Killer Bee Takes the gauntlet

[DMT]

Muu wins

Prime Mu solos

 

[Demonic.]

He was injured but it didn't slow him down, he went to rest afterwards because he reached his own limit as he said..The bold doesn't make sense. Because one was protected from an attack which is much better than taking the attack means they can't take the attack?

Not without drawbacks. Never said it wouldn't be able to tank it.

Then B uses a weaker Bijuudama to begin with. He tanked a full powered bijuudama as stated here

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and he even has Samehada which can heal him here in this case.

Ok.

Not to mention, I gave a strategy of how he doesn't have to hit himself....He'll do what Kurama did at VOTE against WD like I showed.

Even if Bee tries to replicate what Madara did at VotE, Hashi can easily slap Bee's BD back at him with his Hotei no jutsu

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Hahsirama is going to keep brining out WD after it's countered? Doesn't sound smart when he didn't do that in the Manga. Still doesn;t matter when B can heal with Samehada.

I'll admit i didn't account for Samehada's healing factor so I can see why it was a faulty premise now.

It would still serve as a good distraction while Hashirama sets up Jukai kotan.

If Bee fires off Bijuudama in an attempt to destroy the forest Hashi already stated he could redirect Juubito's BD away:

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But since there are no feats of him actually doing so I'll concede here.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He said he can teleport one away, while it's stationary. Different from redirecting one coming right at him.

He isn't beating Pain,Minato or Itachi .

 

[Red Slayer]

Stops at 5 and losses all above....(4 is debatable)

 

[RustledJimmies]

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Didnt Bee need Naruto's help to escape this? Lol Stops at 11.

With full knowledge, he simply uses Bijuu Dama to plow through Mokuryu like Kurama did in canon with a standard Bijuu Dama.

 

[KidGamer65]

He isn't beating Pain,Minato or Itachi .

Pain stands the best chance of victory, but even then he loses.

Stops at 11

But Kakuzu and Sasori beat him without BM mode KG Lol

Not a chance. Neither can even damage him let alone defeat him. Kisame has better speed feats than both, and V2 B outright blitz him. He'd do the same to these clowns, and Domu doesn't even have the feats to tank a V2 Lariat, so don't even say it. Nor is Gian piercing the V2 cloak, not when it's equal, Raikiri, failed to do so.

Lol @ anyone implying B stands a chance against Hashirama in Round 11.

-B gets manhandled by Hotei hands that rivaled Full Kurama in size, and Full Kurama dwarfs Gyuki.

-Any Bijuu Dama he fires is smacked away/redirected by those same hands, or it's outright tanked by Hobi, considering it tanked Full Kurama's Standard Bijuu Dama, which should be larger than Gyuki's given the size difference between Full Kurama and Gyuki.

-Hotei Hands give Hashirama the opening he needs to get Mokuryu around Killer B, which then drains and suppresses his chakra, allowing Hashirama to end his BM w/ Kakuan Nitten Suishu. Even if he just sent Mokuryu after B head on, and the latter countered with Bijuu Dama. Hashirama would catch it, redirect it, and knock him out of Bijuu Mode.

-Base B is crushed by any of Hashirama's following jutsu.

 

[KingHashirama]

Loses the first.......

4th Kazekage + Sakura = he sealed .

 

[TRE MERCER]

Pain stands the best chance of victory, but even then he loses.

You about that debate life bro?

Pain shits let me summarize it for you.

Bijuudama's gets sent flying back right at Bee just like the Boss toads. If he doesn't go full BM Preta,Deva and Asura path murks his v2 cloak. He also has no way to put down Cerberus without BM as well. Hachibi is then crushed via FSST. Or CT once he's down.

 

[KidGamer65]

You about that debate life bro?

Pain shits let me summarize it for you.

Bijuudama's gets sent flying back right at Bee just like the Boss toads.

Then he'd curl up, take the blow, and finish Deva off during his cooldown.

If he doesn't go full BM Preta,Deva and Asura path murks his v2 cloak.

Agreed.

He also has no way to put down Cerberus without BM as well.

Agreed.

Hachibi is then crushed via FSST. Or CT once he's down.

