killer Bee vs base Minato

[Killua Zoldyck]

Minato put tags in four corners allowing the Hokage to set up the barrier. Any Bijuu Dama could explode at those corners, and Minato would be safe because its far enough away. KCM Minato is much faster, so he'd set up tags in much farther distances, so that isn't an issue.

Where is the bold coming from? 1 Bijuu Dama was shown to be this guy's limit, or at least it did moderate to serious damage to him when it hit directly. That isn't bare minimum. If it was he'd have light injuries. So Minato not being able to put him down is wrong.

Bijuu Hachimaki blew them back, it didn't take them out. KCM Minato is far more durable than any of those Jins anyway.

Does Minato start with FTG tags a few kilometers away in all four corners? And even if he does, that basically a counter to 4 Bijudamas, while Bee can fire off way more then that.

It took Hachibi out temporarily, but you can't exclude all the other damage he took prior, and he certainly took quiet a beating prior to even using the Bijudama.

It temporarily incapacitated them. Sure, but base Minato is not.

 

[Haizaki]

Minato loses the first since he has no way of putting B down. The second is a sure win for him.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Minato loses the first since he has no way of putting B down. The second is a sure win for him.

Shadow clone repear death seal ftw

 

[KidGamer65]

Does Minato start with FTG tags a few kilometers away in all four corners? And even if he does, that basically a counter to 4 Bijudamas, while Bee can fire off way more then that.

Hence why I said that he had to set them up, and B can only fire 4 Bijuu Dama at a time, or he can redirect them right at B himself, after getting out its blast radius first.

It took Hachibi out temporarily, but you can't exclude all the other damage he took prior, and he certainly took quiet a beating prior to even using the Bijudama.

Most the damage he received was superficial. Tentacles getting cut off and the like. He was also suppressed by Obito's chains, but that isn't physical damage. He wasn't even that injured.

It temporarily incapacitated them. Sure, but base Minato is not. [/FONT]

Good thing I'm not talking about Base Minato.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Hence why I said that he had to set them up, and B can only fire 4 Bijuu Dama at a time, or he can redirect them right at B himself, after getting out its blast radius first.

And Bee will let him? If he stars running away, Bee fires off a Bijudama in his direction and its GG. He can't re-direct is at Bee without tagging the latter, and if he simply puts it in Bee's general location, it won't even fore him to switch out, considering it took the full blunt force of a Bijudama to take him out, after tanking many many other attacks prior.

Most the damage he received was superficial. Tentacles getting cut off and the like. He was also suppressed by Obito's chains, but that isn't physical damage. He wasn't even that injured.

Most but not all. There is only so much one can endure. Pain is still pain in the end.

 

[Touken]

He was going to use it to damage the Raikage after FRS failed. He's not going to use a weaker jutsu of course, so it's stronger.

I'm just going to focus on this since I see what you're saying; that because FRS damaged Kurama, a mini Bijuu Bomb should do more damage considering it's stronger (which is false). I'm pretty sure we've gone over this before. The mini Bijuu Bomb isn't stronger than FRS, and the only reason he was going to use it against the 3rd was because he was told that the Hachibi must have damaged him somehow [

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], and he knew that the Bijuu's strongest attack was the Bijuu Bomb [

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], which led him to believe that it must have been the Bijuu Bomb that led to that scar. He also knew that the Hachibi was capable of using full-blown Bijuu Bombs [

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] so then why would Naruto aim for something much smaller than the full one if he knew the full Bijuu Bomb is the only thing capable of damaging the Sandaime? Not to mention that Naruto didn't want a mini version of the Bijuu Bomb. You can clearly see he was still adding more black and white chakra [

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], meaning he was aiming to make the Bijuu Bomb as large as he possibly could, so I'm pretty sure all this proves that FRS is stronger than the mini Bijuu Bomb.

 

[KidGamer65]

And Bee will let him? If he stars running away, Bee fires off a Bijudama in his direction and its GG. He can't re-direct is at Bee without tagging the latter, and if he simply puts it in Bee's general location, it won't even fore him to switch out, considering it took the full blunt force of a Bijudama to take him out, after tanking many many other attacks prior.

Or, clones mark B, easy task when he's in Full Hachibi Form and then the real Minato, whilst running, absorbs the Bijuu Dama with S/T Barrier and then releases it right on top of the marking, meaning he takes a direct hit, and what "Other attacks" did B tank that caused so much damage to him, that would allow you to factor it in here?

