[VS] Killer Bee vs EMS Sasuke

[ARGUS]

Sasuke's first ribcage usage in in MS ever isn't the same rbicage in EMS [

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This isnt even ribcage,

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its part ribcage, and part V2, so ur example here isnt valid,

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, is not much different to

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both of the ribcage are not as durable or powerful to even be a remote threat to bee thats for sure, as a V2 lariat would bust both of them open with ease

This can be seen in Madara's EMS ribcages as well, they are much larger than the MS ribcages that were used, and could be manipulated by creating extensions of Susano defence and closing the bottom of the Susano.

Nope not really,

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is just as large and just as thick

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so ur point on EMS changing the properties of ribcage susanoo isnt valid, when both the susanoos look exactly the same and have the same shape, size and thickness

and how is susanoos bottom being closed? especially when we are not talking about legged susanno variants here,
when you are talking about ribcage beating bee Lol

It is highly doubtable Ay could crack this more powerful Susano with his lateral chop or Liger Bomb. Though I'll admit v2 Bee's attacks are stronger, I don't see it breaking through Sasuke's Susano.

Wrong

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, and knocked sasuke down,
and

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and inb4 the fallacy of susanoo being open, thats wrong,especially

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,, meaning that ribcage was busted just fine,

the difference between ems ribcage and ms ribcage is nowhere near enough to suggest that ribcage could survive V2 lariat,
ribcage overwhelming bee is a joke especially when it lacks the limbs to even attack bee from and it decreases the mobility of the user Lol

Madara was capable of having his Susano barely break from a rock weighted enhanced Lateral Chop and a kick from Byakugo Tsunade which can cause shockwaves, whereas Bee's v2's pure force would be far inferior. Now I am not saying Sasuke's Ribcage is on Madara's level and could replicate this, but logically speaking, it should be capable of barely being cracked by v2's lariat, if Madara's could take 50 times that (and I am being generous here).

V2 chakra cloaks create shockwaves that were seeen kilometres away

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and this

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and this is an entity thats inferior to V2 bee,
not to mention

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these shockwaves and attacks from even KN4 take a dump on tsuandes attacks/shockwaves which are superior to Ays as well,
meaning that V2 8-tails will do the same

furthermore,

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as they can be used to attack sasuke under the ground regardless of what susanoo hes in,

so claiming that tsunades attacks are stronger, let alone 50x stronger is just wrong, very wrong,

This is simply Ribcage Susano's durability though, I have not begun to discuss how a tired MS Sasuke could envision V1 Bee's speed, whereas an EMS Sasuke could perceive a Juubito's speed. The difference is massive, v2 is easily reacted to imo, given Sasuke was portrayed to be on par with Naruto in terms of running speed (not shunshin speed).

IF Sasukes in susanoo, his mobility is heavily decreased, as the defensive shield compensates for that lack in mobility,
furthermore sasuke being able to percieve bee doesnt make him faster, nor does it make him being able to evade its attacks, when bee has more than enough capability of landing a lariatt on him,
with this logic, otherwise one could say that crippled nagato is faster than bee because he can perceive him easily, yet he still ended up getting attacked by a lariat, and had it not been for preta the attack would have resulted in every bone in his body being broken

based on feats, base bees speed alone is superior to narutos, V2 bee would be running circles around susanoo,
and if sasuke resorts to attack him without his defense,

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only this time he wont have juugo or karins help to save him, and this time it wont be from V1, but V2 meaning that the attack would only be much stronger,

Assuming this is manga intel since nothing else was specified, Sasuke should know Bee can break out of genjutsu, but still be capable of putting him under it briefly, whilst being cautious. I have already demonstrated raw power is weak against Susano, as shown via Tsunade's Byakugo enhanced punches only cracking it. Lariat's won't serve him well as it is being inhibited by a greater amount of the ribcage's surface area. And nah, you are assuming v2 Bee can strike his Susano several times, and completely ignoring the fact Ribcage can manifest a Susano hand which can punch [

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] and can be increased to nearly the size of a v2 Susano [