If Pain can get it off, he can probably knock the Hachibi out, but considering he has to shut off his paths first, B might get the opportunity to take him out with Bijuu Dama + Melee attacks. Pain is forced to redirect the incoming BD w/ a regular S/T instead of using CST, and it goes downhill for him from there on out. During the cooldown he gets wrecked.

Though I'd say it depends on how long it takes for him to shut off his paths and initiate CST. If he can't do it before the BD gets near him, he loses. If he can, he wins.


But now that I think about it, Pain actually stands a pretty good chance of winning.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Then he'd curl up, take the blow, and finish Deva off during his cooldown.
If Pain can get it off, he can probably knock the Hachibi out, but considering he has to shut off his paths first, B might get the opportunity to take him out with Bijuu Dama + Melee attacks. Pain is forced to redirect the incoming BD w/ a regular S/T instead of using CST, and it goes downhill for him from there on out. During the cooldown he gets wrecked.

He's going to take the blow? He was already hit by his own Tbb and he resorted back to base him and his tails gets wrecked. Finish deva during his cool down? In the time it takes the Bijuudama explosion to were down 5secs will have already passed their is a difference between CST and FSST.

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).He won't use FSST until be is already on the ground so bold statement is moot!!! As i've stated above 5secs is more than enough time for him to ready for the next Bijuudama.​

Though I'd say it depends on how long it takes for him to shut off his paths and initiate CST. If he can't do it before the BD gets near him, he loses. If he can, he wins.


But now that I think about it, Pain actually stands a pretty good chance of winning.

Bee isn't tanked a focused ST BM or no he gets ruined.​

 

[KidGamer65]

He's going to take the blow? He was already hit by his own Tbb and he resorted back to base him and his tails gets wrecked. Finish deva during his cool down? In the time it takes the Bijuudama explosion to were down 5secs will have already passed their is a difference between CST and FSST. ​

That was a direct hit. If he curls up, he takes less damage to his main body. See Naruto vs. Juubi Laser for an example, and no. It doesn't take 5 seconds for it explode. Naruto charged FRS, tossed it, Deva dodged it, it exploded, and 5 sec. hadn't even passed yet.

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He won't use FSST until be is already on the ground so bold statement is moot!!! As i've stated above 5secs is more than enough time for him to ready for the next Bijuudama.

Already on the ground? Do you mean off the ground? But meh, I'll just agree with you here.

Bee isn't tanked a focused ST BM or no he gets ruined.​

If he gets it off, then yes, I agree.

 

[Zexion~]

Not a chance. Neither can even damage him let alone defeat him. Kisame has better speed feats than both, and V2 B outright blitz him. He'd do the same to these clowns, and Domu doesn't even have the feats to tank a V2 Lariat, so don't even say it. Nor is Gian piercing the V2 cloak, not when it's equal, Raikiri, failed to do so.

Wasn't raikiri slicing of cloaked limbs? Would threads still restrict a V2 Cloak? pretty sure it was shown that being acidic isn't always a thing. Kakuzu's attack speed >> Kisames so using threads against a charging V2 is viable.

Bruh...The V2 Lariat literally just busted some ribs? How do you think that's breaking Domu.... it couldn't even fully rip through a normal human body never mind Domu U_U Although doesn't he still use raiton chakra for that Lol? If so it still would work. Also ISWO makes sure that no blitzes are possible by placeing iron stakes in every direction while Kakuzu's jutsu can still be used U_U

If Raikiri was chopping of Jin limbs then I would say they can win.
Also Kakuzu is equally rated in speed with Kisame I believe, he just never really had to show it besides blitzing a ****ed up Asuma Lol

 

[KidGamer65]

Wasn't raikiri slicing of cloaked limbs? Would threads still restrict a V2 Cloak? pretty sure it was shown that being acidic isn't always a thing. Kakuzu's attack speed >> Kisames so using threads against a charging V2 is viable.

They were slicing off chakra arms. When he hit the main body, there was no damage.

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Lol, proof of the bold?

Bruh...The V2 Lariat literally just busted some ribs?

After being weakened by Samehada it tore off Kisame's chest. A direct hit would've obliterated him.

How do you think that's breaking Domu.... it couldn't even fully rip through a normal human body never mind Domu U_U Although doesn't he still use raiton chakra for that Lol? If so it still would work.

