killer Bee vs base Minato

[Gold Lightning]

Considering Ay down right said minato was someone who he thought would never be surpassed (that includes Bee) and then bee himself trembles at his name XD. It's pointless to even argue, minato craps on him, you don't tremble in fear if you actually have more than enough power or even a chance at defeat someone.

 

[KidGamer65]

Here Sakura stated "how to remove the Bijuu"

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then Chiyo stated

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Minato's sealing jutsus are far superior to B's
and his matches even Kurama's...

so, I don't see why would it be impossible foe him to do that to B who has both weaker seal, and weaker Bijuu...

But she said that it takes a considerable amount of time...though I see what you're saying, and I don't see why its not possible.

 

[Oblivionx]

Minato takes both scenarios... he cuts down BM like he did in cannon with a kunai... and it's easy to mark bee in BM so he sends bee's own TBB on him and then slaughters base bee...

 

[ARGUS]

1. The reason he couldn't do it wasn't because of his human form, it was because he didn't have the ratio down pat. If it was the chakra ratio combined with the fact he's in human form that caused Naruto's failure, then he wouldn't be able to use a Super Mini Bijuu Dama. But he can, so that shows that Bijuu Dama is possible in human form, just not at its normal scale.

2. Naruto had used up his KCM chakra doing that. It wasn't solely because he failed to create the Bijuu Dama.

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,, and if

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then cllaiming that Minato would be spamming bijuu rasengans is wrong
furthermore,

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, not to mention that Naruto =/= Minato, nor is minato in his BM state here, nor does he have the feats of using it, let alone spamming it

 

[Touken]

S/T Barrier counters Bijuu Dama, Hiraishin lets him evade the rest of B's arsenal, and Bijuu Rasengan (basically a Rasengan sized Bijuu Dama) provides him enough power to put B down even when in Bijuu Mode, with multiple hits of course as its stronger than FRS, that's why Naruto was going to use it after the former jutsu failed against the Raikage, and FRS did some moderate damage to the far more durable Kurama when Naruto was fighting him, so B getting bombarded by attacks stronger than FRS means he'll lose his full Bijuu form.

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to use it is the

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, and the capability to form Bijuu Dama correctly. Minato can do both.

How's he going to use Bijuu-sized Rasengans in KCM? The only time we've seen that attack was when Minato was in his Kurama Avatar.

 

[Bogard]

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,, and if

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then cllaiming that Minato would be spamming bijuu rasengans is wrong
furthermore,

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, not to mention that Naruto =/= Minato, nor is minato in his BM state here, nor does he have the feats of using it, let alone spamming it

In KCM when he first tried to use rasengan, he couldn't but created a failed variation of TBB(Biju rasengan) instead

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He even thought later it was impossible for him to create rasengan in this form

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That was because he couldn't control the ratio and was using the dark chakra much more than the white(9.5 black, 0.5 white):

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And that is when you forget to mention the fact that he needed additional chakra arms just to perform it

On the other side, in KCM2 Minato instantly managed to create a rasengan without struggling at all(and a bigger one than what Naruto ever showed us at it)

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It means that Minato controls the white/black ratio even better than Naruto

 

[Kagustuchi]

S/T Barrier counters Bijuu Dama, Hiraishin lets him evade the rest of B's arsenal, and Bijuu Rasengan (basically a Rasengan sized Bijuu Dama) provides him enough power to put B down even when in Bijuu Mode, with multiple hits of course as its stronger than FRS, that's why Naruto was going to use it after the former jutsu failed against the Raikage, and FRS did some moderate damage to the far more durable Kurama when Naruto was fighting him, so B getting bombarded by attacks stronger than FRS means he'll lose his full Bijuu form.

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to use it is the

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, and the capability to form Bijuu Dama correctly. Minato can do both.

Bee tanked a Bijudama while in BM. Biju Rasengan isn't going to do anything to him. Just that part was nagging me.

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Bee wrecks S1 but loses S2.

Also, @ Bogard

Making the Biju Rasengan doesn't put him over Naruto in terms of Rasengan. He was able to do it because the Kurama avatar allows Naruto/Minato a much higher level of Knead/Release than is possible than with apendages alone. That's why KCM Naruto couldn't use a full Bijudama and needed the BM avatar. Naruto could create that same Rasengan using his BM avatar with no problem.​

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[Brother Numpsay]

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,, and if

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then cllaiming that Minato would be spamming bijuu rasengans is wrong
furthermore,

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, not to mention that Naruto =/= Minato, nor is minato in his BM state here, nor does he have the feats of using it, let alone spamming it

KCM was able to use it eventually [

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]. But I do agree with you that it can't be spam with clones.