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I have debunked your claim about tsunade and onokis attack being superior, and what are you on about raw power being weak to susanoo??, ribcage or V2 susanoo are not doing anything to cloaked bee at all,
and Lol do you honestly think that a V2 hand is enough to hurt cloaked bee? Lol
when KN4 tanked a kusanagi blade with no damage, and KN6 withstood even a ST
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if V2 bee strikes susanoo sevveral times, the damage for the susanoo would only pile up, ribcage is just getting busted with one lariat, its been busted against weaker attacks, meanning that V2 bees attacks would just go through it,
and i have also mentioned the chakra arms going underneath the susanoo that will get sasuke hard, either that or repeated attacks from V2 bee would also bust V2 susanoo with ease,

Bee will get rid of his cloak? You just allowed me to win this argument. I'll put it like this, Samehada could absorb 6 tails worth of chakra in one go, as stated by Bee himself. 4 tails of v1 [

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] 6 tails of v1 [

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], v2 is reverted back to v1 which has 7 tails. This implies it absorbed 6 tails worth of chakra again, as that was noted to be its max, to revert Bee back into his v1 [

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], whereas here [

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], he loses 14 tails of chakra, and after that, he does one jutsu of ink spitting, and then Hachibi claims his and Bee's chakras are almost depleted [

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]. What does this mean? It means for Bee and Hachibi to be nearly out of the fight with purely losing chakra avatars, it requires 30 tails worth of v1 chakra in order for Bee and Hachibi to run out of fuel in this fight. Thus, when you claimed v2 shroud is dropped off completely to counter Enton, he's lost 14 tails at this point. He has 16 tails worth of chakra left, do it again and he's at 2 and is low on chakra, whereas Sasuke is just getting started. Yea.. Enton is too much imo.

You clearly have not responded to my claim at all, but instead you are using samehada in ur response, which is nothing but wrong, seeing how samehada absorbs chakra, which enton or amaterasu have never been stated to do so,

first of all,

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why would amaterasu be any different,? seeing how its properties are just like any other fire, the only difference being its inextinguishable

secondly, V1 and V2 is chakra, you cant burn chakra,, thats not how it works, especially seeing how kuramas chakra tails managed to repel the flames as well, meaning that V2 shroud can do the exact same thing,
and not to mention that chakra can be replaced, thereforee any of thee affected area that is hit by the flames would just be dropped by the chakra as bee can simply replace it,

thirdly, bee just has to drop the chakra part thats affected by the flames, which isnt that much, unlike samehada which absorbed six tails worth of chakra, the area thats affected by amaterasu isnt even remotely affecting bee, nor is it taking away any chakra from bee, he can drop that small affected area and replace it with ease,

you have not won the argument, far from it,

 

[Unorthodox]

i kifflom aint trying to say killerbee wins a v2 larients does nothing as raikage choped through the ribcage didnt hit it directly he was holding back in that kabuto fight everytime he was serious his ribcage was much bigger and sturdy futhemore in that scan you posted he had his ms activated not ems.

even after that you can see he still has ms activated when he used that genjutsu

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[lanakui8]

How did he block it with his tail when his head was clearly hit?

his head wasnʻt hit, after he fell into the water, it spread to his head.

Reacts much faster? L0l Hachibi is to big to think about even dodging so he's going to get hit no matter what and then Enton spikes roast and pierce him.

never said the hachibi dodges. this time, bee blocked it even better using only tentacles instead of arms. Since when has sasuke shown the ability to use enton spikes at a range of more than a couple of meters away from his body?

Gave multiple counters for Bijuudama's you choose one to counter your own argument. Honestly it all depends on how big his standing Susanoo is. Hashirama's Buddha hasn't caught a tbb does that mean it can't no.

hashiramaʻs buddah is the upgraded version of his mokujin which caught a bijuudama, thatʻs the only reason one can argue that it can catch a bijuudama and throw it back. PS isnʻt a mokuton that has anti-bijuu properties, let alone a mokuton that has been shown to shut down full kurama with a touch to the head. It doesnʻt get mokujinʻs bijuudama catching feats.

Tssk now Sasuke can't use Amaterasu while inside of Susanoo? .(

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). Umm let's see here the p-ups he got from rikkudo didn't give him advanced enton or Amaterasu feats.