Read above.

Also ISWO makes sure that no blitzes are possible by placeing iron stakes in every direction while Kakuzu's jutsu can still be used U_U

Considering he'd have to not get blitzed to set this up....

Lol. It doesn't really matter.

If Raikiri was chopping of Jin limbs then I would say they can win.

Too bad it couldn't pierce the Jin's body.

Also Kakuzu is equally rated in speed with Kisame I believe, he just never really had to show it besides blitzing a ****ed up Asuma Lol

Databook speed is irrelevant when talking about reaction speed, cause reaction speed=/=movement speed. Kakuzu being equally rated with Kisame doesn't help much though considering B canonically blitzed him in V2.

 

[Zexion~]

They were slicing off chakra arms. When he hit the main body, there was no damage.

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Lol, proof of the bold?



After being weakened by Samehada it tore off Kisame's chest. A direct hit would've obliterated him.



Read above.


Considering he'd have to not get blitzed to set this up....

Lol. It doesn't really matter.


Too bad it couldn't pierce the Jin's body.



Databook speed is irrelevant when talking about reaction speed, cause reaction speed=/=movement speed. Kakuzu being equally rated with Kisame doesn't help much though considering B canonically blitzed him in V2.

Kakuzu caught Kakashi off guard multiple times with his attacks...Kisame never really caught anyone off guard, his main speed is his reaction/counter speed. Kakuzu's reactions are decent he was able to activate Domu in time for a Raikiri ambush... of course it was useless.
Also blocked a Semi/Full Bijuu attack Lol

But yeah there is no point if they can't damage the body of Bee. Unlesssssss could IS Conduct Gian enough to give it some added piercing power?

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This one? (Assuming they don't get blitzed I know)
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[KidGamer65]

Kakuzu caught Kakashi off guard multiple times with his attacks...​

So? Catching him off guard has little to do with speed, and more to do with surprise.

Kisame never really caught anyone off guard, his main speed is his reaction/counter speed.

Which is exactly what we're talking about here.

Kakuzu's reactions are decent he was able to activate Domu in time for a Raikiri ambush... of course it was useless.
Also blocked a Semi/Full Bijuu attack Lol

Which is nothing compared to what Kisame has done considering V1 B is faster than Kakashi and BM Yugito.

But yeah there is no point if they can't damage the body of Bee. Unlesssssss could IS Conduct Gian enough to give it some added piercing power?

Iron Sand conducting Gian isn't going to make Gian pierce more. At best he'll create something like Sasuke's Chidori Katana, which is weaker than Chidori, thus whatever comes out is weaker than Gian.

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[Brother Numpsay]

@KG, you still haven't answered my question.

And your Zex argument, seem so un reasonable too:

Neither can even damage him let alone defeat him.

Ill get to your conclusion later

Kisame has better speed feats than both, and V2 B outright blitz him.

Kisame has been fighting character that are comparable fighters to what Kakuzu has been facing, so I dont know what superior speed feats your suggesting here.

Yet alone we have witness Kisame choice to block and absorb the attack, so I fail to see why Kakzuzu couldnt do the same.

He'd do the same to these clowns, and Domu doesn't even have the feats to tank a V2 Lariat, so don't even say it.

Where do you think Lariat has the feats to do this to begin with? Are you asserting that Domu durability =< Samehada, therefore it do this amount of damage to Kakuzu? Because this is the best feat we have witness to make that assertion.

Nor is Gian piercing the V2 cloak, not when it's equal, Raikiri, failed to do so.

Base on the manga, Raiton because attack power at its best is Long range (DB and manga feats said so) as is Futon is the best in mid range(

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What we witness the first time Kakashi failing was low to mid range. And we know, base on how Chidori and Raikiri worked best, is running fast through a straight line and penetrate. And we know he didnt do that against V2's. So we can't conclude thats what Raikiri can do best here against V2 cloak.

We seen Kakashi doing it again (DB stated Raikiri using shape manipulation to create a rope) this time the damage wasn't the same the first time. And keep in mind that Raiton didn't even focus on penetrating but "cutting", which is the main point.