 

[ARGUS]

KCM was able to use it eventually [

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]. But I do agree with you that it can't be spam with clones.

Well Naruto=/=Minato
we cant just give him the feat of doing it,
and yes, spamming this is just ridiculous, and unheard of

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Minato is one of my favourite characters, but this is ridiculous. How on earth does Minato win? He can only re-direct Bijudamas to his tags, and if the tags are in his general area, he is still going to get hit by the explosion and die. He has nothing that can even remotely injure Hachibi in base or in KCM since it takes a Bijudama at the bare minimum. Minato does not have an answer to Bijū Hachimaki either, which took out 6 Jinchurikis in their V1 states.

Minato needs BM to beat Bee.

 

[Rιver]

Minato is one of my favourite characters, but this is ridiculous. How on earth does Minato win? He can only re-direct Bijudamas to his tags, and if the tags are in his general area, he is still going to get hit by the explosion and die. He has nothing that can even remotely injure Hachibi in base or in KCM since it takes a Bijudama at the bare minimum. Minato does not have an answer to Bijū Hachimaki either, which took out 6 Jinchurikis in their V1 states.

Minato needs BM to beat Bee.

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[NSUNSR]

The bijuudama that KCM Naruto tried to do which was hyped to be stronger than FRS was a

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than the one KCM Naruto

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against Obito and in the end the

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wasn't that great at all. Super Mini TBB is nowhere near FRS level and Minato has nothing to defeat Hachibi with.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bee tanked a Bijudama while in BM. Biju Rasengan isn't going to do anything to him. Just that part was nagging me.

B took a Bijuu Dama and lost his Bijuu Dama. Bijuu Rasengan is > FRS, which did some damage to Kurama, who is more durable than the Hachibi. If he gets hit directly my more than one of these attacks, there is no way he'll stay in Bijuu Dama.

The sheer fact that he lost his BM and ended up taking a lot of damage means that weaker attacks still have a chance to damage him, its not like he took it with no damage.

 

[KidGamer65]

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Seems familiar...oh wait, its the same exact post I just replied to.

1. The reason he couldn't do it wasn't because of his human form, it was because he didn't have the ratio down pat. If it was the chakra ratio combined with the fact he's in human form that caused Naruto's failure, then he wouldn't be able to use a Super Mini Bijuu Dama. But he can, so that shows that Bijuu Dama is possible in human form, just not at its normal scale.

Did you even read my previous post? If the ratio was impossible in human form, then Naruto wouldn't be able to use Mini Bijuu Dama, which he can in KCM as EjBlack showed us, meaning once he got the ratio down pat, he could use it.

2. Naruto had used up his KCM chakra doing that. It wasn't solely because he failed to create the Bijuu Dama.

Naruto split his chakra 14 times and wasn't friendly with Kurama, so he had a very limited supply of KCM chakra. Failing one Bijuu Dama isn't going to make him revert. Lmfao.

then cllaiming that Minato would be spamming bijuu rasengans is wrong
furthermore,

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, not to mention that Naruto =/= Minato, nor is minato in his BM state here, nor does he have the feats of using it, let alone spamming it

Are we really going to use this piss poor reasoning here? The only thing needed is to be able to complete the ratio successfully. Saying that Minato can't use Bijuu Rasengan in human form is equivalent to saying he doesn't know how to make Rasengan, or Bijuu Dama correctly, and manga shows you are wrong here, so you are wrong period.

Naruto=/=Minato is a terrible excuse.

How's he going to use Bijuu-sized Rasengans in KCM? The only time we've seen that attack was when Minato was in his Kurama Avatar.

I'm talking about Bijuu Rasengan, basically a Rasengan sized Bijuu Dama, not a Bijuu Sized Rasengan.

Well Naruto=/=Minato
we cant just give him the feat of doing it,
and yes, spamming this is just ridiculous, and unheard of

Based on what? If Minato=/=Naruto is your only argument, you might as well stop, cause its invalid and a poor attempt at grasping at straws. And I don't know where you got spam from, but nobody has ever said he'd spam it here.

The bijuudama that KCM Naruto tried to do which was hyped to be stronger than FRS was a

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than the one KCM Naruto

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against Obito and in the end the

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wasn't that great at all. Super Mini TBB is nowhere near FRS level and Minato has nothing to defeat Hachibi with.

You do know there is nothing stopping him from making one that large right? Lmao.