Sasuke could have easily made an opening in his susanoo in order to fire that katon and weʻve never have seen it. Weʻve seen that he jumps out of his susanoo in order to hit danzou with amaterasu, weʻve seen madara fires his katons through the openings in his susanoo ribcages. Until explicitly shown, he doesnʻt get to fire amaterasu without making an opening in his susanoo.

Based on what did the P-ups he got from rikkudou not give him advanced enton or amaterasu feats? He and naruto are both powered by rikudouʻs chakra all of their feats are not indicative of what they are normally capable of, especially new feats that blow the old ones completely out of the water.

Also he manipulated enton with his ems anyways.(

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). Come harder than that or get owned.

Yeah, he manipulated it with an EMS powered by rikudouʻs chakra. What happened when Sasukeʻs MS got powered by rikudouʻs chakra? He got kamui chidori, a rikudou PS, and could fire kamui shurikens.

 

[Minato namikaze123]

bee completely defeated MS sasuke with suigetsu,karin(nonfacter but still) and juggo..
wat differece will a EMS sasuke make without a PS..
i can assure with PS he mid deff's bee

 

[KidGamer65]

Lol, Bee uses his tentacle to avoid Amaterasu, and then when he comes back from the tentacle, Sasuke uses legged V3 to jump at him and Bee gets cut up like

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or Sasuke makes him eat it in the form of an

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, if the wounds from the latter don't kill him, they will at the very least leave him immobilised and vulnerable to take another arrow or an Amaterasu snipe, or both, either way he would die. This is all assuming that his pain will allow him to counter Amaterasu, which is doubtful.

If he jumps at B like that, B retaliates by grabbing his Susanoo with all or most of his tentacles and then he gets blown to bits by Bijuu Dama. Or Bijuu Hachimaki blows him away and then Bijuu Dama blows him to bits. If he fires an arrow, B retaliates with a Bijuu Dama and Sasuke dies.

 

[Strict]

Sasuke first sets Hachibi on fire with Amaterasu and then uses Kagutsuchi to dismember him like

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. Blades made of those flames will cut through his body like butter.

Sasuke can also cover his Susanoo in those flames.

 

[wael reda]

I don't see ems sasuke surviving four bijudomas or even more
bee mostlikely wins but sasuke has a chance aswell

 

[wael reda]

Sasuke first sets Hachibi on fire with Amaterasu and then uses Kagutsuchi to dismember him like

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. Blades made of those flames will cut through his body like butter.

Sasuke can also cover his Susanoo in those flames.

yes, that is why I said sasuke has a chance
but, don't forget that bee has samehada so he can probably use it to absorb amatrasu
also bee can shot 4 bijudomas to kill sasuke even if he was cough by amatrasu, then he can get out from one of hachibi tails like he did before

 

[Strict]

Well, the third Raikage was on pair with the Hachibi and did nothing but cutting off all of his limbs individually. As good as the Raikages durability might be, higher stages of Susanoo grant a better defense, especially the last stage. Susanoo made Itachi survive a mountain busting flash.

Sharp weapons of Chakra can pierce the Bijuudama [

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]. So even if the Hachibi forms his Bijuudama, Sasuke makes the black flames being attached to the ball and then pierces it multiple times with Kagutsuchi. Either the Bijuudama explodes in his mouth or the flames consume the Bijuudama. Or he can fire multiple (Enton) arrows in the path of the Bijuudamas to make them explode halfway, like in the recent chapter's clash of arrows and Gudoudamas. Either way, Hachibi felt such a pain of Amaterasu that he did nothing but rolling around of pain. And now add the ability of Kagutsuchi, which pierces Hachibis whole body with those flames and cut off all his limbs.

What's so fantastic about Kagutsuchi is, that he can shape those flames to whatever he wants. He can even jail the Hachibi in a circle of those flames. When the Hachibi is caged, Sasuke fires a Kirin in the middle of this circle, before or after he burned, pierced and cut him with Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi.