We can't conclude where Kakashi's raiton failed and ignored where it didn't. As their reasons for its failure and for its success.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KG, you still haven't answered my question.

And your Zex argument, seem so un reasonable too:

What question? I probably missed it.

Ill get to your conclusion later



Kisame has been fighting character that are comparable fighters to what Kakuzu has been facing, so I dont know what superior speed feats your suggesting here.

V1 B is not comparable to Early Part 2 Kakashi when it comes to speed. Not a chance in hell.

Yet alone we have witness Kisame choice to block and absorb the attack, so I fail to see why Kakzuzu couldnt do the same.

Kisame choosing to block the attack doesn't change the fact he couldn't react. He saw B prepping his attack, realized he couldn't absorb it all, but had to take it anyway since he couldn't do anything else about the attack.

Where do you think Lariat has the feats to do this to begin with? Are you asserting that Domu durability =< Samehada, therefore it do this amount of damage to Kakuzu? Because this is the best feat we have witness to make that assertion.

V1 Lariat did

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. V2 Lariat is many times stronger. So much stronger that even though Kisame had Samehada as a physical shield and a chakra absorber, the left over damage still did damage equal to what V1 Lariat did to Sasuke, and I'm pretty sure Kisame is more durable than Sasuke.

Domu's tanking feats are piss poor in comparison to the level of power B's lariat carries, but even then, B has Raiton and he has swords, so Domu isn't an issue one way or another.

Base on the manga, Raiton because attack power at its best is Long range (DB and manga feats said so) as is Futon is the best in mid range(

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No, Raiton's attack power is better for long range battles, and Fuuton's attack power is better for mid range battles. That doesn't mean that it's attack power gets better based on the range. Besides, where did this Raiton best at long range come from anyway?

What we witness the first time Kakashi failing was low to mid range.

Yes.

And we know, base on how Chidori and Raikiri worked best, is running fast through a straight line and penetrate. And we know he didnt do that against V2's. So we can't conclude thats what Raikiri can do best here against V2 cloak.

The fast running is only to land a hit on the target before they can properly react, not to mention Kakashi charged at them before he used Raikiri, so he did run beforehand, and then there's the fact that Gian equaled Raikiri even though Kakashi didn't make any thrusting motion, so that hurts your argument.

We seen Kakashi doing it again (DB stated Raikiri using shape manipulation to create a rope) this time the damage wasn't the same the first time. And keep in mind that Raiton didn't even focus on penetrating but "cutting", which is the main point.

Different type of target, different result. The fact he switched to cutting is only going to make it less effective, not more effective.

We can't conclude where Kakashi's raiton failed and ignored where it didn't. As their reasons for its failure and for its success.

We can ignore where it didn't because cutting chakra arms is not the same as cutting the main body. That's the sheer reason Kakashi failed to pierce the body but was able to cut the arms.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What question? I probably missed it.

You made a claim that Tobirama said he can teleport TBB away, while it's stationary. Therefore supported the assertion that Tobirama can only teleport a TBB when stationary.

I asked where he said that.

V1 B is not comparable to Early Part 2 Kakashi when it comes to speed. Not a chance in hell.

I didnt say that. Compare fighters that fought Kisame: Team Guy. If naturally, Kisame can deal with characters such as these as of Kakuzu, then Kakuzu would just have the same amount of difficulty when dealing with Bee's speed.

Kisame choosing to block the attack doesn't change the fact he couldn't react. He saw B prepping his attack, realized he couldn't absorb it all, but had to take it anyway since he couldn't do anything else about the attack.

Right because his first thought stated "I could do it" and in mid "No, I can't". Kisame already had himself prepared for defense. I see no reasoning of Kakuzu doing the same.

V1 Lariat did

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. V2 Lariat is many times stronger. So much stronger that even though Kisame had Samehada as a physical shield and a chakra absorber, the left over damage still did damage equal to what V1 Lariat did to Sasuke, and I'm pretty sure Kisame is more durable than Sasuke.

V1 had more momentum. Unless your implying that the damage V1 did to the cliff was the same amount of damage Sasuke took damage of.

So it really doesn't change the point.

Domu's tanking feats are piss poor in comparison to the level of power B's lariat carries, but even then, B has Raiton and he has swords, so Domu isn't an issue one way or another.