Most but not all. There is only so much one can endure. Pain is still pain in the end.

If Hachibi is only getting his tentacles cut off, then its not really damage, cause he can continue with his tentacles cut off, nor does he even feel pain from that. Its the damage his main body endures that is what factors in here, cause that is where he feels the pain.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm just going to focus on this since I see what you're saying; that because FRS damaged Kurama, a mini Bijuu Bomb should do more damage considering it's stronger (which is false). I'm pretty sure we've gone over this before. The mini Bijuu Bomb isn't stronger than FRS, and the only reason he was going to use it against the 3rd was because he was told that the Hachibi must have damaged him somehow [

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], and he knew that the Bijuu's strongest attack was the Bijuu Bomb [

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], which led him to believe that it must have been the Bijuu Bomb that led to that scar. He also knew that the Hachibi was capable of using full-blown Bijuu Bombs [

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] so then why would Naruto aim for something much smaller than the full one if he knew the full Bijuu Bomb is the only thing capable of damaging the Sandaime? Not to mention that Naruto didn't want a mini version of the Bijuu Bomb. You can clearly see he was still adding more black and white chakra [

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], meaning he was aiming to make the Bijuu Bomb as large as he possibly could, so I'm pretty sure all this proves that FRS is stronger than the mini Bijuu Bomb.

That makes sense, I agree.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Or, clones mark B, easy task when he's in Full Hachibi Form and then the real Minato, whilst running, absorbs the Bijuu Dama with S/T Barrier and then releases it right on top of the marking, meaning he takes a direct hit, and what "Other attacks" did B tank that caused so much damage to him, that would allow you to factor it in here?

Clones are not marking Bee. They are much slower then the original. And Hachibi is likely to start with Bijū Hachimaki anyways. All the attacks that pierced him, alcaline acid, horns to the chest, rolling spikey turtle in his hand, smacked around by Son Goku etc....

If Hachibi is only getting his tentacles cut off, then its not really damage, cause he can continue with his tentacles cut off, nor does he even feel pain from that. Its the damage his main body endures that is what factors in here, cause that is where he feels the pain.

Its pain. Pain adds up, he switched out because of the pain.

 

[KidGamer65]

Clones are not marking Bee. They are much slower then the original.

Gonna need proof of this. Base Minato marking Hachibi is child's play considering its not fast, B in any form shouldn't be able to react to Minato's KCM Shunshin, meaning he gets marked.

And Hachibi is likely to start with Bijū Hachimaki anyways.

Don't see how its going to help him. He'll only succeed in pushing Minato far away enough to spread his markings and tags allowing him to counter any Bijuu Dama.

alcaline acid,

Where?

horns to the chest,

Only thing that counts.

rolling spikey turtle in his hand,

Gonna need proof that this hurt him, cause as far as the manga showed, it didn't. But since Bijuu Rasengan has been shown to be weaker than FRS, it hampers my argument a bit, but not by much. B was still damaged by attacks from the Bijuu, so while this won't put him down with one strike, there is no way he'll tank it with no damage at all.

smacked around by Son Goku etc....

Pretty sure he was only tossed once.

Its pain. Pain adds up, he switched out because of the pain.

If someone punches me, and I feel a bit of pain, but nothing too serious. Then someone hits me even harder and breaks my arm, are we going to say that the person who punched me first contributed to my broken arm? Obviously not.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Gonna need proof of this. Base Minato marking Hachibi is child's play considering its not fast, B in any form shouldn't be able to react to Minato's KCM Shunshin, meaning he gets marked.

Bee reacted to Minatos the second he got behind him with FTG, reacting to Minatos Shunshin is child's play. Clones are slower, the fact that they somehow manage to even be slower in using FTG should be proof enough.

Don't see how its going to help him. He'll only succeed in pushing Minato far away enough to spread his markings and tags allowing him to counter any Bijuu Dama.

It will hurt Minato, if he follows up with a Bijudama its GG. Heck, even if Minato makes a clone and try's to run away, how is that stopping Hachibi from using a Bijudama.

Where?

When he tried to crush 6-Tails.