 

[RustledJimmies]

If he jumps at B like that, B retaliates by grabbing his Susanoo with all or most of his tentacles and then he gets blown to bits by Bijuu Dama. Or Bijuu Hachimaki blows him away and then Bijuu Dama blows him to bits. If he fires an arrow, B retaliates with a Bijuu Dama and Sasuke dies.

If Bee drops a tentacle, Sasuke will know Bee is actually in there (Assuming he has manga knowledge), so he can jump in the tentacle's direction even before Bee actually comes out, once he does, he gets cut in half, as Sasuke will already be close enough to him considering how fast Sasuke's V3 jumped from the

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to the

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, and to do perform Bijuu Hachimaki, Bee has to "surround" (couldn't find a better way to put it) himself in his tentacles and then

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, which gives Sasuke enough time to cut him in half and the other option (grabbing Susano'o) isn't gonna happen unless he wants to get his arms/tentacles cut down. As for the Bijuu Dama, by the time Bee comes out of the tentacle, the arrow will have been ready, and Sasuke fires it as soon as Bee comes out of it, Bee isn't coming out of the tentacle, reacting, charging and firing a Bijuu Dama before the arrow gets him, and once it does, it's GG.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Bee drops a tentacle, Sasuke will know Bee is actually in there (Assuming he has manga knowledge), so he can jump in the tentacle's direction even before Bee actually comes out, once he does, he gets cut in half, as Sasuke will already be close enough to him considering how fast Sasuke's V3 jumped from the

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to the

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, and to do perform Bijuu Hachimaki, Bee has to "surround" (couldn't find a better way to put it) himself in his tentacles and then

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, which gives Sasuke enough time to cut him in half and the other option (grabbing Susano'o) isn't gonna happen unless he wants to get his arms/tentacles cut down. As for the Bijuu Dama, by the time Bee comes out of the tentacle, the arrow will have been ready, and Sasuke fires it as soon as Bee comes out of it, Bee isn't coming out of the tentacle, reacting, charging and firing a Bijuu Dama before the arrow gets him, and once it does, it's GG.

1. That's a Susanoo enhanced by Naruto's Chakra. Sasuke's Complete Susanoo is nowhere near that level power, not without any boost. So if Sasuke jumps toward B, he enters Bijuu Mode and manhandles his Susanoo with his tentacles, then blows it open with Bijuu Dama. Or he blows him away with Hachimaki and blows him to bits with Bijuu Dama.

2. Sasuke has to get to B, and then hit him before he starts spinning, which isn't going to happen. His Susanoo isn't that fast and B's prep for his whirlwind isn't that long. So Susanoo gets blown away. And you keep saying Susanoo will bisect B, even though a Complete Susanoo doesn't have the feats that would allow me to believe it can bisect something as durable as a Bijuu.

3. He can enter a partial Bijuu Mode with a Bijuu Dama formed right off the bat. The moment he transforms he'll have his Bijuu Dama prepped, then he fires it. B gets hit with the arrow, but survives (Arrow isn't killing him) while Sasuke gets hit with Bijuu Dama and dies.

 

[Strict]

1. That's a Susanoo enhanced by Naruto's Chakra. Sasuke's Complete Susanoo is nowhere near that level power, not without any boost. So if Sasuke jumps toward B, he enters Bijuu Mode and manhandles his Susanoo with his tentacles, then blows it open with Bijuu Dama. Or he blows him away with Hachimaki and blows him to bits with Bijuu Dama.

And if Sasuke covers his Susanoo in Amaterasu, will Hachibi even try to catch him?

2. Sasuke has to get to B, and then hit him before he starts spinning, which isn't going to happen. His Susanoo isn't that fast and B's prep for his whirlwind isn't that long. So Susanoo gets blown away. And you keep saying Susanoo will bisect B, even though a Complete Susanoo doesn't have the feats that would allow me to believe it can bisect something as durable as a Bijuu.

Will Enton blades be able to cut or pierce Hachibis body? Let's say Sasuke sets Hachibi's full body on fire and transforms it to countless blades like

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? You don't believe Enton blades can cut through Hachibi's body? But at least all his tentacles?