Domu feats, tanking Choji, 2 tail, explosive are much better then what bee did to Nagato and Kisame, if your going that route.

@Bold bares no point in what were talking about tho, thats for another discussion.

No, Raiton's attack power is better for long range battles, and Fuuton's attack power is better for mid range battles. That doesn't mean that it's attack power gets better based on the range. Besides, where did this Raiton best at long range come from anyway?

Databook:

Lightning
Easy to diffuse, it has good compatibility with medium to long range jutsu. Infused into a metallic weapon, it adds harming and killing efficiency, as well as electrocution...!!

Plus the fact that we witness this canonically of Chidori Raikiiri use. Or we can take Ay's statement stating he need to built more speed for more power against Madara. Or any melee attacking showing results of better momentum = better the attack result, such as V1 bee drop on the cliff, compare to the damage he did on Sasuke.

The fast running is only to land a hit on the target before they can properly react, not to mention Kakashi charged at them before he used Raikiri, so he did run beforehand, and then there's the fact that Gian equaled Raikiri even though Kakashi didn't make any thrusting motion, so that hurts your argument.

Why was his hand out if there was no motion, which he clearly gain off screen too?

Different type of target, different result. The fact he switched to cutting is only going to make it less effective, not more effective.

Raiton is best at penetrating then cutting so how is it not?

We can ignore where it didn't because cutting chakra arms is not the same as cutting the main body. That's the sheer reason Kakashi failed to pierce the body but was able to cut the arms.

V2 arms carries priorities to V2 body. Its basic shape manipulation. I wont suggest that Gian is going to but V2 in half, but it will definitely bolt/penetrate in to hurt bee.

 

[KidGamer65]

You made a claim that Tobirama said he can teleport TBB away, while it's stationary. Therefore supported the assertion that Tobirama can only teleport a TBB when stationary.

I asked where he said that.

Never said he did. Tobirama only said that he could warp the Juubidama away, and that's when it was stationary, meaning he can touch it without being hit by it. That doesn't equate to him grabbing a moving Bijuu Dama, coming at him, and warping it away.

I didnt say that. Compare fighters that fought Kisame: Team Guy. If naturally, Kisame can deal with characters such as these as of Kakuzu, then Kakuzu would just have the same amount of difficulty when dealing with Bee's speed.

Kisame fighting Team Gai doesn't equate to Kakuzu having the same amount of difficulty with B's speed when:

1. B is faster than anyone in Team Gai bar 6G Gai, and 6G Gai blitzed Kisame, and even then, V2 B is faster than 6G Gai.

2. Kisame>Kakuzu in reaction speed and such going by feats.

Right because his first thought stated "I could do it" and in mid "No, I can't". Kisame already had himself prepared for defense. I see no reasoning of Kakuzu doing the same.

There was no "I can't do it" thought while B was charging at him. Kisame was standing there, and realized that he can't absorb it, he never even began to imply that he could do it anyway, so I'm not sure where that came from. Then B charged at him. Kisame failed to react. All he could do was stand there and take the hit.

No reason to believe Kakuzu can react either, not when his speed feats are inferior.

V1 had more momentum. Unless your implying that the damage V1 did to the cliff was the same amount of damage Sasuke took damage of.

You do know that this only helps my point right? Lol. All this means is:

V2 Lariat at top speed>>>V1 Lariat at top speed>>>V1 Lariat not at top speed, which is still capable of tearing Sasuke's chest off.

So it really doesn't change the point.

It does, it tilts it in my favor even more.

Domu feats, tanking Choji, 2 tail, explosive are much better then what bee did to Nagato and Kisame, if your going that route.

Lol. Choji's Human Boulder attack has a pathetic crater in comparison to a V1 Lariat let alone a V2 Lariat. What happened against Nagato is irrelevant since Nagato absorbed his chakra, nullifying the attack.

@Bold bares no point in what were talking about tho, thats for another discussion.

Are we not arguing B vs. Sasori and Kakuzu?

Databook:

DB says nothing that disagrees with my post. Raiton being more useful at certain ranges doesn't mean it's power is magically going to increase when used at that range. Doesn't make any sense.

Plus the fact that we witness this canonically of Chidori Raikiiri use.