Gonna need proof that this hurt him, cause as far as the manga showed, it didn't. But since Bijuu Rasengan has been shown to be weaker than FRS, it hampers my argument a bit, but not by much. B was still damaged by attacks from the Bijuu, so while this won't put him down with one strike, there is no way he'll tank it with no damage at all.

If someone cuts off your finger, will it hurt? Of course he will take damage, but it won't stop him.

Pretty sure he was only tossed once.

Don't know, but its what chipped his tooth.

If someone punches me, and I feel a bit of pain, but nothing too serious. Then someone hits me even harder and breaks my arm, are we going to say that the person who punched me first contributed to my broken arm? Obviously not.

No it would go something like this:

If your in a fist fight and someone punches you in the ribs, its going to hurt like a bi!ch and hinder you, if you get punched again, it will hurt and will hinder you, if you get punched again, it will hurt and will hinder you. All these hinderances adds up to your sum total of damage you can take which is defined by endurance and eventually reach a maximum threshold, at which point you won't be capable of fighting anymore.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bee reacted to Minatos the second he got behind him with FTG, reacting to Minatos Shunshin is child's play. Clones are slower, the fact that they somehow manage to even be slower in using FTG should be proof enough.

1. Lol, no, he didn't. He only predicted that Minato would come after him, allowing him to set his Kunai. Not to mention that was Base Minato. KCM Minato>>Base Minato in every kind of speed there is. Reactions, movement speed, and Shunshin.

2. Clones being slower when using Hiraishin is either because of the jutsu, or because of the reaction speed of the clones. Either way, that doesn't prove that they are much slower like you claimed, nor does it prove that B can react to KCM Minato's Shunshin.

It will hurt Minato, if he follows up with a Bijudama its GG. Heck, even if Minato makes a clone and try's to run away, how is that stopping Hachibi from using a Bijudama.

Lol, no, it won't. It'll blow him back. It briefly knocked Jins not even wearing their cloaks down. KCM's durability>>>>Their unenhanced durability. Hachimaki isn't doing any kind of damage, and following up with Bijuu Dama doesn't mean GG, it means Minato absorbs it into his Space Time Barrier, and then lets it rip elsewhere.

Never said it was. In fact, I specifically stated that Minato can suck up the Bijuu Dama, while the clones spread markings out of its area. That's if it he wants to redirect it elsewhere.

If he wants to redirect it at B, he has a clone mark his full Hachibi form, and when the Bijuu Dama is fired, he gets out range with Shunshin, and then sucks it in and hits B with it.

If someone cuts off your finger, will it hurt? Of course he will take damage, but it won't stop him.

If someone continues to cut off all my fingers, will it stop me? Yes.

No it would go something like this:

If your in a fist fight and someone punches you in the ribs, its going to hurt like a bi!ch and hinder you, if you get punched again, it will hurt and will hinder you, if you get punched again, it will hurt and will hinder you. All these hinderances adds up to your sum total of damage you can take which is defined by endurance and eventually reach a maximum threshold, at which point you won't be capable of fighting anymore.

Except B getting injured wasn't at a rate as fast as I'd be getting injured in a fist fight, that would render your point moot. If I sat out of the fight for a while and came back, my injuries from beforehand wouldn't matter unless they were significant enough to do lasting damage. B endured no such injuries.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Bee babyshakes in scene 1. Scene 2 could go either way im still leaning towards Bee though.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

1. Lol, no, he didn't. He only predicted that Minato would come after him, allowing him to set his Kunai. Not to mention that was Base Minato. KCM Minato>>Base Minato in every kind of speed there is. Reactions, movement speed, and Shunshin.

2. Clones being slower when using Hiraishin is either because of the jutsu, or because of the reaction speed of the clones. Either way, that doesn't prove that they are much slower like you claimed, nor does it prove that B can react to KCM Minato's Shunshin.

1. How do you know he knew he was tagged, Minato was careful in placing the tag secretly. Minato FTG + Movement speed > KCM Minato Shunshin.

2. Look at Zabuzas clone, look at Kisames clone, look at Hashiramas clone. All clones are weaker then the original in every way, speed is no exception.

Lol, no, it won't. It'll blow him back. It briefly knocked Jins not even wearing their cloaks down. KCM's durability>>>>Their unenhanced durability. Hachimaki isn't doing any kind of damage, and following up with Bijuu Dama doesn't mean GG, it means Minato absorbs it into his Space Time Barrier, and then lets it rip elsewhere.