3. He can enter a partial Bijuu Mode with a Bijuu Dama formed right off the bat. The moment he transforms he'll have his Bijuu Dama prepped, then he fires it. B gets hit with the arrow, but survives (Arrow isn't killing him) while Sasuke gets hit with Bijuu Dama and dies.

A Bijuudama explodes on impact. What if Sasuke fires an equal amount of (Enton) arrows in the Bijuudamas path, will they explode halfway or push the arrows away and fly towards Sasuke? Sasuke can make boss summon sized Enton arrows, which he proved.

 

[KidGamer65]

And if Sasuke covers his Susanoo in Amaterasu, will Hachibi even try to catch him?

He'd just have to blow him away and then blow him up.

Will Enton blades be able to cut or pierce Hachibis body? Let's say Sasuke sets Hachibi's full body on fire and transforms it to countless blades like

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? You don't believe Enton blades can cut through Hachibi's body? But at least all his tentacles?

No, I don't think Enton will cut up the Hachibi's body. Will it pierce? Sure. Deep enough to actually dismember him? Nope. But there is clearly some misconception on Enton. Sasuke can't set something on fire, and then manipulate the flame. Every time he's used Enton him or his chakra has been touching the flame, thus its a requirement to manipulate it.

A Bijuudama explodes on impact. What if Sasuke fires an equal amount of (Enton) arrows in the Bijuudamas path, will they explode halfway or push the arrows away and fly towards Sasuke? Sasuke can make boss summon sized Enton arrows, which he proved.

It explodes on contact with an attack strong enough, or some kind of large wall. Bijuu Dama doesn't explode on contact with every thing or anything, as shown when Hashirama caught it, or when one tossed the Gedo Mazo miles away. Bijuu Dama plows through Susanoo arrows and blows Sasuke to bits.

 

[Haizaki]

If I'm correct, Didn't B only have the chance to escape because of what happened here:

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[RustledJimmies]

1. That's a Susanoo enhanced by Naruto's Chakra. Sasuke's Complete Susanoo is nowhere near that level power, not without any boost. So if Sasuke jumps toward B, he enters Bijuu Mode and manhandles his Susanoo with his tentacles, then blows it open with Bijuu Dama. Or he blows him away with Hachimaki and blows him to bits with Bijuu Dama.

I don't remember using the V3 Susano'o Nardo helped him create, I'm talking about his own version with Enton blade using Enton blade, which he created on his own, and again, as soon as Bee drops the tentacle, it will be plain obvious for Sasuke where Bee is, so he can go straight to the tentacle's direction before Bee comes out, as soon as he comes out, he gets cut, that simple. If he doesn't, then Sasuke cuts the tenacle along with Bee.

2. Sasuke has to get to B, and then hit him before he starts spinning, which isn't going to happen. His Susanoo isn't that fast and B's prep for his whirlwind isn't that long. So Susanoo gets blown away. And you keep saying Susanoo will bisect B, even though a Complete Susanoo doesn't have the feats that would allow me to believe it can bisect something as durable as a Bijuu.

Once again, Sasuke can go before he comes out of the tentacle and hit him as soon as he comes out, I already proved how fast it is, it's you who needs to prove Bee is fast enough to react to it and then grab his Susano'o without getting his arm cut by Enton blade. And he can pierce Bee and then bisect him vertically (don't reallly know a better way to explain it), inb4 you say he won't get pierced because he survived a Bijuu Dama, Five tails' horn already pierced him in canon [

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3. He can enter a partial Bijuu Mode with a Bijuu Dama formed right off the bat. The moment he transforms he'll have his Bijuu Dama prepped, then he fires it. B gets hit with the arrow, but survives (Arrow isn't killing him) while Sasuke gets hit with Bijuu Dama and dies.

Could you please explain me the bold ? I'm not sure I get it.

If I'm correct, Didn't B only have the chance to escape because of what happened here:

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Yes, but he has already shown to be able to replicate this feat on his own, but still, that's all assuming Bee will be able to do it while in pain with Amaterasu on his body.

