's assuming Sasuke doesn't start launching Enton arrows when Bee is burning from Amateratsu and screaming in agony? That's assuming he can, since the last time he did so, he only could because Sasuke cut his tentacle for him, whereas Hachibi couldn't even attempt it. manga showed he couldn't, so he can't, unless he isn't under the influence of Amateratsu, which won't ever be the case when in BM.

Wrong, hachibis body is flesh unlike the kurama avatar or the chakra cloaks such as V1/V2
hence why it was vastly affected by amaterasu,
and Kurama avatars tails canonically repelled obitos katon,
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and obito by TSB and madara by unknown means possibly preta,

and no bee only has to drop the part of chakra thats affected by the flames, thats how he gets rid of the flames,

Doesn't change anything. Bijuu's are made of chakra, not flesh and bones etc. Their original creation is chakra entirely, but the chakra was given a animal like form, hence they cannot be killed, and even if they were to be killed, the chakra comes back in their animal like bodies. Hachibi said it was a close one while talking to Bee, hence his body could've been completely burned.
Cool, Katon=/=Enton so point is moot.
Enton cannot be repelled, false analogy and fail analogy, since you're completely ignoring everything ever shown about Enton to make it seem like a normal Katon that doesn't die out.
And? Unless Bee has Deva or Preta, what's the point you are trying to make? Either say how he does it, or don't bring it up at all.

Since the fact that the entire part of chakra shroud, is controlled by bee, means that he can simply get rid of the effected part, and secondly enton can be evaded by bee, its not as fast as u are claiming it out to be

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, this is the

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,despite focusing on 2 narutos clones
this means that bee evades the large scale enton based attacks with ease,

nope

Show scans or don't argue this anymore. Show me a scan of any jin ever being capable of removing their shrouds selectively bar the Juubi. Incorrect. Enton isn't that fast, but Amateratsu is unavoidable by anyone since it follows what sasuke is looking at. Are you willing to claim Bee is faster than Sasuke can perceive? I think not, so point is moot. Amateratsu=/=Enton.
So? The same arrow which was quicker than TBB [

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Yup.

 

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This is a... debate? Not even close. The moment Sasuke got the Eien No Mangekyou, this match-up became null and void. Killer Bee has no way to penetrate higher stages of Sasuke's Susano'o defence, and has no way to touch Sasuke as Sasuke can coat himself with Amaterasu. Bee also has no feats suggesting he can dodge an Enton Arrow, as only Kabuto was shown to be adept enough at sensing to dodge it, to which Bee has no such feat.

 

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EMS Sasuke(no PS) beats Killer bee with mid difficulty,

-If he starts off with amaterasu, and bee isn't in BM, but in his lower versions(v1 cloak, v2 etc) he gets defeated as he has no way of counteracting it.
-If he uses BM, Sasuke can spam amaterasu and enton arrows to completely neutralise Bee.
-The only way Bee has shown of combating amaterasu is by using the tentacle clone substitution, but the problem is that Sasuke

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how KB escaped last time as he figured it out in the flashback, so if he sees Bee cutting off any tentacles, he will use Amaterasu on the clone to kill bee.

So overall, amaterasu/enton spam wins it for Sasuke.

 

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Are we implying that Sasuke's Susano'o needs Nardo's chakra to be able to jump ? Lol let's not be ridiculous now.

It needs Naruto's chakra to jump at the speed and height you said it'll jump as back up for your claim. You are using a feat from an enhanced Susanoo to say he'll blitz B before he enters Bijuu Mode again. I shouldn't have had to explain that. Obviously it can jump on its own.

Let me make it more simple :

>Sasuke preps Enton blade/arrow while firing Amaterasu

And why would he do that if he doesn't know that B is going to feint? Not to mention using an Enton Arrow/Blade requires him to use Kagutsuchi, nothing implies he can use both at the same time.

>Bee cuts his tentacle (which Sasuke notices)

Ok.

>Sasuke jumps in the tentacle's direction (If Sasuke decides to go to the cutting Bee down route instead of arrow)
>Bee comes out of the tentacle
>gets cut down by Enton blade or sniped by Enton arrow

He jumps at the tentacle, B comes out and blows him up with Bijuu Dama, its that simple. Unless Sasuke's Susanoo has some kind of special

Also, whenever Bee came out of his tentacle, he came out in base, not in BM, so he still has to enter BM, react to the attack fast enough and grab him or use Bijuu Hachimaki (which requires him to "surround" himself in the tentacles and then spin), all before Sasuke swings his sword or until the arrow reaches him, which takes a split second.

What Lol ? Kyuubi cloak only increases the power and size of the attacks, not their speed, and this isn't even a speed feat, he merely jumped, or are you implying Nardo's cloak increases his "jump feats" ? Don't be silly.

Kyuubi Chakra Cloak makes jutsu overall stronger. That's it. Susanoo got overall stronger, which includes its speed. If Susanoo gets stronger, it overall gets stronger, not just two areas of it. If we went by your made up definition of the cloak's power, we'd be saying V3 Susanoo=KCC enhanced V3 Susanoo in durability, which is false as KCC enhanced Susanoo tanked something much stronger than Danzo's Fuuton. And lol? Not a speed feat? Jumping from one distance to another in a short amount of time is speed. Jumping that high is speed and strength. You referenced it as a speed feat.

can jump in the tentacle's direction even before Bee actually comes out, once he does, he gets cut in half, as Sasuke will already be close enough to him considering how fast Sasuke's V3 jumped from the ground to the tree's branch,

Are you really going to deny that this is a speed feat? When you yourself referenced it as one?