Minato is one of my favourite characters, but this is ridiculous. How on earth does Minato win? He can only re-direct Bijudamas to his tags, and if the tags are in his general area, he is still going to get hit by the explosion and die. He has nothing that can even remotely injure Hachibi in base or in KCM since it takes a Bijudama at the bare minimum. Minato does not have an answer to Bijū Hachimaki either, which took out 6 Jinchurikis in their V1 states.

Minato needs BM to beat Bee.

Minato put tags in four corners allowing the Hokage to set up the barrier. Any Bijuu Dama could explode at those corners, and Minato would be safe because its far enough away. KCM Minato is much faster, so he'd set up tags in much farther distances, so that isn't an issue.

Where is the bold coming from? 1 Bijuu Dama was shown to be this guy's limit, or at least it did moderate to serious damage to him when it hit directly. That isn't bare minimum. If it was he'd have light injuries. So Minato not being able to put him down is wrong.

Bijuu Hachimaki blew them back, it didn't take them out. KCM Minato is far more durable than any of those Jins anyway.

 

[NSUNSR]

You do know there is nothing stopping him from making one that large right? Lmao.

Yes there is something. Even BM Naruto

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. Unless Minato uses full BM he can;t use anything stronger than

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.

 

[Touken]

I'm talking about Bijuu Rasengan, basically a Rasengan sized Bijuu Dama, not a Bijuu Sized Rasengan.

Oh, I get you then. Don't see how a mini Bijuu Bomb is going to hurt the Hachibi anyway considering he took a far larger one and survived.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh, I get you then. Don't see how a mini Bijuu Bomb is going to hurt the Hachibi anyway considering he took a far larger one and survived.

He took the larger one and survived, but was so injured that the Hachibi pulled back. The fact he was heavily injured means that if he keeps getting hammered with Bijuu Rasengan, which are stronger than FRS, which did moderate damage to the more durable Kurama, then he'll eventually lose his Bijuu Dama.

Yes there is something. Even BM Naruto

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. Unless Minato uses full BM he can;t use anything stronger than

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Didn't=/=Couldn't. It was stated the only reason Naruto failed was the ratio. Which he learned how to do.

 

[Touken]

He took the larger one and survived, but was so injured that the Hachibi pulled back. The fact he was heavily injured means that if he keeps getting hammered with Bijuu Rasengan, which are stronger than FRS, which did moderate damage to the more durable Kurama, then he'll eventually lose his Bijuu Dama.

I think you're overestimating how powerful a mini Bijuu Bomb is. Sure, he took the larger one and survived, but the larger one is so much bigger than the mini version there's no point trying to establish that the latter will do any damage to the Hachibi.

How is a mini Bijuu Bomb stronger than FRS?

 

[NSUNSR]

He took the larger one and survived, but was so injured that the Hachibi pulled back. The fact he was heavily injured means that if he keeps getting hammered with Bijuu Rasengan, which are stronger than FRS, which did moderate damage to the more durable Kurama, then he'll eventually lose his Bijuu Dama.
Didn't=/=Couldn't. It was stated the only reason Naruto failed was the ratio. Which he learned how to do.

What exactly makes you think that Naruto wouldn't try to put as much of his power as possible in his attacks especially against such enemies?

 

[KidGamer65]

I think you're overestimating how powerful a mini Bijuu Bomb is. Sure, he took the larger one and survived, but the larger one is so much bigger than the mini version there's no point trying to establish that the latter will do any damage to the Hachibi.

What you guys are saying is equivalent to saying that since Kaguya's chakra arms destroyed Susanoo, but Sasuke survived, meaning its the bare minimum needed to actually destroy Susanoo, that nothing weaker used in multiples can hurt his Susanoo, even though that reasoning is false.

He took the larger one, and was forced out of Bijuu Mode. Its not like he tanked it and stayed around for the fight, he was forced out and sustained heavy injuries.

Kurama>Hachibi when it comes to durability. FRS did this to Kurama.

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Are you telling me that Hachibi is going to shrug off something that Kurama couldn't?

How is a mini Bijuu Bomb stronger than FRS?

He was going to use it to damage the Raikage after FRS failed. He's not going to use a weaker jutsu of course, so it's stronger.

What exactly makes you think that Naruto wouldn't try to put as much of his power as possible in his attacks especially against such enemies?

Cause its not necessary. Naruto wasn't using his biggest Bijuu Dama against any of his opponents after Obito's Six Paths. Does that mean he can't do it? Nope. Especially since they were fighting someone, where power isn't needed to kill them, nor is it recommended (Obito)