 

[Apêx1]

This isnt even ribcage,

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its part ribcage, and part V2, so ur example here isnt valid,

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, is not much different to

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both of the ribcage are not as durable or powerful to even be a remote threat to bee thats for sure, as a V2 lariat would bust both of them open with ease

But it is, as shown again with Madara bearing the same features, it's simply an EMS type Ribcage [

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]. Ribcage's size depends on the amount of chakra manifested into it, more so for EMS users due to their ability to manipulate Susano at will. I've shown you Itachi's chakra arm too, it was much larger than this one, yet he was in v1, don't see the point in it, v1 and v2 are extremely distinguishable. And again, it is based on the amount of chakra he exerts into it, since it's a manifestation of chakra. Again, Sasuke has shown to do it even against Kabuto, albeit on a slightly weaker scale [

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]. Incorrect, Tsunade's strength is far superior to Bee, and can create shockwaves with mere punches like Sakura on a larger scale. What are Bee's pure strength feats to come close to such a thing? I'll answer that for you, he has none to compare.

Nope not really,

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is just as large and just as thick

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so ur point on EMS changing the properties of ribcage susanoo isnt valid, when both the susanoos look exactly the same and have the same shape, size and thickness

and how is susanoos bottom being closed? especially when we are not talking about legged susanno variants here,
when you are talking about ribcage beating bee Lol

Again, the amount of chakra you exert into a Susano is what its manifestation looks like. We can pull scans to support smaller and larger v1's all day, fact remains that Susano is a manifestation of chakra, thus the more you put into it the larger and thicker its armour grows. Either way, EMS has shown greater versatility with RIbcage, causing random extensions of it and using partial shields of it like Madara did.

Wrong

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, and knocked sasuke down,
and

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and inb4 the fallacy of susanoo being open, thats wrong,especially

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,, meaning that ribcage was busted just fine,

the difference between ems ribcage and ms ribcage is nowhere near enough to suggest that ribcage could survive V2 lariat,
ribcage overwhelming bee is a joke especially when it lacks the limbs to even attack bee from and it decreases the mobility of the user Lol

You showed me that you don't know how v1 works. If there are no Ribs covering the user himself, Susano doesn't act like much of a defence, it becomes gaseous chakra form which can easily be bypassed. In the scan you showed, it is clearly the case. The entire fron is completely open and its gaseous chakra form is abundant. I know you will say "no", but then I'll show you this [

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]. Madara would close the ribs where the lava was closer to the middle, and leave them open where the lava was further away from the centre. Why? Well it's clear, he doesn't want the lava to touch his real body. Hence, Sasuke's Susano was only beaten because the Sution bypassed the ribs which didn't engulf him.

Decreases the mobility of the user based on what? It simply means the user cannot attack with his own striking speed, but the Susano's, which is also impressive as I showed earlier. I don't see where it was ever implied to slow down the user imo. Susano tanked Tsunade's punches, which are implicatively far superior to Sakura's since she has greater chakra control and natural strength, whereas Sakura only possess the former. Sakura's punch caused this [

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], note that each of the Juubi clones is about the size, if not larger than Gamabunta. Bee could only dream of accomplishing 1/100th of this explosion, and Tsunade is superior to Sakura. Don't forget Tsunade casually smashed legged Susano's to the ground, yet could only manage to crack the Susano with a punch. This notion of v2 Lariat somehow comparing to Tsunade is ridiculous man.

V2 chakra cloaks create shockwaves that were seeen kilometres away

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and this

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and this is an entity thats inferior to V2 bee,
not to mention

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these shockwaves and attacks from even KN4 take a dump on tsuandes attacks/shockwaves which are superior to Ays as well,
meaning that V2 8-tails will do the same

furthermore,

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as they can be used to attack sasuke under the ground regardless of what susanoo hes in,

so claiming that tsunades attacks are stronger, let alone 50x stronger is just wrong, very wrong,

The scan you linked showed a small shockwave happen several meters away from his Bunshin. I don't see the big deal in that, the only thing impressive was his swipe which killed off the snakes, but even then, it's not 1/100th of Tsunade's power. Thos snakes added up didn't add up to a Bunta size, and I showed you how Sakura's punch dwarfed Bunta sized things/entities. How is it inferior to v2 Bee, when its chakra is much more powerful and potent, especially back then when its chakra was highly malicious? Only difference is the greater amount of tails, but the difference isn't that big to say its punch will jump from that level to anything greater than twice its power. Lol, not even close. Tsunade's punch in base is comparable, when she is using her Byakugo she is in her own league in terms of strength. Then again, Sakura has shown to be capable of seeing chakra beneath the surface [

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], thus Sasuke easily perceives the chakra arms and covers the bottom of his Susano like Madara did, or jumps away like Orochimaru did, who is slower than Sasuke and has no convenient method of perceiving it like Sasuke will. 50x is an understatement imo.