Stop using feats from an enhanced Susanoo. I shouldn't have to explain that it can obviously jump, just not as fast or as far as an enhanced Susanoo.

So ? I never said he would cut them, I only said his hand would get cut in case he tried to stop Sasuke with it, and what does it matter that the tentacle's are bigger than Susano'o ? The Juubi clones were also much bigger than Susano'o, yet they got cleanly cut in half, not like Bee will be in BM after he comes out of the tentacle anyway.

The tentacles being bigger makes it impossible for him to target all of them at once.

Yeah, because he will get out of the tentacle, go BM, react to Sasuke's attack (arrow or blade), charge a Bijuu Dama and fire it before Sasuke swings his sword or fires a arrow that travels great distances in a split second.

I like how people break things down to try and make it seem like it takes a long time to make their argument seem better.

1. Who said B needs to exit the tentacle first? Oh wait, you, not me.

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B enters Bijuu Mode with a Bijuu Dama ready and blows Sasuke ass to kingdom come. There is no "Charge a Bijuu Dama" phase. You are only making it worse for yourself if you start using his sword, which requires his Susanoo to blitz B and cut in half before he can instantly enter Bijuu Mode, which is a load of nonsense. Especially since you have no speed feats for his Susanoo that let you say he'll blitz B.

Sasuke fires his arrow, B instantly enters Bijuu Mode and blows Sasuke up. Either the Bijuu Dama plows through the arrow, or B gets hit and lives while Sasuke dies.

Then he pierces Bee, and swings his sword vertically while his blade is inside Bee, cutting him in half, if that doesn't work, then he pierces Bee with Enton blade/arrow, leaving Bee temporarily immobilised with the pain and then controls the blade/arrow to create some

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, thus piercing and killing Bee from the inside. This is all assuming Bee goes BM fast enough before Sasuke's attack lands, which is highly unlikely.

Being able to pierce something doesn't mean you can cut it in half. Pretty sure I already stated this. Then again, B is never g

Lol, so B can't instantly enter Bijuu Mode before Sasuke's hits him with an arrow or a sword, even though Danzo reacted to the same arrow with Mokuton? Really now?

Uhh, he is in full BM there, that isn't a partial transformation. Honestly, I don't even see how this is helping Bee here

Then the point flew above your head. He entered Bijuu Mode with his Bijuu Dama ready. That's the main point.

True, his hand made contact with it.

But it is. Itachi did use Kagutuschi, he simply never got as far as Sasuke with it. It's rather clear to all it has the -ton suffix, like all nature elements. You can't use Enton without an ending, yet all the endings displayed that manipulate the black flames are Kagutsuchi (by Sasuke). All Kagutsuchi's are done with the right eye, and it shows noticeable strain. When Sasuke turned off the flames from Karin, it was his right eye that once again, showed strain [

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here and

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, Kagutsuchi is always utilised with the right eye. Even Tobirama demonstrated that he's seen it before [

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]. Seems to me like every Amateratsu user has a form of Enton that comes along Amateratsu itself.

Kagutsuchi is Sasuke's Mangekyo jutsu. Itachi has two as well and Kagutsuchi is not one of them. Enton is nothing but the name of the black flame itself. Amaterasu is the jutsu that spawns them, and Kagutsuchi is the jutsu that manipulates them. Itachi has "Enton" because he can use Amaterasu, manipulating them is something completely different.


-Sasuke used

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to turn off the flames. That is just an ability granted by having Amaterasu.

Itachi doesn't have Kagutsuchi, that's Sasuke's ocular power. Its not some supplement to Amaterasu, its a completely separate ability.

 

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This is a... debate? Not even close. The moment Sasuke got the Eien No Mangekyou, this match-up became null and void. Killer Bee has no way to penetrate higher stages of Sasuke's Susano'o defence,

Bijuu Dama says hi, and don't say Sasuke'll prevent it, cause he won't.

and has no way to touch Sasuke as Sasuke can coat himself with Amaterasu.

Doesn't need to when he has Bijuu Dama.

Bee also has no feats suggesting he can dodge an Enton Arrow, as only Kabuto was shown to be adept enough at sensing to dodge it, to which Bee has no such feat.

He doesn't need to dodge it, he only needs to retaliate with Bijuu Dama. B gets pierced and gets injured while Sasuke dies...assuming the Bijuu Dama doesn't plow through the arrow first.

EMS Sasuke(no PS) beats Killer bee with mid difficulty,

-If he starts off with amaterasu, and bee isn't in BM, but in his lower versions(v1 cloak, v2 etc) he gets defeated as he has no way of counteracting it.

If he gets hit in Base, going in V1 blows away the flame. V2 blocks the flame long enough for him to enter Bijuu Mode, which also blows it away.

-If he uses BM, Sasuke can spam amaterasu and enton arrows to completely neutralise Bee.

And then B can use Bijuu Dama after countering Amaterasu with the tentacle clone.

-The only way Bee has shown of combating amaterasu is by using the tentacle clone substitution, but the problem is that Sasuke

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how KB escaped last time as he figured it out in the flashback, so if he sees Bee cutting off any tentacles, he will use Amaterasu on the clone to kill bee.

B is inside the tentacle, so hitting it with the flames won't work since he'll still be protected, long enough to enter Bijuu Mode and nuke Sasuke.

 

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Bee takes it Mid-Diff.​

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