Not really.

Or we can take Ay's statement stating he need to built more speed for more power against Madara. Or any melee attacking showing results of better momentum = better the attack result, such as V1 bee drop on the cliff, compare to the damage he did on Sasuke.

Yes, better momentum=better attack, but does that prove that Raiton being used at different ranges is going to change it's power? No. Two points aren't even related.

Why was his hand out if there was no motion, which he clearly gain off screen too?

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Raiton is best at penetrating then cutting so how is it not?

Exactly what I just said. It gets less effective since he switched to cutting.

V2 arms carries priorities to V2 body. Its basic shape manipulation. I wont suggest that Gian is going to but V2 in half, but it will definitely bolt/penetrate in to hurt bee.

Sorry pal. Panels show that they are completely different when it comes to durability.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Never said he did. Tobirama only said that he could warp the Juubidama away, and that's when it was stationary, meaning he can touch it without being hit by it. That doesn't equate to him grabbing a moving Bijuu Dama, coming at him, and warping it away.

I can't agree with that assumption, when the whole solution could of been warping the whole tree if he needed to touch the bomb to warp one bomb. We witness Tobirama warp multiple people such as 2 Buijuu's +Cho Rasegan. I can't possibly interpret it that Tobirama was implying an unfinished attack can be warped away by it "being stationary".

Plus you dont think Tobirama can replicate what Minato did

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Kisame fighting Team Gai doesn't equate to Kakuzu having the same amount of difficulty with B's speed when:

1. B is faster than anyone in Team Gai bar 6G Gai, and 6G Gai blitzed Kisame, and even then, V2 B is faster than 6G Gai.

2. Kisame>Kakuzu in reaction speed and such going by feats.

Im aware of that. Kakashi is clearly at Guys level of speed, bar certain amount of gate. One can even argue Kakashi being around (Hebi/MS) Sasuke's speed and reaction category.

There was no "I can't do it" thought while B was charging at him. Kisame was standing there, and realized that he can't absorb it, he never even began to imply that he could do it anyway, so I'm not sure where that came from. Then B charged at him. Kisame failed to react. All he could do was stand there and take the hit.

No reason to believe Kakuzu can react either, not when his speed feats are inferior.

You took my point out of context. The "I can do it" and I can't do it" were talking about absorbing Bees chakra and stopping from doing further damage like last time[

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Kisame was ready for the incoming of the attack, for sure.

You do know that this only helps my point right? Lol. All this means is:

V2 Lariat at top speed>>>V1 Lariat at top speed>>>V1 Lariat not at top speed, which is still capable of tearing Sasuke's chest off.

Not really, you just proved pending on distance and momentum picked determines the power of the attack. So actually if you want to argue of Domu being broken you need evidence of the distance it will be to determine how much impact to make to break it.

Lol. Choji's Human Boulder attack has a pathetic crater in comparison to a V1 Lariat let alone a V2 Lariat. What happened against Nagato is irrelevant since Nagato absorbed his chakra, nullifying the attack.

Choji attack was also superior to the attack power V1 Lariat did to Sasuke.

Are we not arguing B vs. Sasori and Kakuzu?

No I stated im addressing your reasoning between your argument with Zex.

DB says nothing that disagrees with my post. Raiton being more useful at certain ranges doesn't mean it's power is magically going to increase when used at that range. Doesn't make any sense.

@Bold So then better momentum doesn't = better attack?

Yes, better momentum=better attack, but does that prove that Raiton being used at different ranges is going to change it's power? No. Two points aren't even related.

So then better momentum doesn't actually change the attack power?

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So close range Rairuki is no different then momentum Raikiri..

And look at Kakashi last panel: Do you seriously think he can penetrate like that, or have the same focus damage as a thrust?

Lets put Kakashi in the same position as Sasuke vs Ay. Can Kakashi breach Rikrki as much as Sasuke's Chodiri?

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Exactly what I just said. It gets less effective since he switched to cutting.

... So he switch to less effective power of Rikiri then a more effective power of Rikri.. therefore a less effective power of rikiri is more effective..?

Sorry pal. Panels show that they are completely different when it comes to durability.

Only if you base of close range Chidori being no different then more momentum Chidori.