IF Sasukes in susanoo, his mobility is heavily decreased, as the defensive shield compensates for that lack in mobility,
furthermore sasuke being able to percieve bee doesnt make him faster, nor does it make him being able to evade its attacks, when bee has more than enough capability of landing a lariatt on him,
with this logic, otherwise one could say that crippled nagato is faster than bee because he can perceive him easily, yet he still ended up getting attacked by a lariat, and had it not been for preta the attack would have resulted in every bone in his body being broken

based on feats, base bees speed alone is superior to narutos, V2 bee would be running circles around susanoo,
and if sasuke resorts to attack him without his defense,

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only this time he wont have juugo or karins help to save him, and this time it wont be from V1, but V2 meaning that the attack would only be much stronger,

Based on what does v1 make you slower? He evaded v1 when he was tired from his fight with Itachi (Taka said this), he himself claimed orthodox movements are too easy to perceive. Going into v2 won't make a difference, he could only blitz Sasuke when Sasuke was off guard back then. Now, Sasuke can casually perceive Juubito's speed, which is years ahead of v2 Bee. Sasuke was keeping up with BM Naruto in terms of speed, bar shunshin, still much greater than v2 Bee. I never said Sasuke was faster than Bee, I believe. All he has to do is react and use Susano with his Enton. More so, Bee remains vulnerable to Amateratsu in v2, as Amateratsu follows wht the user is gazing at, thus if Sasuke can perceive Juubito's speed, he can definitely keep track of Bee.

Base Bee's speed is superior to what? KCM Naruto and v2 Ay are leagues ahead of Bee, I need some proof for what you are saying. Again, he was off guard, thinking Bee was under the influence of genjutsu. And yea, he won't have Karin and Juugo, he'l have an EMS and a Susano. I'd pick the latter.

I have debunked your claim about tsunade and onokis attack being superior, and what are you on about raw power being weak to susanoo??, ribcage or V2 susanoo are not doing anything to cloaked bee at all,
and Lol do you honestly think that a V2 hand is enough to hurt cloaked bee? Lol
when KN4 tanked a kusanagi blade with no damage, and KN6 withstood even a ST
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if V2 bee strikes susanoo sevveral times, the damage for the susanoo would only pile up, ribcage is just getting busted with one lariat, its been busted against weaker attacks, meanning that V2 bees attacks would just go through it,
and i have also mentioned the chakra arms going underneath the susanoo that will get sasuke hard, either that or repeated attacks from V2 bee would also bust V2 susanoo with ease,

Nothing was debunked bro. I didn't mean it that way, I explicitly said it in terms of surface area. As in, v2 Bee's hand is so

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that it would have to hit a massive amount of area at the same time, thus greater resistance, whereas Tsunade's punch is much smaller.

Yes, a Susano hand was capable of crushing Danzo, which requires an immense amount of force. I don't see how Bee's durability will allow him to take 0 damage whatsoever. You must not realise how much force is required to crush a human like that if you think Bee won't feel anything. Why are you giving Naruto's feats to Bee? Kurama is noted to be many times more durable than Bee, seeing how Bee took extreme amounts of damage from his own TBB, whereas the Kyuubi tanked the Juubi laser with less damage. The kyuubi is in his own league in terms of durability bar PS. Though I'll agree, he can stop Kusanagi rather easily, similarly to Naruto. Highly improbable that v2 Hachibi can tank a Kyuubi TBB when it can't even tank its own TBB in full BM. Durability is proportional based on the strength of the chakra, Kyuubi's being vastly superior to all of the Bijuu's bar Indra reincarnations as he himself stated (without referencing Indra).