Never said it was. In fact, I specifically stated that Minato can suck up the Bijuu Dama, while the clones spread markings out of its area. That's if it he wants to redirect it elsewhere.

If he wants to redirect it at B, he has a clone mark his full Hachibi form, and when the Bijuu Dama is fired, he gets out range with Shunshin, and then sucks it in and hits B with it.

No, because Minato would not have a tag to transport it to. Bee uses a Bijudama on a running Minato and its GG.

If someone continues to cut off all my fingers, will it stop me? Yes.

If your fighting in a war, no. It won't stop me at least, I don't know about you.

Except B getting injured wasn't at a rate as fast as I'd be getting injured in a fist fight, that would render your point moot. If I sat out of the fight for a while and came back, my injuries from beforehand wouldn't matter unless they were significant enough to do lasting damage. B endured no such injuries.

If you get stabbed by a knife, it will hurt for many weeks, maybe even months. If you put your hand in alkaline acid, it will hurt for many weeks. If you cut off yor fingers, it will hurt for many weeks. If you had you face bashed into the ground, it will hurt for many days, kept your hand on a rolling spikey ball to make it stop rolling, it will hurt for many weeks. Then we have the offscreen fight against the Mazu in which I doubt Bee was uninjured. Bee endured plenty of injuries.

 

[Kagustuchi]

B took a Bijuu Dama and lost his Bijuu Dama. Bijuu Rasengan is > FRS, which did some damage to Kurama, who is more durable than the Hachibi. If he gets hit directly my more than one of these attacks, there is no way he'll stay in Bijuu Dama.

The sheer fact that he lost his BM and ended up taking a lot of damage means that weaker attacks still have a chance to damage him, its not like he took it with no damage.

The feats Naruto used inside his Head aren't applicable. He's never done anything outside of his head on a level even remotely near what he did inside his head, nor can he fly (bar Rikudo form) or take peoples chakra. Naruto's dream FRS was stronger than Minato's Biju Rasengan as well, while the Kyuubi got a massive nerf.

The Hachibi also went back inside because of exhaustion. That doesn't mean every time he gets hit with a strong attack he's going to revert.​

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[RustledJimmies]

Bee babyshakes both scenarios. Come at me, KidGamer.

 

[wael reda]

honestly ,base young bee who panted after using hachibi tail ,reacted to minato’s ftg twice,
the first when he protected ay from minato’s teleportation by his tail
,the second when he reacted to minato’s teleporting behind him by aiming his kunai towards minato

i think bee stands better chances if he used his V2 and didnt go up to BM as minato’s redicting attacks by s/t barrier would be annoying to BM

i really cant decide who wins

 

[shelke]

Bee slaughters in both scenarios. Minato blitzing Bee in any form is pure fan-fiction, when he couldn't land a surprise attack on teenage Bee. Bee on the other hand - way back then - reacted to both his FTG attacks; once for Raikage and other time for himself. He reacted and matched V2 Ae's Lariat and in fact, threw him back, the former got smashed through the rocks. This not only proves that Bee is monstrously fast but he has immense durability as well.

Minato pulling off odd ratio chakra of Bijuu Rasangan right off the bat is invalid. He isn't doing it, so let's try to understand this at least. The second Bee goes BM, it's over for Minato. At CQC, Minato isn't lasting a second against an opponent who can pull out V1 and V2 forms. Minato hasn't shown to maintain more than one clone in KCM form in battle, and that's what is canon. I won't buy any fanboy garbage that he can maintain more without any scan backing this up. If someone thinks that they can get away with 'holding back' joke, then they can take that nonsense elsewhere.

Bee doesn't need to fire one BD, he can shoot off continuous ones to get around the barrier. If one gets teleported, then others are sure to make it through. The thing requires hand-seals, so it is not like he has the luxury to pull out another barrier to transport more out of the way. Unless he doesn't teleport out of the vicinity, he's done.

His Rasangan is not doing anything to V1 form, and given Bee's amazing reflexes, he can react and evade his attacks after teleportation. He did it when he was a mere kid, he can do it much better this time. I have't even touched upon Bee's Kenjutsu feats. He can use them in V1 form as well, use partial transformation to stalemate Minato and guard himself against Rasangan if necessary.

Minato isn't wining any of these.