No, v1 Susano easily stops Lariat, especially due to the size of its arm and having to create much more force to get through in comparison to a highly concentrated attack. Moreover, Susano's defence is based on the amount of chakra outputted, so no, 1 or 2 lariats won't do anything other than light Bee on fire. No, all these points are debunked. v2 Susano is untouched.

You clearly have not responded to my claim at all, but instead you are using samehada in ur response, which is nothing but wrong, seeing how samehada absorbs chakra, which enton or amaterasu have never been stated to do so,

first of all,

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why would amaterasu be any different,? seeing how its properties are just like any other fire, the only difference being its inextinguishable

What? It only absorbs 6 tails of chakra, nothing more, hence that is the shroud itself. I said Enton makes contact with v2 Bee and thus eats away at the chakra until it reaches Bee himself. You said he releases the shroud thus he loses all the tails in his v2 (14), don't be a straw man.

Because Katon doesn't stick to its target, whereas Enton does? Because Enton ate through a Katon itself Because Katon temporarily burns and can be removed with water, whereas Enton cannot be extinguished with water? It's already been shown against Hachibi, you can't deny this. It eats through the chakra like it ate through the Katon. Either way, Full BM Hachibi was screaming in agony [

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], Juubito's body was melting from Enton [

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], I need no more than this to justify why v2 Bee's body is annihalated if he doesn't remove his shroud like you initially claimed.

secondly, V1 and V2 is chakra, you cant burn chakra,, thats not how it works, especially seeing how kuramas chakra tails managed to repel the flames as well, meaning that V2 shroud can do the exact same thing,
and not to mention that chakra can be replaced, thereforee any of thee affected area that is hit by the flames would just be dropped by the chakra as bee can simply replace it,

thirdly, bee just has to drop the chakra part thats affected by the flames, which isnt that much, unlike samehada which absorbed six tails worth of chakra, the area thats affected by amaterasu isnt even remotely affecting bee, nor is it taking away any chakra from bee, he can drop that small affected area and replace it with ease,

you have not won the argument, far from it,

Yes you can, Hachibi is made of chakra as a Bijuu, and said it was a 'close one' implying he could've died from the Amateratsu. If chakra cannot be burned, than Hachibi would've been unaffected. If chakra cannot be burned, than Amateratsu would've pushed Sasuke's senjutsu Katon like Sasuke's senjutsu Katon was pushing back Itachi's. However, it didn't push it back, it ate through it. When did Kurama's tails catch on fire from Enton? Dem fan-fics. Bee would have to replace the entire shroud, as you said earlier.

Since when can someone drop a small piece of their v2 shroud? Scans? More so, it doesn't even matter if he can (he can't) because Sasuke controls his Enton. Controlling Enton means he can make it engulf Bee's entire v2 shroud, where he instantly removes it or dies a few seconds later.

But I have.

 

[Haizaki]

Yes, but he has already shown to be able to replicate this feat on his own, but still, that's all assuming Bee will be able to do it while in pain with Amaterasu on his body.

Can't remember when exactly though?

 

[RustledJimmies]

Can't remember when exactly though?

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, there might be more than this occasion, I can't recall any of them right now though.

 

[Apêx1]

No, I don't think Enton will cut up the Hachibi's body. Will it pierce? Sure. Deep enough to actually dismember him? Nope. But there is clearly some misconception on Enton. Sasuke can't set something on fire, and then manipulate the flame. Every time he's used Enton him or his chakra has been touching the flame, thus its a requirement to manipulate it.

Sasuke manipulated the Enton that was already on the ice, which was a distance away from him (since Amateratsu spawns). Being able to deactivate Amateratsu flames after they have already burned through a target is a form of Enton, and both Itachi and Sasuke can use this weaker and simpler form of Enton, thus the flames always carry a connection with the user.

If I'm correct, Didn't B only have the chance to escape because of what happened here:

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Yes, that's correct.

 

[Haizaki]

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, there might be more than this occasion, I can't recall any of them right now though.

No that's because the Juubi's laser cut it off..You can see Kurama's tails as well